Non-Borrowed Reserves - How Insolvent are US Banks ?

wwswimming

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http://research.stlouisfed.org...GNONBR_Max_630_378.png

most recent curve - non borrowed reserves are -$120 billion.

in other words, in order to meet reserve requirements, the banks are borrowing
more - and more - and more money.

if you look at the picture, it communicates the "going off a cliff" quality of the US economy. the curve has had about the same shape for 6 months. first non-borrowed reserves were -$10 billion, then -$20 billion.

then i didn't check it for a few months.

i check it over the weekend. -$120 billion.

the acronym is "BOGNONBR" - Board of Governors Non Borrowed Reserves.

these are historical times & we all got a seat on the 50 yard line.
 

Thump553

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Only the government would label something negative non-borrowed reserves. My head hurts just trying to figure out what they mean-I assume it is borrowed reserves? Is that an oxymoron?
 

Mani

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Clearly someone didn't get the memo. According to McCain, the fundamentals of the economy are strong.
 

jpeyton

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Originally posted by: Mani
Clearly someone didn't get the memo. According to McCain, the fundamentals of the economy are strong.
Actually Merriam-Webster and the Oxford University Press didn't get the memo, because John McCain redefined what "fundamentals" meant on September 15th, 2008, forever making his imprint on the English language.
 

MadRat

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If these companies are public trusts its time for the government to go on a firing spree and let somebody accountable take their jobs. And these asshats causing the troubles need to be blacklisted from public companies forever.
 

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Originally posted by: Mani
Clearly someone didn't get the memo. According to McCain, the fundamentals of the economy are strong.

A couple of sectors have a dip because of mismangement.
What people were laid off and companies folded because of the banking issue last week.

MCowen did not announce any major job losses orcompanies announcing that theyare pulling upstakes and going overseas.

Houses are still being built and resold - maybe not at a unrealistic rate. they may not be being flipped fora quick profit, butbeing sold so people can actaully live in them
People are still buying cars, shopping at stores.
Roads & bridge work is still being done.


People lost wealth on paper - much was artificially created on paper.
But in order for it to actually be lost, it had to be sold.

 

jpeyton

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Dear American:

I need to ask you to support an urgent secret business relationship with a transfer of funds of great magnitude.

I am Ministry of the Treasury of the Republic of America. My country has had crisis that has caused the need for large transfer of funds of 800 billion dollars US. If you would assist me in this transfer, it would be most profitable to you.

I am working with Mr. Phil Gram, lobbyist for UBS, who will be my replacement as Ministry of the Treasury in January. As a Senator, you may know him as the leader of the American banking deregulation movement in the 1990s. This transactin is 100% safe.

This is a matter of great urgency. We need a blank check. We need the funds as quickly as possible. We cannot directly transfer these funds in the names of our close friends because we are constantly under surveillance. My family lawyer advised me that I should look for a reliable and trustworthy person who will act as a next of kin so the funds can be transferred.

Please reply with all of your bank account, IRA and college fund account numbers and those of your children and grandchildren to wallstreetbailout@treasury.gov so that we may transfer your commission for this transaction. After I receive that information, I will respond with detailed information about safeguards that will be used to protect the funds.

Yours Faithfully Minister of Treasury Paulson
 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Dear American:

I need to ask you to support an urgent secret business relationship with a transfer of funds of great magnitude.

I am Ministry of the Treasury of the Republic of America. My country has had crisis that has caused the need for large transfer of funds of 800 billion dollars US. If you would assist me in this transfer, it would be most profitable to you.

I am working with Mr. Phil Gram, lobbyist for UBS, who will be my replacement as Ministry of the Treasury in January. As a Senator, you may know him as the leader of the American banking deregulation movement in the 1990s. This transactin is 100% safe.

This is a matter of great urgency. We need a blank check. We need the funds as quickly as possible. We cannot directly transfer these funds in the names of our close friends because we are constantly under surveillance. My family lawyer advised me that I should look for a reliable and trustworthy person who will act as a next of kin so the funds can be transferred.

Please reply with all of your bank account, IRA and college fund account numbers and those of your children and grandchildren to wallstreetbailout@treasury.gov so that we may transfer your commission for this transaction. After I receive that information, I will respond with detailed information about safeguards that will be used to protect the funds.

Yours Faithfully Minister of Treasury Paulson
This would be hilarious were it not so depressingly true. I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

Nicely done!
 

