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[BoomerD]

Spoiler

Lassie comes home.

Rotten bastage...

neither of which have anything to do with deshaun watson pinballing between 2 rushers, so you both fail.

Yeah, that was a great play on his part..
They had him...until they didn't.

 

[BUTCH1]

neither of which have anything to do with deshaun watson pinballing between 2 rushers, so you both fail.

Fair enough, the FG, had the Bills not got that flag, was about 48yds, hardly a gimme.

 

[ElFenix]

Fair enough, the FG, had the Bills not got that flag, was about 48yds, hardly a gimme.

they would have been at the houston 38, so add another 8 yards to that.

 

[Muse]

Calling that a blind side block was total bs. He was at least partially facing the defender. You don't make that call than can decide a game.

And nice to see AB still being a tool. Double standards proven again with him even getting a tryout.

Uh, whose AB?

Totally agree on that blindside block foul, I thought he was definitely within the field of view to see that block coming. Terrible call.

 

[Ackmed]

Texans should not be in the next round. Such a terrible call against the Bills. Maybe fans should sue like Aints fans did?! Kidding... Still, terrible call. You just don't make that game deciding call.

Clowney hit was dirty. Lead with helmet, clearly trying to hurt Wentz. It worked he was out of the game. He can deny it all he wants, replay is obvious.

Glad the Ain't are out. Still crying about a PI call. Always someone else to blame. Uh

 

[UsandThem]

Clowney hit was dirty. Lead with helmet, clearly trying to hurt Wentz. It worked he was out of the game. He can deny it all he wants, replay is obvious.

That was a dirty hit. He can claim whatever he wants about it being "bang bang" or whatever other excuse he wants to use. If that was a college game, he would have been ejected for targeting without a doubt.

However, since it's the NFL he'll simply get fined a small fraction of his salary, and will be ready to go for next week's game.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1213947168970694661

 

[KMFJD]

The Clowney hit looks very bad in slowmo

 

[Muse]

Clowney hit was dirty. Lead with helmet, clearly trying to hurt Wentz. It worked he was out of the game. He can deny it all he wants, replay is obvious.

Glad the Ain't are out. Still crying about a PI call. Always someone else to blame. Uh

Didn't even get a flag, but yeah, that was pretty clear targeting. Just nailed his head to the ground for a double whammy. With his helmet!!!

Gotta wonder, though. Russell Wilson is in his 8th year and has never missed a start. Why did Wentz get himself in a position where he could be injured again? Wilson never ever does that, and his a much smaller guy, would be easier to injure. Not blaming Wentz, of course. Clowney should have been tossed from the game. The league should ban him from next week's game! That's so antithetical to the direction they've taken to protect the players, especially the quarterbacks. Taking no action is just grievously hypocritical. I hope the Seahawks are pummeled next week at Green Bay.

 

[dainthomas]

Didn't even get a flag, but yeah, that was pretty clear targeting. Just nailed his head to the ground for a double whammy. With his helmet!!!

Gotta wonder, though. Russell Wilson is in his 8th year and has never missed a start. Why did Wentz get himself in a position where he could be injured again? Wilson never ever does that, and his a much smaller guy, would be easier to injure. Not blaming Wentz, of course. Clowney should have been tossed from the game. The league should ban him from next week's game! That's so antithetical to the direction they've taken to protect the players, especially the quarterbacks. Taking no action is just grievously hypocritical. I hope the Seahawks are pummeled next week at Green Bay.

Please. You could find a dozen hits every game that would like attempted murder if you slowed them down dramatically. To say Clowney was trying give Wentz a brain injury is bonkers.

Wilson takes late hits all the time that aren't called. And he's definitely been injured (he's played with knee and ankle problems at various times). But he knows when to slide, and is usually running away from tacklers when he scrambles.

The guy is a class act, and carries the team on his back year after year. I can't understand how someone would want him to lose just because of a possibly blown call on a defensive player.

 

[BoomerD]

I didn't like the Clowney hit on Wentz...it looked bad, but if the refs didn't see it as wrong and the NFL, after watching it repeatedly determined it was just "incidental helmet to helmet contact," I'll accept that decision.

 

[Muse]

The guy is a class act, and carries the team on his back year after year. I can't understand how someone would want him to lose just because of a possibly blown call on a defensive player.

I never said I wanted him to lose because Clowney targeted Wentz. I have wanted him to lose for years, I'm a 49ers fan. Need further explanation? I realize Wilson's an amazing quarterback. Anyway, my point was that it was an egregious hit. You are saying it was just like a dozen other hits in any given game. We disagree there.

Even before the game in Philly, I wanted the Hawks to lose... I sure don't want to see them play in Santa Clara again this season.

 

[dainthomas]

I never said I wanted him to lose because Clowney targeted Wentz. I have wanted him to lose for years, I'm a 49ers fan. Need further explanation? I realize Wilson's an amazing quarterback. Anyway, my point was that it was an egregious hit. You are saying it was just like a dozen other hits in any given game. We disagree there.

Even before the game in Philly, I wanted the Hawks to lose... I sure don't want to see them play in Santa Clara again this season.

Go Vikes!

 

[Muse]

Go Vikes!

Fair enough. Go 9ers!

Jerry Rice predicted a SB for the 9ers this year some weeks ago. Raised my eyebrows.

 

[Muse]

Please. You could find a dozen hits every game that would like attempted murder if you slowed them down dramatically. To say Clowney was trying give Wentz a brain injury is bonkers.

Wilson takes late hits all the time that aren't called.

If Wilson took that hit from Clowney you wouldn't see him before next season.

Clowney hit was dirty. Lead with helmet, clearly trying to hurt Wentz. It worked he was out of the game. He can deny it all he wants, replay is obvious.

