No review of Lumia 1020 yet!

[dagamer34]

Last podcast already stated that Anand will put as much effort into Windows Phone as Microsoft does. I guess they'd like to see more updates.

 

[bearxor]

The top 5 things 'I' care about when I buy a cellphone

1. Web/Email on the go (so LTE,3G etc etc along with a solid browser)
2. Camera
3. Maps
4. Good screen
5. Quick app switching.

any phone that can do those things properly is a primary candidate for a buy... Lumia checks all the five for me... and I love anandtech reviews a lot... feel bad that they are not covering it....

and yes the Camera on this thing looks awesome...

Listen. I've used a WP8 phone as a daily driver for a few months. Anyone that would say that a WP8 device would check the Quick app switching' box, I think I'd just like to smack them right upside the head.

Hi Microsoft intern - welcome to anandtech! I noticed that you didn't mention "great app selection," quick give away that you work for MS

Haven't you heard? Windows Phone has OVER 100,000 apps!

Last podcast already stated that Anand will put as much effort into Windows Phone as Microsoft does. I guess they'd like to see more updates.

I don't disagree with that opinion. As far as I'm concerned, Microsoft started a drive with WP8, but they went three and out and had to punt. WP8.1 is hopefully the start of their final, game winning drive.

 

[ITHURTSWHENIP]

What makes you say Microsoft isn't taking WP seriously? I just picked up a 520 and I have to say that I love the thing. It certainly isn't perfect, but it is a decent mobile OS.

Because its still lacking in basic functions that should have been there at launch. And the next update to implement some of these functions is spring 2014. Belfiore seems think having a kids corner is more important than a basic function like rotation lock or notifications. When your OS has almost no marketshare, you should be innovating (The UI was innovation 3 years ago, this is almost 2014) instead they are horribly slow at even catching up to their competition.

 

[uscmafia]

Listen. I've used a WP8 phone as a daily driver for a few months. Anyone that would say that a WP8 device would check the Quick app switching' box, I think I'd just like to smack them right upside the head.



Haven't you heard? Windows Phone has OVER 100,000 apps!



I don't disagree with that opinion. As far as I'm concerned, Microsoft started a drive with WP8, but they went three and out and had to punt. WP8.1 is hopefully the start of their final, game winning drive.

Thanks that helps...

 

[uscmafia]

Hi Microsoft intern - welcome to anandtech! I noticed that you didn't mention "great app selection," quick give away that you work for MS

sorry to disappoint you.. but I make films for living (aka almost broke)... and I use a mac.. phone that still has gingerbread OS...

i have been waiting a decent shooter for a while and 1020 has been in my radar since the announcement... and i love anandtech reviews... never bothered to create an account until recently... didnt even know forums existed...

take care...

 

[bearxor]

Thanks that helps...

You're welcome!

 

[Zstream]

The top 5 things 'I' care about when I buy a cellphone

1. Web/Email on the go (so LTE,3G etc etc along with a solid browser)
2. Camera
3. Maps
4. Good screen
5. Quick app switching.

any phone that can do those things properly is a primary candidate for a buy... Lumia checks all the five for me... and I love anandtech reviews a lot... feel bad that they are not covering it....

and yes the Camera on this thing looks awesome...

I have to agree, I own atrix 4g, iPhone 3gs and 4, lumia 800, HTC 8x and HTC one x. I wish I had a mix between the atrix and 8x. The maps, email and calendar are awesome on the windows phone. The one thing I hated was that IE had little options and being able to close all apps at once. Oh, being forced to use Bing was a bummer.

 

[poofyhairguy]

Here is a comprehensive review on the phone from a photography site:

http://connect.dpreview.com/post/5234892048/nokia-lumia-1020-camera-review

 

[Eug]

Here is a comprehensive review on the phone from a photography site:

http://connect.dpreview.com/post/5234892048/nokia-lumia-1020-camera-review

As I've suggested before, for me in 2013, this is simply a deal killer.

Its imaging Achilles heel is its camera app’s sluggish shot-to-shot and start-up times. While many phones feel nearly instantaneous on both fronts, the 1020’s four-second delays can feel very long. Whether you find this negligible or nauseating depends on your personal style of photography.

 

[uscmafia]

As I've suggested before, for me in 2013, this is simply a deal killer.

Its imaging Achilles heel is its camera app’s sluggish shot-to-shot and start-up times. While many phones feel nearly instantaneous on both fronts, the 1020’s four-second delays can feel very long. Whether you find this negligible or nauseating depends on your personal style of photography.