Bird222

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Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Dear American:

I need to ask you to support an urgent secret business relationship with a transfer of funds of great magnitude.

I am Ministry of the Treasury of the Republic of America. My country has had crisis that has caused the need for large transfer of funds of 800 billion dollars US. If you would assist me in this transfer, it would be most profitable to you.

I am working with Mr. Phil Gram, lobbyist for UBS, who will be my replacement as Ministry of the Treasury in January. As a Senator, you may know him as the leader of the American banking deregulation movement in the 1990s. This transactin is 100% safe.

This is a matter of great urgency. We need a blank check. We need the funds as quickly as possible. We cannot directly transfer these funds in the names of our close friends because we are constantly under surveillance. My family lawyer advised me that I should look for a reliable and trustworthy person who will act as a next of kin so the funds can be transferred.

Please reply with all of your bank account, IRA and college fund account numbers and those of your children and grandchildren to wallstreetbailout@treasury.gov so that we may transfer your commission for this transaction. After I receive that information, I will respond with detailed information about safeguards that will be used to protect the funds.

Yours Faithfully Minister of Treasury Paulson
This would be hilarious were it not so depressingly true. I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

Nicely done!

QFT!
 

jpeyton

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Please don't give me credit; I lifted it off some blog. Very funny, relevant, and sobering.
 

Slew Foot

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Dear American:

I need to ask you to support an urgent secret business relationship with a transfer of funds of great magnitude.

I am Ministry of the Treasury of the Republic of America. My country has had crisis that has caused the need for large transfer of funds of 800 billion dollars US. If you would assist me in this transfer, it would be most profitable to you.

I am working with Mr. Phil Gram, lobbyist for UBS, who will be my replacement as Ministry of the Treasury in January. As a Senator, you may know him as the leader of the American banking deregulation movement in the 1990s. This transactin is 100% safe.

This is a matter of great urgency. We need a blank check. We need the funds as quickly as possible. We cannot directly transfer these funds in the names of our close friends because we are constantly under surveillance. My family lawyer advised me that I should look for a reliable and trustworthy person who will act as a next of kin so the funds can be transferred.

Please reply with all of your bank account, IRA and college fund account numbers and those of your children and grandchildren to wallstreetbailout@treasury.gov so that we may transfer your commission for this transaction. After I receive that information, I will respond with detailed information about safeguards that will be used to protect the funds.

Yours Faithfully Minister of Treasury Paulson

A++++ Will read again.


Seriously, post of the year material there.
 

Kadarin

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Dear American:

I need to ask you to support an urgent secret business relationship with a transfer of funds of great magnitude.

I am Ministry of the Treasury of the Republic of America. My country has had crisis that has caused the need for large transfer of funds of 800 billion dollars US. If you would assist me in this transfer, it would be most profitable to you.

I am working with Mr. Phil Gram, lobbyist for UBS, who will be my replacement as Ministry of the Treasury in January. As a Senator, you may know him as the leader of the American banking deregulation movement in the 1990s. This transactin is 100% safe.

This is a matter of great urgency. We need a blank check. We need the funds as quickly as possible. We cannot directly transfer these funds in the names of our close friends because we are constantly under surveillance. My family lawyer advised me that I should look for a reliable and trustworthy person who will act as a next of kin so the funds can be transferred.

Please reply with all of your bank account, IRA and college fund account numbers and those of your children and grandchildren to wallstreetbailout@treasury.gov so that we may transfer your commission for this transaction. After I receive that information, I will respond with detailed information about safeguards that will be used to protect the funds.

Yours Faithfully Minister of Treasury Paulson

This poast is win!
 

wwswimming

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Originally posted by: Thump553
Only the government would label something negative non-borrowed reserves. My head hurts just trying to figure out what they mean-I assume it is borrowed reserves? Is that an oxymoron?

the web page it's on
http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/BOGNONBR
"Home > Economic Data - FRED® > Categories > Reserves and Monetary Base > Reserves > Series: BOGNONBR, Non-Borrowed Reserves of Depository Institutions"

in the 'old days', like 2007, banks had reserves (duh). there's some law that says, "banks must have X% of their loans in the form of reserves", where X is 5 to 10 percent.

anyway, banks have had to borrow a lot recently to cover their reserve requirements. it seems contradictory - they're borrowing money to achieve an agreed upon amount of financial health. if they have to borrow money to achieve the legal reserve requirements, that doesn't seem too healthy ! i agree, it's very contradictory.

