Nokia Lumia 900

[kaerflog]

Kinda want this phone.
Its just that when MS was about to catch up to Android, Android comes out with ICS. My heart is set on getting an HD display for my next phone.


http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/09/nokia-900-is-real/

 

[Puddle Jumper]

It looks like it still has a 800x480 pentile screen which is pretty disappointing on a 4.3" device. A lot of people complained about the resolution on the Galaxy S2 yet the effective pixel density of the Lumia 900 is considerably lower.

Also not to sound like a broken record but the Snapdragon S2 SoC is disappointing. If this phone had a ST Erickson NovaThor SoC (dual core Cortex A9 + Mali 400) it would be a very different device.

 

[shortylickens]

This is only marginally better than the 800. Its pricing better be appropriate.

Oh, and you dont need any higher than 800x480 on WP7 because everything is organized so much better and the icons are huge. I got an HD7 and its fine. Nor does it need a dual core cuz the OS is much smoother than Android.

 

[kaerflog]

It looks like it still has a 800x480 pentile screen which is pretty disappointing on a 4.3" device. A lot of people complained about the resolution on the Galaxy S2 yet the effective pixel density of the Lumia 900 is considerably lower.

Also not to sound like a broken record but the Snapdragon S2 SoC is disappointing. If this phone had a ST Erickson NovaThor SoC (dual core Cortex A9 + Mali 400) it would be a very different device.

Again, we are talking about WP7 here.
Its doesn't need dual core like Android for it to run efficiently.
Dual core would be nice but its not a neccessity on WP7.

 

[Strk]

It looks like it still has a 800x480 pentile screen which is pretty disappointing on a 4.3" device. A lot of people complained about the resolution on the Galaxy S2 yet the effective pixel density of the Lumia 900 is considerably lower.

Also not to sound like a broken record but the Snapdragon S2 SoC is disappointing. If this phone had a ST Erickson NovaThor SoC (dual core Cortex A9 + Mali 400) it would be a very different device.

It will be pretty awesome when those phones come out, but I haven't heard anything other than eventually for Novathor phones.

Let's hope at&t doesn't slap a $250 price tag on this thing.

 

[Deeko]

I will be getting one of these when they come out. Nokia build quality + awesome camera + Mango, with LTE? Count me in.

 

[pantsaregood]

I will be getting one of these when they come out. Nokia build quality + awesome camera + Mango, with LTE? Count me in.

The LTE actually kind of worries me a bit. Every second generation WP7 device supports HSPA+, but none of the AT&T models manage the speeds you'd expect on AT&T's network. International Titans have no issue pushing HSPA+ speeds on AT&T's network, so it honestly appears that AT&T have limited the speed on their WP7 devices by software.

Also, the Lumia 900 ihonestly doesn't impress me that much. It looks amazing, but the Titan has a slightly faster CPU and the the Focus S has a nicer screen. I think it is important to note that the Lumia 900, Titan II, and whatever Samsung may announce are only refresh products. A new generation of devices can probably be expected to hit around the middle of 2012. Right now it seems Microsoft is just trying to saturate the market with plenty of options.

 

[Deeko]

The LTE actually kind of worries me a bit. Every second generation WP7 device supports HSPA+, but none of the AT&T models manage the speeds you'd expect on AT&T's network. International Titans have no issue pushing HSPA+ speeds on AT&T's network, so it honestly appears that AT&T have limited the speed on their WP7 devices by software.

Also, the Lumia 900 ihonestly doesn't impress me that much. It looks amazing, but the Titan has a slightly faster CPU and the the Focus S has a nicer screen. I think it is important to note that the Lumia 900, Titan II, and whatever Samsung may announce are only refresh products. A new generation of devices can probably be expected to hit around the middle of 2012. Right now it seems Microsoft is just trying to saturate the market with plenty of options.

The Titan II and Focus S are nice devices as well, but personally, I'll take LTE, Nokia's usual fantastic build / camera quality, and Nokia Drive over the Samsung/HTC advantages.

One of the things I miss most from Android is full-featured GPS navigation, so Nokia Drive is definitely a welcome addition. And when Apollo drops....I might just upgrade to one of those devices

 

[Puddle Jumper]

This is only marginally better than the 800. Its pricing better be appropriate.

Oh, and you dont need any higher than 800x480 on WP7 because everything is organized so much better and the icons are huge. I got an HD7 and its fine. Nor does it need a dual core cuz the OS is much smoother than Android.

