Nobody noticed the OTHER bill California passed about Vaccines.

[madoka]

actually the outbreaks were in orange county-ish and anaheim, IIRC. home to rich, white, jenny-mcarthy types who think they know better than hundreds of years of established medical practice that wiped out smallpox, polio, etc.

Have you actually driven around Anaheim?

Demographically it's 46% Mexican with over 50% Hispanic.

Then you have the cities surrounding Anaheim, like Cypress, Stanton, Garden Grove, Westminster, etc., which are way poorer than it.

 

[Moonbeam]

Liberals are less susceptible to irrational fears than conservatives are , but are not immune to them. They can become confused by what purports to be scientific data. The difference though is that it is easier to overcome a liberals irrational fear by a careful reasoned and objective look at data than it is to change a conservateve's mind. California is liberal and a great deal of information on the insanity of the vaccine scare has been presented.

 

[Iron Woode]

~ snipped crackhead trolling ~

try posting something relevant to this discussion.

 

[Moonbeam]

try posting something relevant to this discussion.

If I compare my life to yours and kill myself, it won't be for the reason you think.

 

[Strk]

Big pharma has a conflict of interest, and they have abused it big time.

And they have zero to do with this conversation.

Not really

I've seen people try and make the financial argument (in big Pharma's favor) for vaccines, but it is asinine. All the vaccines you'll get from birth until death costs less than one trip to the ER, let alone being admitted to a hospital. They're almost all extremely cheap.

 

[shortylickens]

Not to mention vaccines will prevent a great many unneeded visits to the hospital, so actually they save YOU money and let doctors focus on real problems.

 

[interchange]

Not really

I've seen people try and make the financial argument (in big Pharma's favor) for vaccines, but it is asinine. All the vaccines you'll get from birth until death costs less than one trip the ER, let alone being admitted to a hospital. They're almost all extremely cheap.

This is what I'm saying. Big pharma has a lot to answer to, but not in the vaccine game.

 

[Moonbeam]

Not really

I've seen people try and make the financial argument (in big Pharma's favor) for vaccines, but it is asinine. All the vaccines you'll get from birth until death costs less than one trip to the ER, let alone being admitted to a hospital. They're almost all extremely cheap.

Are you sure you understood his point. I'm not.

 

[Moonbeam]

Hehe, I was watching a mystery on tv while I was posting and your post wasn't there when I started mine.

 

[interchange]

Why is it that these conversations dry up when the answer is diffused? We are just to the point of being able to talk about important stuff.

Like, what drives people to make these decisions.

And what role does the government have in compelling behavior to keep us safe? Where is that threshold and how is it set? And how can we make sure it isn't eroded over time?

 

[glenn1]

Have you actually driven around Anaheim?

Demographically it's 46% Mexican with over 50% Hispanic.

Then you have the cities surrounding Anaheim, like Cypress, Stanton, Garden Grove, Westminster, etc., which are way poorer than it.

Asian component is very high too, from Buena Park to Fullerton and all around.

 

[zinfamous]

http://cubiclane.com/california-vaccine-law-jerry-brown-signs-california-vaccine-bill-law-55751/


You can no longer use a religious excuse to get out of vaccinations. You need a medical reason AND it has to be verified by a doctor.

That seems weird to me. I always thought of California as the place that let you get away with any kind of bullshit, so long as you claimed it was part of your belief system.

Apparently only Mississippi and West Va. have similar laws.

Sounds like this apparently out-of-place law in CA was supported and passed for the very reason that other such out-of-place laws are passed in other states: to remove themselves from that "only West Virginia and Mississippi..." association.

dodged a bullet, there.

 

[disappoint]

Why is it that these conversations dry up when the answer is diffused? We are just to the point of being able to talk about important stuff.

Like, what drives people to make these decisions.

And what role does the government have in compelling behavior to keep us safe? Where is that threshold and how is it set? And how can we make sure it isn't eroded over time?

Aren't you one of the most qualified here to speak to that?

My guess is ignorance, lack of critical thinking skills along with cognitive biases.

 

[Ns1]

there is nothing stopping parents from not vaccinating their kids in CA.


but now those shithead parents can't send their petri dish kids to infect other kids at school.

