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Red Dawn said:
Yes and every Union Member is a thug:\
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I don't think anyone claimed that.

But there is certainly a problem with union violence and it is very under reported.

The unions are in trouble and they are getting desperate. Just look at the story I posted the other day where one union had to lay off 40% of its employees due to the Wis. union law.
http://www.kare11.com/news/article/934296/14/Wisconsin-teachers-union-announces-layoffs


It is all about power and the unions are losing theirs and they will do anything to keep it since power is their life line. Their jobs and livelihood is on the line here. Pushing a few people around is no big deal to them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Oh9yeNvUrI&feature=related
Watch the goon start edging close to the 'little' guy. And this is after the union goon and his friends hit the guy with the camera a few times. And all these guys were doing is trying to video tape the union rally...
 
sounds shady... no proof though.... why don't unions take the hint and modify their structure/policies if it's not working for them? well, and i'm sure the union itself is doing fine, but the employees that is, they need union representation to protect them from teh union!
 
ProfJohn said:
I don't think anyone claimed that.

But there is certainly a problem with union violence and it is very under reported.

The unions are in trouble and they are getting desperate. Just look at the story I posted the other day where one union had to lay off 40% of its employees due to the Wis. union law.
http://www.kare11.com/news/article/934296/14/Wisconsin-teachers-union-announces-layoffs


It is all about power and the unions are losing theirs and they will do anything to keep it since power is their life line. Their jobs and livelihood is on the line here. Pushing a few people around is no big deal to them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Oh9yeNvUrI&feature=related
Watch the goon start edging close to the 'little' guy. And this is after the union goon and his friends hit the guy with the camera a few times. And all these guys were doing is trying to video tape the union rally...
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Wow that reminds me of Bachmans staff at the fair
 
What the Right has over the left is the ability to get normally reasonable people to vote against their own best interest. Now they are going after the American Worker. ProJo, Spidey and the rest of the kooks here are good little soldiers for Big Business.
 
Here is the charge:
HomerJS said:
We do know Scott Walker had plans to plant troublemakers among union people
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And for proof you offer an illegally taped phone call?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3a2pYGr7-k&feature=player_embedded#at=266
Listen to the tape and he doesn't like the idea of 'trouble makers'
Walker: You know, well, the only problem with that —because we thought about that. The problem—the, my only gut reaction to that is right now the lawmakers I’ve talked to have just completely had it with them, the public is not really fond of this…[explains that planting troublemakers may not work.] My only fear would be if there’s a ruckus caused is that maybe the governor has to settle to solve all these problems…[something about '60s liberals.]…Let ‘em protest all they want…Sooner or later the media stops finding it interesting.
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1. We 'thought about that' is a long ways from "plans"
2. He says at the end "Let 'em protest all the way want"

Not sure that does anything to help your side with whatever argument you are trying to make.

Guy calls up pretending to be someone he isn't. Tries to goad the governor into saying something bad and the best he gets "we thought about that"

If we did the same thing with the union leaders what do you think we'd get?
I already have quotes of union leaders talking about using violence. If they talk about that in public imagine why they say in private.
 
Red Dawn said:
What the Right has over the left is the ability to get normally reasonable people to vote against their own best interest. Now they are going after the American Worker. ProJo, Spidey and the rest of the kooks here are good little soldiers for Big Business.
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While they may be good little soldiers of big business, the point they are trying to make is that big labor is also out only for itself.
 
momeNt said:
While they may be good little soldiers of big business, the point they are trying to make is that big labor is also out only for itself.
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Big Labor is the workers so by looking out for themselves they are looking out for the members.

Look it wasn't the Labor Unions that got us in this economic mess, it was those who Spidey, ProJo's and the rest of the Republicans take their marching orders from, Big Conglomerates and the Banks on Wall Street.
 
Red Dawn said:
Big Labor is the workers so by looking out for themselves they are looking out for the members.

Look it wasn't the Labor Unions that got us in this economic mess, it was those who Spidey, ProJo's and the rest of the Republicans take their marching orders from, Big Conglomerates and the Banks on Wall Street.
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Why did GM and Chrysler go broke?

What happened to all the steel companies?

What is interesting is that when unions want to help out they can and do, but when they don't they tend to destroy everything.

Read up on what is going on in Wisconsin about the millions of dollars and jobs being saved thanks to just a few changes in unions rules and things like making union members pay for part of their healthcare and retirement (like almost everyone else in the country)
 
ProfJohn said:
Why did GM and Chrysler go broke?