if they got people to invest & buy more stock, it might dilute existing shares, but at least their reserves are - not borrowed

so all this time banks in the category of "Depository Institutions" have had reserves ranging up to $50 billion, from looking at the curve published by the Fed.

then, WHAM ! losses relating to mortgage backed securities (MBS). $3+ billion for Washington Mutual in losses last quarter. MBS losses to date, booked by various institutions around the world - $500 billion. from Bloomberg, total expected losses from MBS - 1.2 to 1.6 trillion. so they've waded about 40% of the way through the swamp.

one of the most educational papers i've seen about MBS'
*.pdf, Tilson Partners' Analysis of the Longshore MBS Product

The Longshore product is a bundle of mortgages that started out with a value of about $1.3 billion. the analysis of that security starts on page 118 of the PDF. the part before that is an introduction about credit derivatives.

in the analysis, they look at various 'tranches' of the security. it's a big collection of mortages, typically they bundle them in bundles of 1000 & re-sell them. so each of the loans involved, let's say if it's a police officer with seniority with good credit & put 20% down, that's in a higher tranch, might be labelled 'AA'. someone who has a fraudulent loan, the No Income No Job No Assets (Ninja loans) that were sold by companies like Home123, well that loan's not rated so high. if they had a low starter rate and the mortgage rate is about to reset to a much higher rate, trouble may lie ahead. it would be in a different 'tranch' than the police officer's home-loan.

the Tilson Partners presentation dissects the bundle of mortgages that was sold under the "Longshore" label.

and basically they conclude that that mortgage backed security is worth dimes on the dollar - for the highest tranch.

so, $trillions of these products were sold. it's too much to talk about in one post, but, in addition to THOSE mortgage backed securities, various Wall Street institutions got real creative and created all sorts of "Structured Investment Vehicles", and "CDO's" (credit derivative option ?). the estimates of the total number of those is mind-boggling, i have seen articles ranging $60 trillion to $1000 trillion. separate subject.

getting back to the regular mortgage backed security, every quarter the banks have to make some attempt to estimate the value of the mortgage backed securities they hold. one bank in Australia recently wrote off 100% of their MBS', declaring them to be worthless junk & taking the loss.

these are the kinds of products the government is taking on. they are talking about $700 billion in the media, but i'm not sure what that means. they're going to give the banks cash in exchange for those lower-valued securities ? i don't want to speculate, i'll wait till they have their plan spelled out more exactly.

it's a mess. if i was going to buy a share of a security like that using my own money, i would want to know about every mortgage in the bundle. i don't see how they can work through the details without, well, working through the details. paying people to dissect the securities, mortgage by mortgage. how else can you put a valuation on the security ?

so i guess the plan is to create a government organization that takes on the lower valued securities, analyzes them, nurtures them (nipple feeding allowed ?), and, what we are being told is, re-sells them. "when the dust has settled".

why wouldn't it have been cheaper for the government to just buy stock in each of the banks to bulk up their reserves ? $700 billion would have bought a lot of bank stock. Christ, Washington Mutual has had a stock market valuation of $4 to $8 billion for about 6 months now. so why didn't Hank Paulson propose to invest $200 billion in the troubled institutions, like Indymac & Wachovia ? that would have held them up through several quarters of $3 billion losses.
 

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Firebot

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Dear American:

I need to ask you to support an urgent secret business relationship with a transfer of funds of great magnitude.

I am Ministry of the Treasury of the Republic of America. My country has had crisis that has caused the need for large transfer of funds of 800 billion dollars US. If you would assist me in this transfer, it would be most profitable to you.

I am working with Mr. Phil Gram, lobbyist for UBS, who will be my replacement as Ministry of the Treasury in January. As a Senator, you may know him as the leader of the American banking deregulation movement in the 1990s. This transactin is 100% safe.

This is a matter of great urgency. We need a blank check. We need the funds as quickly as possible. We cannot directly transfer these funds in the names of our close friends because we are constantly under surveillance. My family lawyer advised me that I should look for a reliable and trustworthy person who will act as a next of kin so the funds can be transferred.

Please reply with all of your bank account, IRA and college fund account numbers and those of your children and grandchildren to wallstreetbailout@treasury.gov so that we may transfer your commission for this transaction. After I receive that information, I will respond with detailed information about safeguards that will be used to protect the funds.

