No prosecution for impersonating a registered voter, the type of fraud that would be prevented by a photo requirement"

[techs]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01...n/10scotus.html?ref=us

Justices Indicate They May Uphold Voter ID Rules

The Bush administration has raised the suspicions of Democrats by making what they call ?voter fraud? a priority for Justice Department enforcement. No prosecution for impersonating a registered voter, the type of fraud that would be prevented by a photo requirement, has ever been brought, however. ?No one has been punished for this kind of fraud in living memory in this country,? Paul M. Smith, a Washington lawyer arguing for the Democrats, told the justices.



Regardless of the constitutionality of requiring a picture i.d., this proves that the whole point of the voter i.d. law was to make it more difficult for some people to vote.
Republicans. Why do they hate Democracy?

 

[yllus]

Nobody's ever wandered into my home and stole everything inside it in my living memory. I'm going to continue leaving the door unlocked.

Good plan techs.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: techs
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01...n/10scotus.html?ref=us

Justices Indicate They May Uphold Voter ID Rules

The Bush administration has raised the suspicions of Democrats by making what they call ?voter fraud? a priority for Justice Department enforcement. No prosecution for impersonating a registered voter, the type of fraud that would be prevented by a photo requirement, has ever been brought, however. ?No one has been punished for this kind of fraud in living memory in this country,? Paul M. Smith, a Washington lawyer arguing for the Democrats, told the justices.




Regardless of the constitutionality of requiring a picture i.d., this proves that the whole point of the voter i.d. law was to make it more difficult for some people to vote.
Republicans. Why do they hate Democracy?

You never heard of dead people voting or registering etc?

How the h3ll could they prosecute somebody? Nobody would possibly know who the "criminal" imposter was.

Fern

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: yllus
Nobody's ever wandered into my home and stole everything inside it in my living memory. I'm going to continue leaving the door unlocked.

Good plan techs.

If no one had ever wandered into ANY home in this country than it would be perfectly reasonable to leave your door unlocked.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: techs
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01...n/10scotus.html?ref=us

Justices Indicate They May Uphold Voter ID Rules

The Bush administration has raised the suspicions of Democrats by making what they call ?voter fraud? a priority for Justice Department enforcement. No prosecution for impersonating a registered voter, the type of fraud that would be prevented by a photo requirement, has ever been brought, however. ?No one has been punished for this kind of fraud in living memory in this country,? Paul M. Smith, a Washington lawyer arguing for the Democrats, told the justices.




Regardless of the constitutionality of requiring a picture i.d., this proves that the whole point of the voter i.d. law was to make it more difficult for some people to vote.
Republicans. Why do they hate Democracy?

Please explain how you arrive at such a conclusion.

The ID is to verify who you are.

Why do you belive that it is the Republicans fault w/ respect to providing an ID?
I have had to provide an ID under both types of administrations and for multiple elections.

You should look at this the other way.

Why are these people fighting to allow the ability to commit fraud.? What do they have to gain?

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: techs
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01...n/10scotus.html?ref=us

Justices Indicate They May Uphold Voter ID Rules

The Bush administration has raised the suspicions of Democrats by making what they call ?voter fraud? a priority for Justice Department enforcement. No prosecution for impersonating a registered voter, the type of fraud that would be prevented by a photo requirement, has ever been brought, however. ?No one has been punished for this kind of fraud in living memory in this country,? Paul M. Smith, a Washington lawyer arguing for the Democrats, told the justices.




Regardless of the constitutionality of requiring a picture i.d., this proves that the whole point of the voter i.d. law was to make it more difficult for some people to vote.
Republicans. Why do they hate Democracy?

You never heard of dead people voting or registering etc?

How the h3ll could they prosecute somebody? Nobody would possibly know who the "criminal" imposter was.

Fern

So your saying that dead people are voting? Last I looked no dead person had ever cast a real ballot.