WP7 does absolutely nothing to address the displays incredibly poor pixel density. Even something as simple as reading text will illustrate that screens inferiority.

Android and iOS are both pushing retina displays now and if Microsoft is serious about competing they need to stop being content to be playing catch up.

 

[Deeko]

WP7 does absolutely nothing to address the displays incredibly poor pixel density. Even something as simple as reading text will illustrate that screens inferiority.

Android and iOS are both pushing retina displays now and if Microsoft is serious about competing they need to stop being content to be playing catch up.

Meh - the Lumia is not "incredibly poor" in the pixel density department. The Titan is pushing its, yes, but while it could be better, 800x480 @ 4.3" is not that bad. If you are really concerned about Pentile and subpixel density, the Focus S has pretty much the exact same screen as the GS2.

Anyway, for Mango, the resolution (much like the processor) is set in stone, no one should have expected anything different. Perhaps we will see more resolution options with Apollo. Until then, we are all aware of what the resolution will be.

 

[notposting]

I hate you Verizon. Guess I'll keep truckin along with this broken Trophy (accelerometer crapped out) until I snap. Been saving my last NE2 and we get squat on big red for wp7.

 

[shortylickens]

I hate you Verizon. Guess I'll keep truckin along with this broken Trophy (accelerometer crapped out) until I snap. Been saving my last NE2 and we get squat on big red for wp7.

Yeah they made it clear they wanna milk the Android teats as long as possible, and if they can throw in brief iPhone love then thats good too. They dont like WP7, they dont love RIM like they used to. They dropped Nokia a LONG time ago. Never even bothered with Palm.
They might have the flagship phones for the popular formats, but they dont have any real variety or selection.

 

[cheezy321]

This is a sexy looking phone. Take note HTC, this is how to design a phone. I tried the WP7 demo on my iPhone and I actually like it a lot. I will definitely check out this phone in stores to see how it all feels.

Microsoft may actually become a worthy opponent. They are doing a lot of things right.

 

[Red Storm]

Sure is a beauty but that resolution is just too low.

Once you go 720P, you don't go back.

 

[finbarqs]

WP7's keyboard is magical. Literally. Wow. Nothing beats it! I'd take WP7 keyboard over swype!

 

[zokudu]

This will probably be my first smartphone. Excited to be getting an Nokia WP7 device stateside.

 

[smartpatrol]

Windows Phone will support 720p and dual-core SOCs with the Apollo update coming late this year.

I REALLY want my next phone to be a Windows phone. I'm hoping MS finally figures out how to get carriers, manufacturers, and consumers excited for their platform.

 

[Red Storm]

Windows Phone will support 720p and dual-core SOCs with the Apollo update coming late this year.

I REALLY want my next phone to be a Windows phone. I'm hoping MS finally figures out how to get carriers, manufacturers, and consumers excited for their platform.

The problem is by that time we may be looking at 1080P phones on Android, and who knows what the iPhone will have (I have nothing to back that up, it's just a guess based on how fast mobile hardware has been advancing).

I don't believe in specs alone, but resolution is one of those things that's immediately apparent when you load a web page. Having to zoom and scroll all over the place is no fun, and a higher resolution (mostly) solves that problem.

If the 900 had a 720P screen I would seriously consider making the jump back to WP7... well, and it would also need to come to Verizon.

 

[shortylickens]

This will probably be my first smartphone. Excited to be getting an Nokia WP7 device stateside.

You could have had a nokia WP7 a little while ago. Just order unlocked 710 or 800 from Amazon.

 

[Deeko]

The problem is by that time we may be looking at 1080P phones on Android, and who knows what the iPhone will have (I have nothing to back that up, it's just a guess based on how fast mobile hardware has been advancing).

I don't believe in specs alone, but resolution is one of those things that's immediately apparent when you load a web page. Having to zoom and scroll all over the place is no fun, and a higher resolution (mostly) solves that problem.

If the 900 had a 720P screen I would seriously consider making the jump back to WP7... well, and it would also need to come to Verizon.

By the time Apollo drops I'm sure there will be quad core Android phones - however, I wouldn't count on 1080p phones by then. For starters, they're really only just starting to trickle into the market. More important, though, is the question of value. As much as I loathe overuse of this term, Apple deemed 300 dpi to be a "retina display" because the human eye, at that distance, can't really discern a difference. So would we even benefit from going to 1080p on a phone?

