Non lagging wireless mouse?

[dorky82]

Currently using Microsoft desktop laser 6000 v2.
The lag is not too bad but still there are some lag.
I've also used 710lx but it was lagging really bad.
What are some non lagging wireless mouse?

Will mx revolution lag? I see them for only $50 online sites.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Almost every wireless mouse is going to have lag, and a large part of it has to do with a decreased polling rate specifically incorporated to save battery life. The default polling rate for most all USB ports/devices is 125Hz (8ms) while the average wireless mouse is actually somewhere around 70-90Hz. The typical gaming grade mouse - including wireless - will be 500Hz (2ms) or even 1000Hz (1ms).

I only know of 3 wireless mice that can run 500Hz or faster; the Logitech G7 and Microsoft Sidewinder X8 each can do 500Hz while only Razer's Mamba can do 1000Hz. Of course this comes at a cost of battery life - each will eat through their battery packs fast enough to require daily recharging without forgetting. The G7 gets around this by supplying two battery packs to hot swap when one runs out. The X8's solution is having a cord system where you can plug the mouse in to charge the battery and still use the mouse at the same time (the cord only provides power to charge the battery, the mouse is still communicating wirelessly). The Mamba solves it by being a true wireless/wired hybrid - plugging in its cord will provide power and data communication.

That being said, the G7 is starting to show its age (inferior sensor and feature set), leaving the best choices between the X8 and Mamba, and considering the price you threw out there I'm going to assume the Mamba is priced well out of the question, leaving the X8 as the most likely best option if you can add a bit to that $50.

 

[CurseTheSky]

I used a G7 before I bought my G9. It was a great mouse, but the lack of a second thumb button is what finally made me switch. As mentioned above, it also ate through the batteries very quickly (sometimes the second pack was just finishing charging by the time the first was dead - not a huge deal, but not ideal either).

 

[servicesoon]

I'm looking for a mouse too. I read there are a lot of freezing problems with the G7. The MX revolution poll rate is 125 hz.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: servicesoon
I'm looking for a mouse too. I read there are a lot of freezing problems with the G7. The MX revolution poll rate is 125 hz.

http://www.extremetech.com/art.../0,2845,2252553,00.asp

Unless something was wrong here, they topped out at 90Hz with their MX Rev.

If the OP can detect lag on the two wireless models he has, the MX Rev won't be any better.

 

[heymrdj]

I still have not seen this mysterious lag on wireless mice. I can still frag the hadies out of people on UT2004 and Joint Operations with just about any wireless mouse except my gf's shitty microsoft infrared mouse.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: heymrdj
I still have not seen this mysterious lag on wireless mice. I can still frag the hadies out of people on UT2004 and Joint Operations with just about any wireless mouse except my gf's shitty microsoft infrared mouse.

your senses simply aren't as acute as others

don't get too down on yourself though, you're obviously brimming with abundant skill despite a lack of perception

 

[heymrdj]

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles

Originally posted by: heymrdj
I still have not seen this mysterious lag on wireless mice. I can still frag the hadies out of people on UT2004 and Joint Operations with just about any wireless mouse except my gf's shitty microsoft infrared mouse.

your senses simply aren't as acute as others

don't get too down on yourself though, you're obviously brimming with abundant skill despite a lack of perception

All I'm saying is you can't twitch at 8ms, the body can hardly detect something at 32ms, let alone process an entire muscular movement at a difference of 6ms.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: servicesoon
I'm looking for a mouse too. I read there are a lot of freezing problems with the G7. The MX revolution poll rate is 125 hz.

Never had a problem with my G7. Still using it with a G9 still unopened.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: heymrdj
All I'm saying is you can't twitch at 8ms, the body can hardly detect something at 32ms, let alone process an entire muscular movement at a difference of 6ms.

And all we're saying is that we can actually see/feel the difference, you can keep spouting off random "facts" and "statistics" about what should or shouldn't be physically possible, the truth is we can tell the difference.

 

[heymrdj]

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles

Originally posted by: heymrdj
All I'm saying is you can't twitch at 8ms, the body can hardly detect something at 32ms, let alone process an entire muscular movement at a difference of 6ms.

And all we're saying is that we can actually see/feel the difference, you can keep spouting off random "facts" and "statistics" about what should or shouldn't be physically possible, the truth is we can tell the difference.

http://www.madsci.org/posts/ar...1/1006763147.Ns.r.html

From a Kodak employed Nueroscientist

"So why do we perceive continuous motion when a rapid sequence of stills is
projected? Well I think it is indeed to do with the natural frequency with
which our brains and eyes combine to refresh our perception of the data
coming from the eye. Cinematography soon understood that a frequency of
50Hz was about right to completely eliminate flicker ? this means that our
eye/brain combination refreshes no faster than this ? every 1/50th of a
second."

I'm not spouting random facts, you're just feeling the effects like a guy feels a butt dino effect after just installing exhaust or cold air intake.

