Non Titan 6GB GK110 cards coming - GTX 780 6GB: 549.99$, GTX 780ti 749.99$

[KaRLiToS]

When you run out of Vram you see stutter and often significantly reduced performance. More Vram doesn't gain you performance per se, instead it allows you to use more graphical assets and higher resolutions before you run into those issues.

When you start enhancing your games with features like SSAA, Transparency AA, HBAO, or mods, you really start to chew through it. I can hit 3GB on a single display quite easily.

Thanks, I know all that.

 

[omeds]

Then I don't understand the problem. Plenty of people out there could use more than 3GB.

 

[KaRLiToS]

This will end up like this http://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Video-Card-Performance-2GB-vs-4GB-Memory-154/

 

[Shmee]

Ya I was thinking of baasha when I wrote that. Obviously his is one example of the extreme which requires insane GPU power and memory.

 

[sxr7171]

If someone gets the 6GB 780ti please test BF4 and let us know the maximum resolution scaling you can get 60fps. For me on 3GB I can do 140%.

Also please test NFS Rivals I can do 150% with 60fps command. I want to know if I am VRAM limited or just GPU power limited.

 

[lavaheadache]

If someone gets the 6GB 780ti please test BF4 and let us know the maximum resolution scaling you can get 60fps. For me on 3GB I can do 140%.

Also please test NFS Rivals I can do 150% with 60fps command. I want to know if I am VRAM limited or just GPU power limited.

Without posting a resolution your info or our info is pointless. I assume you are talking 1920x1080 because it seems as though that's what everbody assumes people run for a res.


Just to touch on my previous post about these being the cards that should have been released first.

Nvidia seems to be a master of marketing and getting people to buy their products. The trouble is that there is such a thing as being too good at something. Like me, there are plenty of people that want and "need" the latest and greatest. We are willing to spend the premium to get it too.

I can't help but feel milked but this latest tactic they've employed. Sure, I have nobody to blame except myself but that doesn't change my feelings. There is nothing special about this card other than double the ram capacity. Why wasn't this possible nearly a year ago with the original 780? Heck, why did we even get the Titan first? Why were AIB's locked out of releasing aftermarket cards with higher ram capacities (speculation possibly but I thought I read that somewhere).

All rhetorical questions, obviously. This was a generation of what 4 highend gk 110's ? Each one getting closer to the real deal.

Screw that, I'm not following the carrot anymore. I have to be earned as a customer. I could understand if it was Titan, then Ti 6gb or 780, then Ti 6gb. Maybe they could have actually done the logical thing and called the 780 a 770 since pretty much every GeForce product family has followed a certain path. What's in a name? Trust, I guess.
-one peeved customer....

 

[realibrad]

So I am a bit confused. I thought that thinks like MSAA impacted more than just VRAM usage. So even if you had 6GB of Vram, running MSAA would slow down the card due to the processing. That would in turn mean there is a balance where the GPU would need to be able to process the game, on top of MSAA. Its why a single7970 with 6+GB of VRAM would be pointless if you were trying to run say Crysis at 4k.

Now, if you had multiple cards working in CF/SLI, in theory you could get an advantage, but I personally have never see it happen with cards above 3 GB.

Does someone have an example where a 6GB card outperformed the same card sub 6GB? I know some games with mods will fill up VRAM if its there, but that is do to the coding of the mod, and not the inherent game.

 

[lavaheadache]

So I am a bit confused. I thought that thinks like MSAA impacted more than just VRAM usage. So even if you had 6GB of Vram, running MSAA would slow down the card due to the processing. That would in turn mean there is a balance where the GPU would need to be able to process the game, on top of MSAA. Its why a single7970 with 6+GB of VRAM would be pointless if you were trying to run say Crysis at 4k.

Now, if you had multiple cards working in CF/SLI, in theory you could get an advantage, but I personally have never see it happen with cards above 3 GB.

Does someone have an example where a 6GB card outperformed the same card sub 6GB? I know some games with mods will fill up VRAM if its there, but that is do to the coding of the mod, and not the inherent game.

