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fskimospy

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runzwithsizorz said:
Did you listen to David Camerons' speech? No hem, and haw, song, and dance, wishy washy sweep under the carpet, I'll get back to ya later statements. A leader instills confidence, he tells you what has already been done, what he's about to do, and what the goals are. He doesn't have to re-define, walk back, or explain he's statements a day, or two later.
Years ago, a mere passenger on an airline showed he's leadership with just two words, LET'S ROLL!
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So a leader is a good public speaker that acts tough? You realize that David Cameron is under fire in the UK, and guess what people are saying there? He isn't showing leadership.

Like I said earlier, these are just broad platitudes. Tell me specific things you think he should do differently other than give better speeches. This line of criticism is so vacuous.
 
JEDIYoda

JEDIYoda

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Angry Irishman said:
No, it's really just as simple as showing poor leadership and once again judgement. No play on words or ideas. Actions have spoken louder than words over the course of this administration.
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No...this is your bully pulpit to put Obama down......

Unless you think we need a leader like McCain or Romney who both would have boots on the ground again in the middle east!!
 
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Angry Irishman said:
You're pretty big on absolutes and show you're naive by relying on insults. I suppose we should just sit back and hope for the best and wait for the worst? It's a small world. You're so hell bent on religious hate you aren't seeing the danger or the evil at play regardless of religious affiliations. Please don't bother to answer as I have no intention of discussing anything further with you.
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<-- see you just proved my point......about YOU not having a clue...
 
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Angry Irishman said:
Now you're just trolling....and not very well. I have a feeling you've never been exposed to what real leadership entails.
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The problem you have is you don`t understand --- real leadership takes many forms.....just because Obama did not invite you to sit in on meetings and such does not mean there is no leadership...
 
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Angry Irishman said:
I would have bet my testes you'd come back with that. I tell you what, reverse roles here....you tell me how he has show effective leadership is and be specific. Was his latest statement a wise one....was it?
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Doesn`t matter what his last statement was...the facts are plain and simple -- whatever he does or says you are not a happy camper!
 
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Angry Irishman said:
I always expect media such as FOX to be critical but you know it's bad when you see CNN and MSNBC being critical as well. In any case the polls speak for themselves about how the average Joe feels about this administration and Congress.
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Might have already been pointed out to you, but the bolded means either you don't think all media should be critical, which is stupid, or you don't think CNN and MSNBC ever are critical (or never were in the past), which is demonstrably false. Duuuude. wtf. dude? dude
 
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yllus said:
I'll take a "we don't know yet but are thinking about it" over a "let's act right now so we can look decisive in front of the electorate" any day of the week and twice on Sundays.
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<-- this.....also just because we are not told something does not mean nothing is being done.....

For example who would have thunk that Obama had the fortitude to send elite Navy Seals in to try to rescue James Foley...nobody knew except a select few...now pipe down Angrydude...
 
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JEDIYoda said:
No...this is your bully pulpit to put Obama down......

Unless you think we need a leader like McCain or Romney who both would have boots on the ground again in the middle east!!
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Boots on the ground, IE other peoples kids. Would you ever expect to see any of the Romney boys put on the uniform?

And has McCain ever seen a war he didn't like? Didn't he already funnel money to the group funding ISIS? Didn't he just recently criticize Obama for not supporting ISIS? War, with no plans of resolution, is all that the right wing chicken hawks ever have.
 
JEDIYoda

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Angry Irishman said:
I'm not going to define something to you which you clearly cannot comprehend or would even be willing to. That's the reality of the situation. If you think it's OK to show weakness as the POTUS through words and action over and over then bully for you. Sometimes leadership means being very careful about what you say to the entire world and how you represent your country in that world. In fact, I have no intentions of discussing anything with you as you'll turn to insults as your response as is the norm.
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again somebody needs to pinch you and wake you yup....
 
Angry Irishman

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JediYoda,

You haven't conveyed anything except attacks. You're so hellbent on defending the man that you seem to have lost perspective. If McCain or anyone from either party was this ineffective as president I'd have the same opinion and as shown a large portion of this country does currently. Obama isn't the devil and he's done some good things but in the end he's just in above his head. Leadership is what's what is expected and needed and not just by me and according to the article I'm not alone in this expectation. I certainly understand leadership isn't a one style concept, that said, results are what matter. Results haven't been good consistently and it's not all because of Bush and it's not because this trend is a one time occurrence.
 
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Tombstone1881 said:
Boots on the ground, IE other peoples kids. Would you ever expect to see any of the Romney boys put on the uniform?

And has McCain ever seen a war he didn't like? Didn't he already funnel money to the group funding ISIS? Didn't he just recently criticize Obama for not supporting ISIS? War, with no plans of resolution, is all that the right wing chicken hawks ever have.
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I'm not necessarily advocating boots on the ground nor am I saying act within the next hour. I am saying that telling the world that you're not ready is not prudent. The whole point of this post is the man once again showed poor judgement with his words and with his actions. People really like to jump to conclusions around here when it's not warranted.
 
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JEDIYoda said:
You wouldn`t know a leader if you were in the same room as a leader...
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I've been led and have led folks in armed conflict. I do understand the implications of leadership both good and bad. I also understand the reality of war and wish like any rationale human being that it was a thing of the past....but it isn't. Until that is a reality I'd rather not have our country shown as weak and not ready for anything that comes our way. That's exactly what's happened and the current situation at hand.
 
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justoh said:
Might have already been pointed out to you, but the bolded means either you don't think all media should be critical, which is stupid, or you don't think CNN and MSNBC ever are critical (or never were in the past), which is demonstrably false. Duuuude. wtf. dude? dude
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It's not very often those particular media outlets have been this critical but it's certainly not the first time or probably the last. Fact is, Fox IS always critical, CNN and MSNBC rarely are to this degree.
 
JEDIYoda

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Angry Irishman said:
JediYoda,

You haven't conveyed anything except attacks. You're so hellbent on defending the man that you seem to have lost perspective. If McCain or anyone from either party was this ineffective as president I'd have the same opinion and as shown a large portion of this country does currently. Obama isn't the devil and he's done some good things but in the end he's just in above his head. Leadership is what's what is expected and needed and not just by me and according to the article I'm not alone in this expectation. I certainly understand leadership isn't a one style concept, that said, results are what matter. Results haven't been good consistently and it's not all because of Bush and it's not because this trend is a one time occurrence.
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Your posting history shows how much you despise Obama......fess up....you have always been that way!
I applaud leadership that does not commit our young men and women to a war with troops on the ground!
 
JEDIYoda

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Angry Irishman said:
I've been led and have led folks in armed conflict. I do understand the implications of leadership both good and bad. I also understand the reality of war and wish like any rationale human being that it was a thing of the past....but it isn't. Until that is a reality I'd rather not have our country shown as weak and not ready for anything that comes our way. That's exactly what's happened and the current situation at hand.
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Get use to it.....you have Hillary coming up as POTUS!!!! Take a deep breath and deal with it.....
 
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JEDIYoda said:
Your posting history shows how much you despise Obama......fess up....you have always been that way!
I applaud leadership that does not commit our young men and women to a war with troops on the ground!
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Yea, I don't care for him....no secret's there nor would I care for a Republican with the same performance.

I'd rather have Hillary as POTUS....fact. I hate to say it but given the potentials Hillary is on top.
 
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