 

[Red Storm]

By the time Apollo drops I'm sure there will be quad core Android phones - however, I wouldn't count on 1080p phones by then. For starters, they're really only just starting to trickle into the market. More important, though, is the question of value. As much as I loathe overuse of this term, Apple deemed 300 dpi to be a "retina display" because the human eye, at that distance, can't really discern a difference. So would we even benefit from going to 1080p on a phone?

For me the biggest advantage to a larger resolution is simply being able to see more at once. There is a very noticeable difference in web browsing between 854x480 (OG Droid) and 1280x800 (Galaxy Nexus). On the Nexus when I browse in landscape I don't need to zoom or scroll around, the entire width of the page is visible and readable.

Quad core, RAM, things like that don't really matter because we aren't comparing apples to apples, they are different OSes. But display resolution is one of the those things that can be directly compared.

 

[kaerflog]

The problem is by that time we may be looking at 1080P phones on Android, and who knows what the iPhone will have (I have nothing to back that up, it's just a guess based on how fast mobile hardware has been advancing).

I don't believe in specs alone, but resolution is one of those things that's immediately apparent when you load a web page. Having to zoom and scroll all over the place is no fun, and a higher resolution (mostly) solves that problem.

If the 900 had a 720P screen I would seriously consider making the jump back to WP7... well, and it would also need to come to Verizon.

I doubt you are going to see 1080P screen on smartphones any time soon.
First, theres no known 1080P smartphone display announced yet. Only the Asus Prime 10" tablet has the 1080P display.
Second, its a little bit redundant. Its been said many times that 300dpi is what the human can see.
1280x720 on a 4.3" screen is already at that magic mark.
How effective is it to have a 1920x1080 on a similar size screen ??

 

[kaerflog]

For me the biggest advantage to a larger resolution is simply being able to see more at once. There is a very noticeable difference in web browsing between 854x480 (OG Droid) and 1280x800 (Galaxy Nexus). On the Nexus when I browse in landscape I don't need to zoom or scroll around, the entire width of the page is visible and readable.

Quad core, RAM, things like that don't really matter because we aren't comparing apples to apples, they are different OSes. But display resolution is one of the those things that can be directly compared.

I agree with everything you say here.
I've been salivating over a higher resolution screen for a while now.
After Apple came out with their 960x680 screen, I've wanted something like that for Android.
Going from 800x480 to 1280x720 on a ~4.3" screen is a big difference. No question.
The galaxy nexus 4.6" 1280x720 is at 316dpi right now.
You're not going to much of a difference putting 1920x1080 on a 4.6" screen phone.
By then you encounter other problems as needing much more power soc to power the higher resolution and battery drain.

 

[Deeko]

For me the biggest advantage to a larger resolution is simply being able to see more at once. There is a very noticeable difference in web browsing between 854x480 (OG Droid) and 1280x800 (Galaxy Nexus). On the Nexus when I browse in landscape I don't need to zoom or scroll around, the entire width of the page is visible and readable.

Quad core, RAM, things like that don't really matter because we aren't comparing apples to apples, they are different OSes. But display resolution is one of the those things that can be directly compared.

Sure, its noticeable to a point, its actually one of the reasons I like browsing on my Bold, despite its smaller screen size, the 640px width and high DPI is nice, but it will also start to get detrimental to that same effect. I'm currently posting this from a 21.5" 1080P monitor. If it were shrunk down to 4.3", yes it would be very sharp, but I certainly wouldn't be able to read it. You'd have to zoom.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying high resolution is a bad thing...just that attempting to browse at a zoomed out 1080P on a phone doesn't seem like it would work very well.

 

[Red Storm]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying high resolution is a bad thing...just that attempting to browse at a zoomed out 1080P on a phone doesn't seem like it would work very well.

Yeah I'll concede the 1080P comment, on a phone that will just turn into another bragging rights spec.

However, that doesn't change the fact that launching a new phone at 800x400 at this point is a bad decision (due to Microsoft's imposed limits), especially with that article saying the 900 won't be coming stateside for another few months. I'm not saying it will have a negative impact on overall sales, but for us tech enthusiasts it's a big no-no.

Microsoft needs to make Apollo happen sooner, they can't always be a year behind on this stuff. And they need to get these phones on Verizon!