I can't run Skyrim with mods @ 4k with AA on my 780 ti. I can but there is a lot of hitching going on. With my 290x I can. I see 3600 or so gb of vram usuage.

Also in BF 4 I was limited to 2xAA @4k with horsepower to spare using 780 ti sli.

It goes without saying that most users aren't benefitting from the extra vram but there are definitely users on this forum that push that envelope.

 

[realibrad]

I can't run Skyrim with mods @ 4k with AA on my 780 ti. I can but there is a lot of hitching going on. With my 290x I can. I see 3600 or so gb of vram usuage.

Also in BF 4 I was limited to 2xAA @4k with horsepower to spare using 780 ti sli.

It goes without saying that most users aren't benefitting from the extra vram but there are definitely users on this forum that push that envelope.

2 things though.

1. are the mods necessarily taking all that ram, or is it bad coding? I know its kinda ambiguous because it gets into the idea that you can always code more efficiently.

2. were you limited to 2xAA because of vram side, or speed of card? the extra processing could be the limiting factor, or it could be file swapping.

I know 4k is 4x 1080, but I didnt realize we had hit that threshold of VRAM yet. If we have then wow, time flies.

 

[moonbogg]

People who get pissed about Nvidia milking Kepler simply can't afford to buy these cards at will whenever they want. That's the only reason. If you can really afford it then you don't care, I promise. Other times people like their purchases to make sense even if they can afford to buy more. Just because they can buy more doesn't mean they should.
I cannot afford it and I saw what Nvidia was doing the instant they announced GTX 680 as being GK104 based and I refused to pay $500 for it, so I got 670's instead and will remain with them until a reasonable Maxwell variant is released. I was even uncomfortable with 670's at $400 because I knew it was mid range.
When you go to Starbucks, what are your thoughts if you overhear someone scoff at the price of a premium coffee drink? "Screw that. I can get a regular coffee for 50 cents"! You know that they complain because they can't afford the expensive stuff, and they have the sense to not buy it. Us video card idiots are a different breed. We buy them even though we can't afford them, myself included. My behavior has changed in recent years, but my idiot stamp hasn't fully faded from my forehead as of yet. Nvidia really raped the enthusiast this round unlike any other in history that I can recall. Don't let it happen again and don't buy these cards if you are uncomfortable with the principle of it. We do it to ourselves.

 

[KaRLiToS]

I can't run Skyrim with mods @ 4k with AA on my 780 ti. I can but there is a lot of hitching going on. With my 290x I can. I see 3600 or so gb of vram usuage.

Also in BF 4 I was limited to 2xAA @4k with horsepower to spare using 780 ti sli.

It goes without saying that most users aren't benefitting from the extra vram but there are definitely users on this forum that push that envelope.

You cannot compare Kepler and Hawaii.
The 290x is 512bit bus while the GTX Titan or GTx 780ti is 384bit bus.
I just can't wait to see how a GTX 780ti 3GB will be versus a GTX 780ti 6GB

 

[moonbogg]

I can't run Skyrim with mods @ 4k with AA on my 780 ti. I can but there is a lot of hitching going on. With my 290x I can. I see 3600 or so gb of vram usuage.

Also in BF 4 I was limited to 2xAA @4k with horsepower to spare using 780 ti sli.

It goes without saying that most users aren't benefitting from the extra vram but there are definitely users on this forum that push that envelope.

Shhh. Stop speaking truth. You might confuse people.
These cards would traditionally have been released with more Vram, but these new cards are a milking tactic. People think Nvidia didn't know that 3gb wasn't enough? LAWL.

 

[toyota]

You cannot compare Kepler and Hawaii.
The 290x is 512bit bus while the GTX Titan or GTx 780ti is 384bit bus.
I just can't wait to see how a GTX 780ti 3GB will be versus a GTX 780ti 6GB

and as I have told you OVER AND OVER, these cards are primarily for people that will run sli, tri sli or quad sli at really high resolutions where 3gb is not always enough at the settings they can handle. you clearly cannot comprehend that simple concept.

 

[KaRLiToS]

and as I have told you OVER AND OVER, these cards are primarily for people that will run sli, tri sli or quad sli at really high resolutions where 3gb is not always enough at the settings they can handle. you clearly cannot comprehend that simple concept.