I wonder if the new quad-core chips would make any difference... may be by lumia 1025 it might be gone ...:awe:

 

[Eug]

I wonder if the new quad-core chips would make any difference... may be by lumia 1025 it might be gone ...:awe:

It should be noted that the Lumia 1520 has a 20.7 MP sensor, which fits pretty much exactly with Snapdragon 800's supported max. I'm guessing it's going to be way, way faster than the Lumia 1020.

 

[Lil Frier]

As I've suggested before, for me in 2013, this is simply a deal killer.

Its imaging Achilles heel is its camera app’s sluggish shot-to-shot and start-up times. While many phones feel nearly instantaneous on both fronts, the 1020’s four-second delays can feel very long. Whether you find this negligible or nauseating depends on your personal style of photography.

Though the Pro Cam app is the one you mostly want to do all of the fancy stuff, I think that's pat of where the time is consumed. If you set the default camera app to the stock Windows Phone one, I'm pretty sure people have said that you get faster timing with it.

 

[bearxor]

Yes but, again, you only get a 5MP crop off the sensor. No oversampling is done on those photos and that is what really sets the 1020 apart to begin with.

While it may be fine for just random capturing, you're not buying the L1020 to do that stuff. You're doing it to be serious about the pictures you take with it.

Impressive as the Lumia 1020's camera is, it's not what I would call 'finished'. This is a very first-gen product. There's still some kinks to work out and some things to improve upon. That's not to say it's bad, necessarily, but I have a feeling next year's pureview phone is going to just kill the 1020 in terms of speed and picture quality.

Interesting article about the PQ differences between the stock camera app, the pro camera app and the PV808 hardware accelerated oversampling.
http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/features/item/18351_Lumia_1020_and_its_oversamplin.php

 

[Belegost]

Yes but, again, you only get a 5MP crop off the sensor. No oversampling is done on those photos and that is what really sets the 1020 apart to begin with.

Actually it is not a 5MP crop from the sensor, the ramifications of such a situation preclude it. If the WP cam app just took a 5MP crop, then one of two things would be true, and we can see that both are false:

- All images taken with the WP cam app would be at the 2.7x "zoom." This is not the case, as evidenced by observation of pictures taken by the cam app.

- The optics of the 1020 implement an extremely wide field of view so that the projection on ~12% of the sensor surface area would correspond to the 28mm equivalent FOV. Further, since this would be equivalent to a fish-eye lens, the WP cam app would need to do all the necessary geometric remapping to correct for the distortion. If the optics of the 1020 were capable of this, I'm quite sure it would have been marketed as a feature, and the complexity of the distortion correction algorithms is an order of magnitude (or more) higher than the complexity of downsampling, plus causes a loss of image quality. We can safely conclude this is also not the case.

This is also in line with statements by Nokia, that the default cam app will save a downsampled 5MP image. The image quality differences in that article are due to post-processing changes. Nokia has openly admitted to changing the 1020 to allow for a grainier more film-like image, and the WP cam app does it's own post-processing which doesn't seem as good as Nokia's admittedly. (Plus, the WP cam app auto adjusts ISO, so it may have chosen a poor ISO in that situation.)

Also, the author of the article you posted already made an update, mentioning that the downsampling is done in realtime.
http://allaboutwindowsphone.com/features/item/18387_Want_best_purity_Think_about_N.php

 

[uscmafia]

true... a 2.7x zoom will be some serious cropping ... you can pretty much say goodbye to macro photography or selfies...

 

[pandemonium]

The oversaturation of colors and lack of detail in high-range contrast shots is making me take a pass on the 1020. I'll be waiting (again.../sigh) for the next iteration of PV technology and allowing my N8 to continue showing its photo capture prowess; even 3 years in.

http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/features/item/18448_The_legendary_2010_N8_versus_t.php

 

[uscmafia]

At this point... the biggest gripe for me is a good Gmail app along with Google maps... WP8 does have google maps but is no where close to what is there on iOS and Android... also I doubt it will be coming out anytime sooner... ..

 

[Belegost]

HERE maps? I find it is as good, or better than Google maps, especially the traffic. After I got my 920, it got me to start using it on the desktop.

Honestly Google has made it abundantly clear they are not interested in serving their ads to WinPhone users, so if you're going to use WinPhone I suggest working with other services. If you're really tied to Google, go elsewhere.

On WinPhone, the MS/Nokia ecosystem is (unsurprisingly) best supported.