But anyways, go on and continue your thread looking for mice that are built off marketing ploy. Seeing as I studied marketing, I can see you hopelessly fell right into it. Enjoy it 🙂

 

[bunnyfubbles]

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3601

read up on something that involves the bigger picture, maybe you'll start to understand

also, if you have a wired mouse, try this http://sweetlow.at.tut.by/download/hidusbf.zip

I can actually see a difference when underclocking the polling rate to 62, and its painfully obvious at 31. Of course this brings us to another issue here that isn't exactly the same as input lag but does involve "lag" as a general concept - when the computer is only accepting ~62 transmissions per second as opposed to 1000 or 500, the accuracy of the translation is greatly reduced, a long and sweeping arc of movement will most likely be far "laggier"

And this doesn't even begin to consider transmission issues or other factors (such as poor performing laser sensors) that make most wireless mice terrible for gaming in general, although the main issue here has always been lag.

 

[dekz]

your theory is wrong, its not about twitching, its about feedback, i bet the human body can feel less than 1ms between movement of the hand through a projected image on a screen with a mouse. you can sense it, first of all the response, second of all the tracking ability and how smooth it is. it has nothing to do with how many frames per second your eyes can catch, its not even close to how media is being stored, the human body is organic and it fetches and has way more inputs and senses than a pictures on a roll playing back on a screen. people at kodak....

All I'm saying is you can't twitch at 8ms, the body can hardly detect something at 32ms, let alone process an entire muscular movement at a difference of 6ms.

 

[MJinZ]

Yea... the best wireless mouse is probably that Razer one but there is a very pronounced difference between performance wireless mice and any old wired one.

 

[Ben90]

http://www.madsci.org/posts/ar...1/1006763147.Ns.r.html

From a Kodak employed Nueroscientist

"So why do we perceive continuous motion when a rapid sequence of stills is
projected? Well I think it is indeed to do with the natural frequency with
which our brains and eyes combine to refresh our perception of the data
coming from the eye. Cinematography soon understood that a frequency of
50Hz was about right to completely eliminate flicker ? this means that our
eye/brain combination refreshes no faster than this ? every 1/50th of a
second."

I'm not spouting random facts, you're just feeling the effects like a guy feels a butt dino effect after just installing exhaust or cold air intake.

But anyways, go on and continue your thread looking for mice that are built off marketing ploy. Seeing as I studied marketing, I can see you hopelessly fell right into it. Enjoy it 🙂

And that Kodak person is a complete dumbass. Our eyes don't operate by the traditional Frames Per Second. They operate by Fhotons Per Second (Yes I know its spelled Photon.) If a supernova explodes in front of your eye for 1/1000000000000th of a second, your going to see it.

When turning the mouse really fast I can see quite clearly the edges of each individual frame on my 120hz monitor.

 

[0roo0roo]

dead thread comes back?
lol
the effect of high refresh mouse is the same as 30 vs 60fps
you can get by on 30 ish esp if it doesn't dip below, but for total control with fast movement, it just feels so much smoother] at 60+, you just feel more in control, more sure of being able to just spin and still aim. you aren't getting anywhere near 500 or 1000hz on any wireless mouse.

 

[corkyg]

dead thread comes back?
lol

Yeah - resurrecting a 6 month old thread tells me that some folks don't have enough to do. 🙂

 

[dekz]

yea lol, i just read it and those people who start to make comparisons to media and the human perception like this one... Cinematography soon understood that a frequency of
50Hz was about right to completely eliminate flicker.. TOTAL BS, if the guy had any clue at all he would know that the standard was set and is a mathematical rule on the power that the electronics are being fed. its how electronics work and how they made it work, the standards that were set wich were worked out by people like tesla, bell, edison and those chaps all worked by using rules, mathematical rules, it wasnt set up to what the eyes of the humans percieve, its set by rules. crap. people basically have no school or education and comes up with theories about anything... cinematography doesnt work under "50hz" either. and wtf has cinematopgraphy got to do with it anyways? mostly film runs in the cinema, and film runs just under 24 frames per second. doesnt mean the "projector" runs on that frequency either. geez.

 

[0roo0roo]

well cinematography is different, there is no direct feed back/reaction/control bit. its passive so it doesn't matter, film can get away with murder on that, hell with quick cuts you can't tell whats going on half the time, its all part of the film editing bag of tricks. control is only partially conscious and i bet your brain notices that your mouse movement is only vaguely related to what you see on screen, and the worse the jumpiness, the more unsure your feel even if its subtle. silky smooth is just a different level of control.

 

[SOSTrooper]

Well I'm in the market for a wireless mouse that will be used for some light gaming on my HTPC. I got the Logitech Anywhere MX and I should receive it tomorrow or Wednesday. I'll report back how it does and how it performs in gaming environment (first person shooters mostly) at 10 ft away (coffee table distance). I'm currently using G5 on my main rig.

 

[dekz]

holy mother of jesus mother jesus maria mother christ! 55.000 posts? r u joking man?

 

[dekz]

i think he meant the way film is captured, but anyways, the equipment being used for cinematography has independent settings on what the actual reel will be closed down with to be projected in the cinema.

and i think actually the new mices are ok with casual gamers, any "pro" or a guy who has any clue about electronics know that there will be some sacrifices in going wireless, and i dont think he will count on it when it matters, i wouldnt, just plug in a wired mouse and be safe. even if the box says, uber elite mouse. or wtf it says.

dont expect it to be better, basically all electronics are the same, if it can even live a little up to the old solid tech that were built in the past when having all these new features, then you should be happy with that it is so conveniently nice