What happened to all the steel companies?

What is interesting is that when unions want to help out they can and do, but when they don't they tend to destroy everything.

Read up on what is going on in Wisconsin about the millions of dollars and jobs being saved thanks to just a few changes in unions rules and things like making union members pay for part of their healthcare and retirement (like almost everyone else in the country)
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Shitty cars.

Tariffs.
 
Red Dawn said:
Poor designs and the cost of bailing them out was but a small pittance of the cost of bailing out your Masters.
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Not really... (depending on who you think my 'masters' are)

Tarp: $19 billion
http://www.housingwire.com/2011/03/30/cbo-drops-estimate-of-tarp-cost-to-19-billion

Auto bailout: $14 billion
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303745304576359530678869402.html

We don't even want to talk about the cost of the housing bailout. Plus there is enough blame for everyone on that front.

But overall bailing out two companies cost almost as much as bailing out the entire financial sector.

And let's be honest, both of those costs are cheap compared to the stimulus. We can bailout GM & Chrysler once a year for the next 50 years for what the stimulus cost.
 
spacejamz said:
you can have shitty designs and shitty quality...

The shitty quality can be attributed to lazy union workers who had no incentive to work hard or efficiently because they knew that they couldn't be fired (because of the union)...
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I believe the same union represents workers at Honda/Toyota plants here in the US as well. There goes your "union caused it" argument.
 
Pens1566 said:
Shitty cars.
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And yet GM was the largest automotive company in the world when it went broke.

No doubt poorly made cars explain their shrinking market share, but they were still selling more than anyone else in the world and they couldn't make a profit.

Perhaps things like the job bank where they had to pay people to not work hurt their ability to make ends meet?

Perhaps the $2000 per car legacy costs that they had to swallow thanks to years of generous union contracts?

Perhaps the $75 per hour labor cost they faced compared to the $40-45 cost paid by non-union car makers? Even entry level employees cost $30 an hour. And let's not forget that most of these jobs are no or low skill jobs. These aren't highly educated highly trained employees. They are mostly high school grads who are related to someone else in the union who helped get them the job.

http://www.bendbulletin.com/article/20110715/NEWS0107/107150387/
Read that awesome story about how union concessions is allowing GM to make small cars in the US again.
"The radically revamped factory here operates with fewer and cheaper workers, many of whom are paid $14 an hour rather than the full UAW wage of $28 an hour."
 
ProfJohn said:
Not really... (depending on who you think my 'masters' are)

Tarp: $19 billion
http://www.housingwire.com/2011/03/30/cbo-drops-estimate-of-tarp-cost-to-19-billion

Auto bailout: $14 billion
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303745304576359530678869402.html

We don't even want to talk about the cost of the housing bailout. Plus there is enough blame for everyone on that front.

But overall bailing out two companies cost almost as much as bailing out the entire financial sector.

And let's be honest, both of those costs are cheap compared to the stimulus. We can bailout GM & Chrysler once a year for the next 50 years for what the stimulus cost.
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The Stimulus wasn't even close to being enough as nobody realized how much Wall Street fucked us over
 
Dude...

the stimulus saved 2-3 million jobs at the cost of $666+ billion.

We lost 8 million jobs.

So we would have needed another $1 trillion to offset the all the jobs lost. Just not going to happen.

Plus you forget that government stimulus is only a temporary bandaid and once the spending is gone the jobs go with it.

Plus it would have been cheaper just to pay everyone to sit at home.
There are 13 million unemployed in the country. Weekly median wages in the country are $756.

With $700 billion we could pay every unemployed person in the country $756 a week for 71 weeks!

Or we could pay them half that amount for nearly 3 years...
 
Red Dawn said:
The Stimulus wasn't even close to being enough as nobody realized how much Wall Street fucked us over
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Wall street stimulus either shouldn't have happened or needs to be infinite. The auto bailout was at least an investment. QE is just a black hole of failed keynesian logic.
 
Clearly Republican anti-union fanatics are staging attemped murders in the name of unions to discredit them. It was probably spidey or maybe PJ.
 
Reading more about this guy and company he's really taking off and the largest non-union shop in the area. No wonder they are going after him - he took der jobs!
 
I'm pretty sure that an Employer can't technically be a Scab. If it was a Union member involved in this, it wasn't a very bright one.
 
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