Its not that I don't understand the concept, you are the one not understanding my point. I'll stop debating and wait for the benchies to release and come back here.

 

[realibrad]

I think what Karlitos is saying is that in theory higher Vram is useful, but in practice its very rarely true.

 

[KaRLiToS]

I think what Karlitos is saying is that in theory higher Vram is useful, but in practice its very rarely true.

Exactly mate. We need something else than Hawaii or Kepler (Gk-110) to manage more than 4GB of RAM.

 

[Face2Face]

Remember this old thread.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2314240

Good times ()

 

[UaVaj]

nvm. face2face beat me to it.

 

[toyota]

I think what Karlitos is saying is that in theory higher Vram is useful, but in practice its very rarely true.

it does not take a genius to figure out that at 4k and higher that settings a 780 sli/tri sli/quad sli setup can run will exceed 3gb in some games. at just 3200x1800 I will hitch in Thief because my vram is completely maxed out.

 

[realibrad]

Remember this old thread.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2314240

Good times ()

I think that proves the point though. with 4 titans, the card was bogged down by processing to 40 avg. Yes, it used all the Vram, but the FPS were dropping quit a bit just doing the processing. You have to try to reach the limits of the vram, and before you do, you run into processing issues.

If the stored data is feeding the processor faster than the processor can process, then what is the point of all the vram. True, the game will buffer all that data, but it cant do anything with it fast enough.

I would be like me buying 20 pizzas to buffer my eating, but before I could eat all those pizzas, they would start to go bad. I could not eat the pizzas fast enough, do to my limited human body.

god, im hungry.

 

[Face2Face]

I think that proves the point though. with 4 titans, the card was bogged down by processing to 40 avg. Yes, it used all the Vram, but the FPS were dropping quit a bit just doing the processing. You have to try to reach the limits of the vram, and before you do, you run into processing issues.

If the stored data is feeding the processor faster than the processor can process, then what is the point of all the vram. True, the game will buffer all that data, but it cant do anything with it fast enough.

I would be like me buying 20 pizzas to buffer my eating, but before I could eat all those pizzas, they would start to go bad. I could not eat the pizzas fast enough, do to my limited human body.

god, im hungry.

Dude.. you're making me hungry. Agreed that 40FPS is not exactly a smooth experience, but what if he dialed it down to say 2XMSAA? His frames would jump up to around 60fps and he would still be using over 3GB of video memory, which would make buying a card with a large memory buffer worth it. Like Toyota said, it really only makes sense when you are running multiple cards at very high resolutions or games like modded Skyrim on Lava's setup.

 

[moonbogg]

I think that old thread proves that 6g of Vram is actually kind of stupid...or is it!? I personally think 4gb is perfect right now...or is it!?

 

[toyota]

I think that old thread proves that 6g of Vram is actually kind of stupid...or is it!? I personally think 4gb is perfect right now...or is it!?

the point is that 3gb is not always going to be enough for ultra high end setups and the next option after that on a 384 bit bus is of course 6gb. you should know that 4gb is not going to be an option with a 384 bits bus as they are not going to use mixed memory on high end gpu.

 

[moonbogg]

the point is that 3gb is not always going to be enough for ultra high end setups and the next option after that on a 384 bit bus is of course 6gb. you should know that 4gb is not going to be an option with a 384 bits bus as they are not going to use mixed memory on high end gpu.

Actually, I know no such thing and truly can't be bothered to care. I see card performance and Vram quantity. 2gb is so yesterday. 3gb is bad. 4gb is good. 6gb is stupid. 8gb is the stuff clown shoes are made of. I'm shooting my old iphone this weekend. Wanna see the video?

 

[toyota]

Actually, I know no such thing and truly can't be bothered to care. I see card performance and Vram quantity. 2gb is so yesterday. 3gb is bad. 4gb is good. 6gb is stupid. 8gb is the stuff clown shoes are made of. I'm shooting my old iphone this weekend. Wanna see the video?

if that is the extent of your knowledge and concern then your opinion on the matter is almost worthless.