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Nomar Traded!
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brunswickite
Diamond Member
now with a poll, updated
I don't think the defense is going to help the sox down the stretch. They need(ed) more consistent hitting and getting rid of Nomar is not the way to do that. And who says he wouldn't return next season...
I guess they were thinking he wouldn't and at least they could get something for him now that he's productive and not injured and still under contract w/ them.
I guess they were thinking he wouldn't and at least they could get something for him now that he's productive and not injured and still under contract w/ them.
RabidMongoose
Lifer
No, I'm not kidding. I think I would rather have Nomar Garciaparra than a Gold Glove 1B, a position where defense is not as critical, who right now has been horrible offensively, especially for a 1B.
The other Gold Glove is at a more critical position and is having an atrocious season at the plate as well.
Even if Nomar was going to leave, the Red Sox could have offered him arbitration. Therefore they would not have received nothing for Nomar. They would have received the signing team's #1 draft pick as well as a first round sandwich pick. Perhaps they'll get the same from Cabrera.
MoobyTheGoldenCalf
Golden Member
Cubs GM Jim Hendry is a genius. We got NO-MAH for NA-THING..... BWAHAHHAHHH
SP33Demon
Lifer
Great trade for Boston, especially if Cabrera can bat above .300 again like last year now that he's happy. Plus he's waaaay better than Nomar on D and is 2 years younger. Plus he can steal bases as well as or better than Nomar, and he's a Latino which is great for team chemistry with Ortiz/Pedro/Manny. Last but not least, Boston will save 5-10 mil if they can resign him for cheap after this season.
D Mientkiewicz was also a pickup, especially since Ortiz sucks at first on D (6 errors in 34 games, Millar also sucks) and likes DHing. Mientkiewicz also could heat up batting wise, he batted over .300 in 2 of his past 3 seasons, a solid all around veteran.
Nomar would have been gone anyhow after this season, mainly because Boston could not give him the $$$ that he thinks he's worth (he turned down 4yr/60mil). Good luck trying to resign him after the season Cubs!
I had heard rumors that Bosox were going after Clement, but they don't need him now that they have upgraded their defense for D Lowe... Arroyo/Pedro/Schilling are solid 1-3, and Wake is decent for 4th. Lowe will now be better in the 5th slot... bring on the Yanks!
D Mientkiewicz was also a pickup, especially since Ortiz sucks at first on D (6 errors in 34 games, Millar also sucks) and likes DHing. Mientkiewicz also could heat up batting wise, he batted over .300 in 2 of his past 3 seasons, a solid all around veteran.
Nomar would have been gone anyhow after this season, mainly because Boston could not give him the $$$ that he thinks he's worth (he turned down 4yr/60mil). Good luck trying to resign him after the season Cubs!
I had heard rumors that Bosox were going after Clement, but they don't need him now that they have upgraded their defense for D Lowe... Arroyo/Pedro/Schilling are solid 1-3, and Wake is decent for 4th. Lowe will now be better in the 5th slot... bring on the Yanks!
ThePresence
Elite Member
In all fairness, you would've said that if they traded Manny, Millar, Damon and Ben Afflek for Jose Contreras.
brunswickite
Diamond Member
Cabrera is a career .267 hitter, he hasnt swiped more then 25 bags in his career, although he is cheaper then latino, and the team chem is possibly true.. defensivly he is better (has about 10 errors less then nomar a season) but nomar's bat makes up for that.
Mienkiewichz, was good pick up, good d, cheap, and puts up pretty good numbers..
overall though even if nomar would have been gone at the end of this season, i think he would have helped the sox in these critical 2-3 months on their wildcard run.
ThePresence
Elite Member
*ahem* JLO is NOT a good thing.
I am not sure you can say the trade was better for Boston, that they made to Chicago. Beltran(lots of potential), Gonzalez(terrible SS) for Garciaparra + prospect player. This trade by itself is lopsided in favor of the Cubs. But it was Theo Epstein's creativity that turned it around and got great Gold Glove players in the mix. I think the 1B will be fine and Cabrera will flourish with a new enviroment. He wan't to be in a pennant race, and now he is. Playing in front of 40k day in and day out can have a profound affect. But just looking at the Cubs Boston trade, Cubs made out like bandits if Epstein couldn't parlay it into two great players, ala the Dodgers.
'No'mar for 'no' average and 'no' power. Really think the defensive upgrade, and speed on the bases is worth it? I mean, these guys are good defensively, but we're not exactly talking about Omar Vizquel and Don Mattingly here. They've got one gold glove apiece and it was 3 years ago. Face it, their infield defense went from embarrasing to average (if that), and the offense quite took a dive. Not to mention, now they have three 1B's, forcing Millar to the outfield which actually weakens the OF defense. Sure-handed (who isn't in the OF though? I mean, besides Manny?), but poor arm for a RF'er and no range.
And as seen again this afternoon, the BRS still have 'no' bullpen besides Foulke. Now 7-13 in one-run games.
I feel indifferent to the Contreras trade. I don't figure Loiaza will help much down the stretch besides eat innings and not guaruntee a loss if he faces the BRS (when's the last pitcher that actually did well for NY after a mid-season trade? David Cone in '95?), but after a year and two-thirds, not even the most patient Yankee fan could still hope Contreras could throw 4 straight starts without giving up 6 runs in one of them. Too bad, he probably had the best stuff on the team besides Mo.
And as seen again this afternoon, the BRS still have 'no' bullpen besides Foulke. Now 7-13 in one-run games.
I feel indifferent to the Contreras trade. I don't figure Loiaza will help much down the stretch besides eat innings and not guaruntee a loss if he faces the BRS (when's the last pitcher that actually did well for NY after a mid-season trade? David Cone in '95?), but after a year and two-thirds, not even the most patient Yankee fan could still hope Contreras could throw 4 straight starts without giving up 6 runs in one of them. Too bad, he probably had the best stuff on the team besides Mo.
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