Nokia 41-MP "Eos", Lumia 925 "Catwalk", and Lumia 928? Nokia's May 14th Press Event

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Nokia is having a press event May 14th in London. From everything I've been reading they are possibly announcing the Eos, a PureView 808 successor but with Windows Phone 8; the Lumia 928,which is a Lumia 920 variant on Verizon, which features a Xenon flash instead of LED; and/or the thinner aluminum body Nokia Lumia 925, codenamed "Catwalk", which would be a Lumia 920 successor (a 920 'S' if you want to think of it in Apple terms).

I'm excited about the Eos and 925, though I don't think Catwalk is actually coming out for a little while, but I could be wrong. Now I'm wishing I waited to buy a new phone, but oh well. It's an interesting time to follow Nokia, as they've also committed to the $99 Asha 501, which is apparently being targeted at emerging markets (read: mainly India, China, and Africa) and does not run Windows Phone, but instead uses a new in-house developed OS.

At the same time Nokia has also been highlighting the features of their current flagship - namely the low-light camera performance of the Lumia 920 versus the iPhone 5 and Samsung Galaxy S3 - and marketing their brand through a new and humorous commercial. Nokia is also pushing out cell phone peripherals, like this new tile-like portable charger which is clearly patterned on the Windows/Windows Phone color scheme, which Nokia has adopted In its Windows Phone design as well as the new phones in the Asha line.

Is anyone else following the Nokia news frenzy?
 
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Two OSes I will never use... And it looks like Sony will bring Big Sensor to Android before Nokia is freed from exclusivity payments.
 
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GTRagnarok said:
Interested to see the Eos too. The 808 Pureview camera was insane.
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The big thing that stopped me from getting the 808 was that it had an effectively dead OS.

I'm sure a lot of Android people are dissappointed that the Lumias and the PureView phones in particular aren't running Android, but I'm happy to see at least this new one will be on Windows Phone. They need to add more OS camera features in the future, but WP8 is a step up from Belle. At least this round it can be more of a smartphone with a very high res camera than a high res camera with some smartphone features.

Still a physically huge sensor, but that's inevitable and a fair tradeoff.
 
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Not very impressed with WP thus far, but a 41MP camera with Xenon flash and complete manual control over all the settings would actually make me take a real long hard look at it.

Another thing I think would be interesting would be dual high-res cameras, so you could shoot HDR video.
 
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41 MP? That is going to create a pretty large file. In raw that would be equivalent to maybe 60+mb. In jpeg, I would think it would be around 10-15mb?

Hopefully it has an sd card slot, or there is going to be some serious uploading going on.
 
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bearxor said:
Basically, I'm looking for a successor to this phone:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_808_PureView

That runs an OS worth a damn.
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You may want to be aware that, despite taking extremely high resolution pictures, that camera trades blows with the Lumia 920's. As far as general performance, the 920 is almost tied with the 808. The 920 usually wins out in low-light situations. The advantage of having such a high resolution is that it allows digital zoom without a terrible loss in quality.
 
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The 808 also down samples and reduces noise quite a lot.

Not impressed with the 925. Sure, it's thinner, but it loses built in wireless charging and drops storage in half, not to mention the hideous camera bump. I would take either the 920 or 928 over this every time.
 
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Deeko said:
The 808 also down samples and reduces noise quite a lot.

Not impressed with the 925. Sure, it's thinner, but it loses built in wireless charging and drops storage in half, not to mention the hideous camera bump. I would take either the 920 or 928 over this every time.
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My beef with this all is that depending on your carrier, you don't get the phone you want. ALL the 920 variants should be on EVERY carrier. They need to dump this carrier exclusivity...especially in the marketshare trailing position. What good did it do Nokia to not have a flagship phone available on 3 out of the 4 largest carriers in the US over the past 6 months?

(insert iPhone/Galaxy comparison here)
 
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Reading more and it says that the 928 is actually a plastic rather than the polycarbonate of the 920, not sure how I feel about that but I definitely think the 928 will be my upgrade.

Also while I like the phones themselves (for the most part, I agree that aluminum is highly overrated) I'm not sure what they're doing with their naming scheme. To the average consumer, I think releasing a new phone with a 'lower number' isn't going to give a very appealing impression, even if that's how it's fits in their hierarchy.
 
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poofyhairguy said:
Are you kidding me? Its the greatest substance a phone can be made out of! Aluminum! Stop the presses!

(yes I am making fun of One aluminum fapfests)
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Its not even really aluminum. The front is glass and the back is Polycarbonate, so it's basically just the edges that are aluminum... Woo
 
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Deeko said:
The 808 also down samples and reduces noise quite a lot.

Not impressed with the 925. Sure, it's thinner, but it loses built in wireless charging and drops storage in half, not to mention the hideous camera bump. I would take either the 920 or 928 over this every time.
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Only the American 925 has reduced storage. I don't understand the need American carriers have for "exclusive" variants, though. It isn't so much that I'm unimpressed as it is that these are just variants of the 920.
 