Yours Faithfully Minister of Treasury Paulson

It would be better if it said: "All we need from you is a 2000$ check made payable to 'CEO' to ensure that this crisis can be conquered. This can be postdated 10 years from now under your child's name if you prefer"
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: Firebot
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Dear American:

I need to ask you to support an urgent secret business relationship with a transfer of funds of great magnitude.

I am Ministry of the Treasury of the Republic of America. My country has had crisis that has caused the need for large transfer of funds of 800 billion dollars US. If you would assist me in this transfer, it would be most profitable to you.

I am working with Mr. Phil Gram, lobbyist for UBS, who will be my replacement as Ministry of the Treasury in January. As a Senator, you may know him as the leader of the American banking deregulation movement in the 1990s. This transactin is 100% safe.

This is a matter of great urgency. We need a blank check. We need the funds as quickly as possible. We cannot directly transfer these funds in the names of our close friends because we are constantly under surveillance. My family lawyer advised me that I should look for a reliable and trustworthy person who will act as a next of kin so the funds can be transferred.

Please reply with all of your bank account, IRA and college fund account numbers and those of your children and grandchildren to wallstreetbailout@treasury.gov so that we may transfer your commission for this transaction. After I receive that information, I will respond with detailed information about safeguards that will be used to protect the funds.

Yours Faithfully Minister of Treasury Paulson

It would be better if it said: "All we need from you is a 2000$ check made payable to 'CEO' to ensure that this crisis can be conquered. This can be postdated 10 years from now under your child's name if you prefer"

Well done, jpeyton. Actually I think th e next improvement would be for it to contain the sort of threat Paulson and Bernake are making if it's not done.
 

WHAMPOM

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I just don't get it, the delinquent mortages causing this banking crisis are still in the millions, but the bail out demands are in billions??? Who is trying to rush this through Congress???
 

JJChicken

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Originally posted by: Slew Foot
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Dear American:

I need to ask you to support an urgent secret business relationship with a transfer of funds of great magnitude.

I am Ministry of the Treasury of the Republic of America. My country has had crisis that has caused the need for large transfer of funds of 800 billion dollars US. If you would assist me in this transfer, it would be most profitable to you.

I am working with Mr. Phil Gram, lobbyist for UBS, who will be my replacement as Ministry of the Treasury in January. As a Senator, you may know him as the leader of the American banking deregulation movement in the 1990s. This transactin is 100% safe.

This is a matter of great urgency. We need a blank check. We need the funds as quickly as possible. We cannot directly transfer these funds in the names of our close friends because we are constantly under surveillance. My family lawyer advised me that I should look for a reliable and trustworthy person who will act as a next of kin so the funds can be transferred.

Please reply with all of your bank account, IRA and college fund account numbers and those of your children and grandchildren to wallstreetbailout@treasury.gov so that we may transfer your commission for this transaction. After I receive that information, I will respond with detailed information about safeguards that will be used to protect the funds.

Yours Faithfully Minister of Treasury Paulson

A++++ Will read again.


Seriously, post of the year material there.

Nominated!
 

smashp

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Originally posted by: WHAMPOM
I just don't get it, the delinquent mortages causing this banking crisis are still in the millions, but the bail out demands are in billions??? Who is trying to rush this through Congress???

The problem is that banks took Those mortgages and and used derivitives and credit swaps so they grew 30X

So if there is a mortgage for 100,000 that fails thebanks could be up to 3 million at risk because the way they manipulated the mortgage with fancy Calculus.

Thats the best way i can explain it.
 

LegendKiller

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Originally posted by: smashp
Originally posted by: WHAMPOM
I just don't get it, the delinquent mortages causing this banking crisis are still in the millions, but the bail out demands are in billions??? Who is trying to rush this through Congress???

The problem is that banks took Those mortgages and and used derivitives and credit swaps so they grew 30X

So if there is a mortgage for 100,000 that fails thebanks could be up to 3 million at risk because the way they manipulated the mortgage with fancy Calculus.

Thats the best way i can explain it.

It's got far less to do with derivatives thank you think. The real problem isn't delinquency or defaults, it's the fact that the banks took on too many assets, bought with debt. Now those assets are depreciating, not because the houses or underlying assets are depreciating, but because the market doesn't want to buy them (nobody can or will) except at a steep discount. The debt that bought the assets doesn't decline with the asset, so you have a mis-match.

Non-linear transparency regulation is what caused this problem, among a myriad of other issues.