NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD

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BarkingGhostar

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Sorry, I've been working remotely for 12 years and only recently, during the pandemic, found traffic light enough to get out and see the world.

Still, extra distance is a joke.
 

gill77

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Not clicking on that and no that is not the most logical explanation.
Free country. Limiting one's perspective seems to be a thing right now.

Knowing someone is wrong before you hear what they have to say is now the way of the world I guess.
 

K1052

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Free country. Limiting one's perspective seems to be a thing right now.

Knowing someone is wrong before you hear what they have to say is now the way of the world I guess.
Virus truthers are really going to be so much more annoying than 9/11 truthers.
 
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gill77

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Virus truthers are really going to be so much more annoying than 9/11 truthers.
Classic, let the name calling begin. You forgot blasphemer.

Those who subscribe to cancel culture are far worse than annoying, they are threat to the free exchange of ideas and constructive discourse.
 

ultimatebob

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Classic, let the name calling begin. You forgot blasphemer.

Those who subscribe to cancel culture are far worse than annoying, they are threat to the free exchange of ideas and constructive discourse.
Hey now, be careful. This is the non-political coronavirus thread.
 

ultimatebob

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The day after Trump said he would not wear a mask is when the people around me changed from saying they are ineffective to saying it is a plot by the liberals to bring down America. People are freaking loons.
You also have problems with old news stories like this popping up, telling you that wearing a mask was useless:


It's tougher to convince people to wear in a mask in July 2020 when the media was telling you NOT to wear them in February 2020.

(Also, I find it amusing now to watch a bunch of people sitting two feet from each other talking about Coronavirus. We really had no idea what in the hell we were doing early on, did we?)
 

local

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You also have problems with old news stories like this popping up, telling you that wearing a mask was useless:


It's tougher to convince people to wear in a mask in July 2020 when the media was telling you NOT to wear them in February 2020.

(Also, I find it amusing now to watch a bunch of people sitting two feet from each other talking about Coronavirus. We really had no idea what in the hell we were doing early on, did we?)
There is a reason some of us stocked up in Jan/Feb. The US is still doing far better than I thought we would though that is no excuse for the continued asshattery. I expected 500k deaths here by May and at this time everyone would be taking it EXTREMELY seriously.
 

local

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Just recieved the expected email from HR and the lawyers saying the new TX mask order does not apply to us since we are private and not open to the public, but they really recommend we wear one.
 

Kaido

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akouocoop

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Free country. Limiting one's perspective seems to be a thing right now.

Knowing someone is wrong before you hear what they have to say is now the way of the world I guess.
I did read it. His whole supposition is because it's more infectious than most viruses, and he hasn't seen the exact same features before in a different virus; that it obviously must have been made in a lab. Even though it's been a bit since he's worked on vaccines and is now chairman of a Wind Farm manufacturer. This despite the large number of coronaviruses that exist, and the noted mutations of them.
 

gill77

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I did read it. His whole supposition is because it's more infectious than most viruses, and he hasn't seen the exact same features before in a different virus; that it obviously must have been made in a lab. Even though it's been a bit since he's worked on vaccines and is now chairman of a Wind Farm manufacturer. This despite the large number of coronaviruses that exist, and the noted mutations of them.
I'm not a virologist like Sorensen, so I cannot really make the argument, but I don't think that "His whole supposition is because it's more infectious than most viruses" is a fair representation of the article.

“There are several factors that point towards this,” says Sørensen. “Firstly, this part of the virus is very stable; it mutates very little. That points to this virus as a fully developed, almost perfected virus for infecting humans.

“Secondly, this indicates that the structure of the virus cannot have evolved naturally. When we compare the novel coronavirus with the one that caused SARS, we see that there are altogether six inserts in this virus that stand out compared to other known SARS viruses,” he goes on explaining.

Sørensen says that several of these changes in the virus are unique, and that they do not exist in other known SARS coronaviruses.

“Four of these six changes have the property that they are suited to infect humans. This kind of aggregation of a type of property can be done simply in a laboratory, and helps to substantiate such an origin,” Sørensen points out.


He is not the only person who is on to this, nor would this be the first time a virus leaked out. Took a decade I believe before the truth came out.

We may never know with 100% certainty, but we will know much more with time.
 

akouocoop

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I'm not a virologist like Sorensen, so I cannot really make the argument, but I don't think that "His whole supposition is because it's more infectious than most viruses" is a fair representation of the article.

“There are several factors that point towards this,” says Sørensen. “Firstly, this part of the virus is very stable; it mutates very little. That points to this virus as a fully developed, almost perfected virus for infecting humans.

“Secondly, this indicates that the structure of the virus cannot have evolved naturally. When we compare the novel coronavirus with the one that caused SARS, we see that there are altogether six inserts in this virus that stand out compared to other known SARS viruses,” he goes on explaining.

Sørensen says that several of these changes in the virus are unique, and that they do not exist in other known SARS coronaviruses.

“Four of these six changes have the property that they are suited to infect humans. This kind of aggregation of a type of property can be done simply in a laboratory, and helps to substantiate such an origin,” Sørensen points out.


He is not the only person who is on to this, nor would this be the first time a virus leaked out. Took a decade I believe before the truth came out.

We may never know with 100% certainty, but we will know much more with time.
Yet, there is discussion of mutation of this HCV.
And again, 'several of these changes in the virus are unique, and that they do not exist in other known SARS coronaviruses.