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Yes Nokia Asha 501 is a nice phone, I did,nt have it yet but i read its featuers from Techreleased.com that its Dimensions is 99.2 x 58 x 12.1 mm; 98 grams with Camera: 3.2 MP It have a Single SIM which have standby time up to 48 days and with Dual SIM standby time up to 26 days having talktime up to 17 hours. It have Additional memory of 4GB which can be expandable up to 32GB
 
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Not sure what all the rage is about aluminum. That's like saying "wow, my phone is made out of the same stuff as a Coke can- amazing". Everyone is going to put a case on it anyways so it could be made out of pretty much anything and it wouldn't matter- except for marketing. I bought a Nokia 822 which takes about the same quality pictures as a 920. The sensor is only part of the equation. If the lens is poor, it doesn't matter how big the sensor is. The xenon flash would be nice, though but I really just can't pocket a phone as big as a 9XX.
 
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spdfreak said:
Not sure what all the rage is about aluminum. That's like saying "wow, my phone is made out of the same stuff as a Coke can- amazing".
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Aluminum looks and feels better than some implementations of plastic. Nokia does plastic (polycarbonate) fairly well. I have no qualms about buying a polycarbonate Lumia - I've owned and used two. I was also fine with the plastic on the HTC Trophy which was my main phone for nearly 2 years.

Some of the Android manufacturers, though, have made cheap looking and feeling plastic phones, notably Samsung and LG. While plenty of people find that to be acceptable, relatively few people find them preferable. So the question is why do they only use plastic? Why make faux-aluminum (Ativ S/Odyssey or GS3) or faux-carbon fiber (S4) when it looks chintzy? Or why overuse gloss? Clearly those are design choices that don't add to the user experience. Well there are two answers:

A) Plastic is better to prevent signal attenuation - a perfectly valid argument if this were a few years ago, except companies like Apple and HTC have found ways to make metal bodied phones that receive and transmit signals really well. I have zero issues with reception with my HTC One, and in fact signal strength for both 4G LTE and WiFi have been superb.

B) Additional cost - another valid point, if we were talking about low-end smartphones. The Lumia 9XXs and the Samsung Galaxy S4 are premium phones in the $500 to $600+ range. Even if there is some savings to using plastic over aluminum, speaking of the material cost or manufacturing cost, Samsung isn't passing on that savings to the consumer. They are making hundreds of dollars per phone in profit, and spending hundreds of millions of dollars on marketing.

So if you personally prefer plastic to aluminum, sure, that's a valid opinion. You are entitled to it. But I like aluminum bodied phones over plastic, just as I don't like my cars to look plasticky on the outside or have too much plastic on the inside. Which is a personal preference, sure, but as a consumer I think it's acceptable and even desirable that companies cater to both tastes.

I applaud Nokia for making an aluminum phone, except they haven't gone completely aluminum body for the 925. Which is fine, because it still looks good and probably feels comfortable in the hand. How a phone looks and feels is important because that's basically how you are interacting with it, though obviously the way the OS operates on the given hardware is even more critical. So long as that is done right, though, aesthetics and dare I say ergonomics (it's a small factor for small devices, if we include weight) can be a deciding factor for a lot of consumers. It's nice to see that Android and Windows Phone devices can play in the same premium space as Apple for a change.

P.S. I bought a clear TPU case for my HTC One after initially deciding not to use one. After several days I've decided I don't like the feel and additional weight, plus it makes it harder to use the volume controls. So I'm caseless again. Maybe I'm the only one, but at least one person doesn't instantly put a plastic case on his phones. I haven't kept a case on any of the phones I've used.
 
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Deeko said:
Its not even really aluminum. The front is glass and the back is Polycarbonate, so it's basically just the edges that are aluminum... Woo
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Yeah, it looks worse than the all polycarbonate shell. I think people just wanted Nokia to make a slimmer, lighter, aluminum version that looked like their other phones.

Nokia has quite a few compelling aspects, but I feel like they still need something better. Then again it'd probably be wasted on Windows Phone, but even a more current dual core with stronger GPU would be appreciated. That and better battery life. I wouldn't mind an even thicker phone if it had great battery life, especially with a nice camera.
 
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Additional cost - another valid point, if we were talking about low-end smartphones. The Lumia 9XXs and the Samsung Galaxy S4 are premium phones in the $500 to $600+ range. Even if there is some savings to using plastic over aluminum, speaking of the material cost or manufacturing cost, Samsung isn't passing on that savings to the consumer. They are making hundreds of dollars per phone in profit, and spending hundreds of millions of dollars on marketing.
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I suspect that since the 928 is a Verizon phone and Verizon heavily subsidises their phones, cost is a big factor. Even saving 10.00/phone adds up pretty quickly when you are almost giving away millions of phones. I bet MS had a say in it too since they are likely paying part of the subsidy to get WP8 out in the market.

I had a Trophy and loved the slightly rubberized back plate. I didn't have a case on it the whole 2 years I had it since I never really felt like I was going to drop it. But my 822 is just too slippery and feels like you are going to drop it so I bought a Nokia oem case which I love. It has a rubberized texture and a built in kickstand that works great. Maybe the reason they can't put a metal back plate on is because it won't work with the wireless charging pad...
 
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I'll be all over the 928, but what sucks is I loose my unlimited data plan in doing so:(
 
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