 

[Darwin333]

http://seattletimes.nwsource.c...8181_votingdog22m.html

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: techs
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01...n/10scotus.html?ref=us

Justices Indicate They May Uphold Voter ID Rules

The Bush administration has raised the suspicions of Democrats by making what they call ?voter fraud? a priority for Justice Department enforcement. No prosecution for impersonating a registered voter, the type of fraud that would be prevented by a photo requirement, has ever been brought, however. ?No one has been punished for this kind of fraud in living memory in this country,? Paul M. Smith, a Washington lawyer arguing for the Democrats, told the justices.




Regardless of the constitutionality of requiring a picture i.d., this proves that the whole point of the voter i.d. law was to make it more difficult for some people to vote.
Republicans. Why do they hate Democracy?

You never heard of dead people voting or registering etc?

How the h3ll could they prosecute somebody? Nobody would possibly know who the "criminal" imposter was.

Fern

So your saying that dead people are voting? Last I looked no dead person had ever cast a real ballot.

Head down to South Florida.

Many a mail in ballot and some machine ballots were entered by people that live in a 6x4x4 pine box.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: techs
So your saying that dead people are voting? Last I looked no dead person had ever cast a real ballot.

Yes, they are. I recall that it was confirmed in the 2004 election. You can Google around if you'd like for the details. And it isn't exactly new. Dead folks have been 'voting' for decades.

I think the integrity of the vote should be protected. Folks should be able to vote with complete confidence that their vote is counted, and that only legal, accurate votes are counted alongside it. Anything that could potentially upset either of those scenarios is a disgrace.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: techs
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01...n/10scotus.html?ref=us

Justices Indicate They May Uphold Voter ID Rules

The Bush administration has raised the suspicions of Democrats by making what they call ?voter fraud? a priority for Justice Department enforcement. No prosecution for impersonating a registered voter, the type of fraud that would be prevented by a photo requirement, has ever been brought, however. ?No one has been punished for this kind of fraud in living memory in this country,? Paul M. Smith, a Washington lawyer arguing for the Democrats, told the justices.




Regardless of the constitutionality of requiring a picture i.d., this proves that the whole point of the voter i.d. law was to make it more difficult for some people to vote.
Republicans. Why do they hate Democracy?

You never heard of dead people voting or registering etc?

How the h3ll could they prosecute somebody? Nobody would possibly know who the "criminal" imposter was.

Fern

So your saying that dead people are voting? Last I looked no dead person had ever cast a real ballot.

Umm, sorry but you suck at "looking".

But Indiana officials make the obvious point that, without a photo ID requirement, in-person fraud is "nearly impossible to detect or investigate." A grand jury report prepared by then-Brooklyn District Attorney Elizabeth Holtzman in the 1980s revealed how difficult it is to catch perpetrators. It detailed a massive, 14-year conspiracy in which crews of individuals were recruited to go to polling places and vote in the names of fraudulently registered voters, dead voters, and voters who had moved. "The ease and boldness with which these fraudulent schemes were carried out shows the vulnerability of our entire electoral process to unscrupulous and fraudulent misrepresentation," the report concluded. No indictments were issued thanks to the statute of limitations, and because of grants of immunity in return for testimony.

Even modest in-person voter fraud creates trouble in close races. In Washington state's disputed 2004 governor's race, which was won by 129 votes, the election superintendent in Seattle testified in state court that ineligible felons had voted and votes had been cast in the name of the dead. In Milwaukee, Wis., investigators found that, in the state's close 2004 presidential election, more than 200 felons voted illegally and more than 100 people voted twice. In Florida, where the entire 2000 presidential election was decided by 547 votes, almost 65,000 dead people are still listed on the voter rolls--an engraved invitation to fraud. A New York Daily News investigation in 2006 found that between 400 and 1,000 voters registered in Florida and New York City had voted twice in at least one recent election.

Linky

Fern

 

[Mxylplyx]

I remain very suspicious of democratic stonewalling of attempts to introduce even the most basic security measures to the voting process.

 

[OutHouse]

wtf??? i need a photo id to buy booze but not to vote? you dont see anything wrong with that?

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: Citrix
wtf??? i need a photo id to buy booze but not to vote? you dont see anything wrong with that?

or to drive a car, or to get into an R rated movie, or to buy cigarettes or to cash/use a check or .......