 

[OccamsToothbrush]

If Wilson took that hit from Clowney you wouldn't see him before next season.

If Brady took that hit from Clowney you wouldn't see Clowney back before 2025.

 

[zinfamous]

If Brady took that hit from Clowney you wouldn't see Clowney back before 2025.

probably true.

....I'm still on the fence about the Clowney hit. It definitely looks bad in slow motion, but I lean towards "product of circumstance" when you consider the play in real time. The only thing that gives me pause is that he does seem to lower his frame as if aiming his head, but he's also going low as it is, so it's hard to distinguish that from shoulder or head in the ~1 second the decision and then the response happens there.

I do believe that the meeting of their two heads, specifically, was entirely circumstantial. The main thing is if you can derive intent from Clowney for using his head as a battering ram, and I don't see that being completely clear.

 

[Muse]

probably true.

The main thing is if you can derive intent from Clowney for using his head as a battering ram, and I don't see that being completely clear.

Looks clear enough to me. I've seen many hits less obvious at least called if not penalized. How they didn't even call a penalty on that hit boggles my mind. Isn't that reviewable?

 

[zinfamous]

Looks clear enough to me. I've seen many hits less obvious at least called if not penalized. How they didn't even call a penalty on that hit boggles my mind. Isn't that reviewable?

They did review it, and they didn't call it. I agree there should have been a penalty, but I don't think it was egregious/targeting. Again, you have to go by real time. slow motion replay has a habit of distorting the reality of the situation.

 

[BoomerD]

If Brady took that hit from Clowney you wouldn't see Clowney back before 2025...and Tom Terrific would have just retired.

ftfy.

 

[BoomerD]

The league has decided to take another look at the Clowney/Wentz hit.

NFL reviewing Jadeveon Clowney's hit on Carson Wentz

Seahawks DE Jadeveon Clowney was not flagged for his hit on Carson Wentz. But it still might cost him. The NFL is reviewing the play, and while a suspension isn't expected, a fine is possible.

www.nfl.com

 

[Muse]

They did review it, and they didn't call it. I agree there should have been a penalty, but I don't think it was egregious/targeting. Again, you have to go by real time. slow motion replay has a habit of distorting the reality of the situation.

I agree with that. I think they call too many late hits when out of bounds, especially. A defensive player is supposed to know exactly where the play stands with respect to the sideline? That's asking a lot. If the official has reason to believe the the defensive player knew where the sideline was when making the late hit, yeah, OK. I also see too many calls for unnecessary roughness when a player can't stop his momentum and collides with an offensive player after the whistle or after a quarterback releases the ball. Sometimes it's just no humanly possible to avoid the contact that happens. And a defensive player doesn't know when a quarterback is going to pass or if he's going to double pump.

Anyway, I think Clowney could have avoided hitting Wentz's helmet with his own helmet and it was virtually a direct hit, and it drove his head into the ground. Looked egregious to me. This is an elite athlete. He had the ability to control his action but didn't. I think they should have tossed him from the game and maybe the next or worse.

 

[manly]

Ron was a Golden Bear. Did you see the Cal/Illinois game? Cal might actually be good next year, 10 offensive starters returning... Chase Garbers was pretty great yesterday. I hate to get my hopes up about Cal, there's good reason they call the Cal faithful "The Blues." Shit, they haven't won the Pac 10 or 12 since the late 1950's! Cal has had a lot of great players, and in the NFL, but as a team hasn't stood out for 60 years!

If Chase Garbers is healthy, Cal should improve by 1 or 2 games next season.
Cal was co-Pac 10 champ in 2003 I believe.
And AP top 10 once in the early 1990s.
But otherwise you're right that the Bears almost never do anything interesting, while an hour south Stanfurd somehow turned into a perennial (conference) power for a decade.

 

[OccamsToothbrush]

But otherwise you're right that the Bears almost never do anything interesting, while an hour south Stanfurd somehow turned into a perennial (conference) power for a decade.

The Pac 10/12 is a joke with no teams that can beat anyone decent outside of the conference and no team that can have 2 or 3 good seasons in a row. Stanford turned into a conference power by default. They didn't get much better, but USC and UCLA fell off a cliff and Stanford leapfrogged them by standing still.

 

[Muse]

If Chase Garbers is healthy, Cal should improve by 1 or 2 games next season.
Cal was co-Pac 10 champ in 2003 I believe.
And AP top 10 once in the early 1990s.
But otherwise you're right that the Bears almost never do anything interesting, while an hour south Stanfurd somehow turned into a perennial (conference) power for a decade.

Yeah, Cal gets a rating and then they fall apart. How long were they in the top 10? Not long, IIRC (and I don't remember the details but sure remember they they didn't stay highly rated). And co-champs has a dull ring to it. Champs? Not since the 1950's!

 

[manly]

Yeah, Cal gets a rating and then they fall apart. How long were they in the top 10? Not long, IIRC (and I don't remember the details but sure remember they they didn't stay highly rated). And co-champs has a dull ring to it. Champs? Not since the 1950's!

The only ranking that matters is the season-ending one. Cal finished AP top 10 in the early 90s and in 2004. Despite what you say, the Bears were conference champs in 2006.

Back on topic, people aren't saying that Clowney is a dirty player but that was a dirty play. Moreover, the Seahawks benefited the rest of the game from Wentz being KO'd. I don't want to over-legislate the game but ideally Clowney should be barred from the game while Wentz is out. I don't mean an ejection (unless warranted) but it's totally unfair that a dirty play gives your team a massive advantage. At the very least, it's an unnecessary roughness penalty, regardless of intent.