 

[werepossum]

There are many vaccines which I find perfectly acceptable to refuse en masse without likely public health danger.

Too bad that generally comes along with refusing ones that do have compelling public health interest.

Agreed. If you wish to refuse a vaccine for cervical cancer, fine. But some vaccines for highly contagious diseases such as whooping cough cannot be given to very young babies, yet can be fatal to those same babies.

actually the outbreaks were in orange county-ish and anaheim, IIRC. home to rich, white, jenny-mcarthy types who think they know better than hundreds of years of established medical practice that wiped out smallpox, polio, etc.

Rich, white, jenny-mcarthy types who also tend to employ illegal aliens for yard work, housekeeping, child care, etc. Worst of all possible combinations, parents operating within the general population who elect not to vaccinate and yet come into close contact with illegal aliens who probably aren't vaccinated like Americans and probably can't afford to miss a few days' work to be sick at home. And when their child does get a preventable infectious disease, they probably have lots of like-minded friends to help the disease spread.

Wait a second. You can be forced to get a vaccine?

I'm not an anti-vaxer, but people should be able to refuse vaccines for any reason.

If they are largely insular like the Amish, I'd agree. That minimizes the risks to others. However, as Interchange points out, many vaccinations do have compelling public health interests, and many of the people who refuse vaccinations still mingle with the general population every day. I'm a huge proponent of individual liberty, but it's not an absolute right.

 

[werepossum]

Why is it that these conversations dry up when the answer is diffused? We are just to the point of being able to talk about important stuff.

Like, what drives people to make these decisions.

And what role does the government have in compelling behavior to keep us safe? Where is that threshold and how is it set? And how can we make sure it isn't eroded over time?

I think it's the extremely severe cost of having a child who reacts adversely to a vaccination, combined with this modern idea that if something goes wrong, it must be someone's fault. If my kid is autistic, it's obviously not MY fault, so it must have been the vaccine. And it's aggravated by our extreme lack of math and logic skills. I think of it as hiding under a moving train to avoid being struck by a meteorite - one accepts a much greater risk even whilst bragging about how one dodged that much, much lesser risk.

 

[Eli]

Good.

 

[Joepublic2]

while I dont necessarily disagree its also Big Pharma 1 individual liberty 0.
Its like all these new $$ diseases Sleep Apnea, Diabetes, keep america fat = $$.

/Tin foil hat off

No conspiracies are needed to explain so many people being fat. Your average person eats more calories than they used to. It really is that simple.

In 1970, the average American downed 2,169 calories a day, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture. By 2008, we were consuming 2,674 calories daily.

That's a 23 percent increase.

It's like packing away three Kentucky Fried Chicken Crispy Strips and a side of mashed potatoes and gravy every day -- on top of the 2,000 calories or so we need.

To burn those extra calories, someone who weighs 160 pounds would have to walk, at a moderate pace, for two hours a day.

http://www.cleveland.com/fighting-f...ns_are_consuming_more_calories_than_ever.html

 

[Subyman]

Good. This stops idiot parents from ruining their children due to their irrational fears.

 

[shortylickens]

Good. This stops idiot parents from ruining their children due to their irrational fears.

No.
It just keeps them from being sent to school.

 

[Subyman]

No.
It just keeps them from being sent to school.

Good, keeps the other kids safe then.

 

[sportage]

That seems weird to me. I always thought of California as the place that let you get away with any kind of bullshit, so long as you claimed it was part of your belief system.

Apparently only Mississippi and West Va. have similar laws.

Boy, do you have it backwards.
Obviously, you have never lived in good old CA.
And quite the opposed is the case.
What you call bullshit is sound reasonable logic.
And what they passed is in fact sound reasonable logic.
Unlike the Southern states of our country, CA isn't stuck in some religious nonsensical muck.

 

[shortylickens]

Boy, do you have it backwards.
Obviously, you have never lived in good old CA.
And quite the opposed is the case.
What you call bullshit is sound reasonable logic.
And what they passed is in fact sound reasonable logic.
Unlike the Southern states of our country, CA isn't stuck in some religious nonsensical muck.

Your stupidity is matched only by your ignorance.

Good day, sir.