“Four of these six changes have the property that they are suited to infect humans. This kind of aggregation of a type of property can be done simply in a laboratory, and helps to substantiate such an origin,” '


Because he hasn't seen them, they're 'constructed'. He appears to be looking for information to back up his hypothesis. Viruses often mutate to be more infectious, that's their reproductive path. To assume it's because it was engineered without proof is a bit foolish.
 

manly

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You also have problems with old news stories like this popping up, telling you that wearing a mask was useless:


It's tougher to convince people to wear in a mask in July 2020 when the media was telling you NOT to wear them in February 2020.

(Also, I find it amusing now to watch a bunch of people sitting two feet from each other talking about Coronavirus. We really had no idea what in the hell we were doing early on, did we?)
Meh, people don't vividly remember what TV personalities and reporters told them in January/February. What they do remember is how consistently POTUS has been anti-mask, and the crazy junk "theories" they choose to eat up on alt-right social media. But I guess that's your point, that the old misinformation never fades away on FB.

As an example, Dr. Fauci is sometimes slammed for saying way back on Jan. 21st that the novel coronavirus was not a "major threat" to the U.S. Obviously he's very wrong in that interview, but besides the right-wingers trying to malign him now, very few remember he said that or use that to base our current health policies. With a new virus/disease, the science and public health policy have certainly evolved over time.
 
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Turnaround on the the hydroxycloriquine stuff?


 

CZroe

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Turnaround on the the hydroxycloriquine stuff?


CNN too:
 

gill77

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If you have an open mind on this topic, Bret Weinstein makes a powerful case for the lab hypothesis. He is a PHD evolutionary biologist and a bat specialist among other accomplishments. I cannot do justice to the line of reasoning, but it goes pretty much like this:


The emergence of a bat coronavirus in a city with one of only two labs specifically studying this particular type of virus is a spectacularly striking coincidence that should make one at the very least be open to the possibility of lab origin.

The virologist community, whose interests are at stake, immediately pointed to the wet market and indicated that any other explanation has to be seen as a conspiracy theory. Unbiased scientists should be the first to follow the data rather than limit debate.

With time, the contract tracing proof of the wet market hypothesis fell apart. Even China no longer holds to that hypothesis. Further, the eating of bats is not really common in this part of China nor is this specific species of bat present in this part of China.

The virus "Hit the ground running". Typically, when a virus makes its jump to humans it takes some time to mutate into something that works well in humans.

Increasing evidence of genetic characteristics that indicate lab origin is being unearthed.


I don't have a dog in this fight, not a fan of conspiracy theories, nor do I see it as political in any way, but one of two things occurred. It either jumped species in one of several ways or it leaked from a lab which also could have occurred in various ways not necessarily sinister or conspiratorial. Probably better that we know, rather than just jumping to conclusions.
 
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akouocoop

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If you have an open mind on this topic, Bret Weinstein makes a powerful case for the lab hypothesis. He is a PHD evolutionary biologist and a bat specialist among other accomplishments. I cannot do justice to the line of reasoning, but it goes pretty much like this:


The emergence of a bat coronavirus in a city with one of only two labs specifically studying this particular type of virus is a spectacularly striking coincidence that should make one at the very least be open to the possibility of lab origin.

The virologist community, whose interests are at stake, immediately pointed to the wet market and indicated that any other explanation has to be seen as a conspiracy theory. Unbiased scientists should be the first to follow the data rather than limit debate.

With time, the contract tracing proof of the wet market hypothesis fell apart. Even China no longer holds to that hypothesis. Further, the eating of bats is not really common in this part of China nor is this specific species of bat present in this part of China.

The virus "Hit the ground running". Typically, when a virus makes its jump to humans it takes some time to mutate into something that works well in humans.

Increasing evidence of genetic characteristics that indicate lab origin is being unearthed.


I don't have a dog in this fight, not a fan of conspiracy theories, nor do I see it as political in any way, but one of two things occurred. It either jumped species in one of several ways or it leaked from a lab which also could have occurred in various ways not necessarily sinister or conspiratorial. Probably better that we know, rather than just jumping to conclusions.
Research is not based on 'feelings' or 'typicals'. It should be based on facts and proof. And when Mr Weinstein's first reached tweet is political and espouses several extreme political ideas within very few more, speaks to me he might have an agenda. Also, he quotes the same 'research' from Sorenson as proof.
 

K1052

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CNN too:
The study is observational and this is a series of major red flags that need to be considered:

Researchers not involved with the study were critical. They noted that the Henry Ford team did not randomly treat patients but selected them for various treatments based on certain criteria.

"As the Henry Ford Health System became more experienced in treating patients with COVID-19, survival may have improved, regardless of the use of specific therapies," Dr. Todd Lee of the Royal Victoria Hospital in Montreal, Canada, and colleagues wrote in a commentary in the same journal.

"Finally, concomitant steroid use in patients receiving hydroxychloroquine was more than double the non-treated group. This is relevant considering the recent RECOVERY trial that showed a mortality benefit with dexamethasone." The steroid dexamethasone can reduce inflammation in seriously ill patients.
The RECOVERY trial was controlled and the Brits found no benefit from hyrdoxychloroquine and dropped the drug. I'm more inclined to think their conclusions to be accurate as opposed to this. The hydroxy believers in certain circiles are going nuts over this though.
 

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