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: techs
So your saying that dead people are voting? Last I looked no dead person had ever cast a real ballot.

Yes, they are. I recall that it was confirmed in the 2004 election. You can Google around if you'd like for the details. And it isn't exactly new. Dead folks have been 'voting' for decades.

I think the integrity of the vote should be protected. Folks should be able to vote with complete confidence that their vote is counted, and that only legal, accurate votes are counted alongside it. Anything that could potentially upset either of those scenarios is a disgrace.

Show me a single dead person who went to the voting booth and voted.

 

[heyheybooboo]

Originally posted by: Citrix
wtf??? i need a photo id to buy booze but not to vote? you dont see anything wrong with that?

The problem is ... 5-10% of this country does not have photoID. And if I have to renew my license and it includes rfid they can kiss my ...

At issue beyond the photoID is wtf is with local and state elections personell ???

If I were a politician and a state elctions bureaucrat appeared before me and said, "We have 65k dead people on state voter rolls."

I'd say, "You're fired."

And then I'd hire someone to purge the rolls.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: techs
So your saying that dead people are voting? Last I looked no dead person had ever cast a real ballot.

Yes, they are. I recall that it was confirmed in the 2004 election. You can Google around if you'd like for the details. And it isn't exactly new. Dead folks have been 'voting' for decades.

I think the integrity of the vote should be protected. Folks should be able to vote with complete confidence that their vote is counted, and that only legal, accurate votes are counted alongside it. Anything that could potentially upset either of those scenarios is a disgrace.

Show me a single dead person who went to the voting booth and voted.

When is the last time you voted? I consider you brain dead...

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: techs
Show me a single dead person who went to the voting booth and voted.

You're either the biggest idiot in these forums or pretending to be at this point. Take your pick.

 

[Jaskalas]

Those who don?t have ID are SUCH an extreme minority they are irrelevant. Those are my feelings on it.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Those who don?t have ID are SUCH an extreme minority they are irrelevant. Those are my feelings on it.

10% of the country is an irrelevant minority?

You people who are claiming that our rights should be restricted with zero evidence as to why are many of the same people who go nuts about government intrusion in other threads. The standard for any law should always be the benefit weighed against the burden. In this case all research points to a negligable benefit if any at all, but there is certainly a measurable burden. By this logic any reasonable person would oppose this law. (except for the Republicans pushing it for partisan advantage in the legislatures)

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
10% of the country is an irrelevant minority?

You people who are claiming that our rights should be restricted with zero evidence as to why are many of the same people who go nuts about government intrusion in other threads. The standard for any law should always be the benefit weighed against the burden. In this case all research points to a negligable benefit if any at all, but there is certainly a measurable burden. By this logic any reasonable person would oppose this law. (except for the Republicans pushing it for partisan advantage in the legislatures)

As I state pretty clearly in every thread, and as is subsequently ignored by everyone opposing this law, Indiana already requires all adults to have a state-issued photo ID, whether or not they are a licensed driver. Therefore, those 10% are already breaking the law if they're living in Indiana and no additional burden is being placed on them to vote.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

As I state pretty clearly in every thread, and as is subsequently ignored by everyone opposing this law, Indiana already requires all adults to have a state-issued photo ID, whether or not they are a licensed driver. Therefore, those 10% are already breaking the law if they're living in Indiana and no additional burden is being placed on them to vote.

Can you please show me a link to this law?

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
10% of the country is an irrelevant minority?

Not counting children under the age of 18? That percentage seems absurd. They don?t own a vehicle, do they even have a job? 10% of adults are homeless living on the street or something?

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: eskimospy
10% of the country is an irrelevant minority?

Not counting children under the age of 18? That percentage seems absurd. They don?t own a vehicle, do they even have a job? 10% of adults are homeless living on the street or something?

No, voting age people. The federal commission on election reform found in 2001 that between 6 and 10 percent of voting age Americans do not have a state issued photo ID. (ie. the one you would need to vote in this case)

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: eskimospy
10% of the country is an irrelevant minority?

Not counting children under the age of 18? That percentage seems absurd. They don?t own a vehicle, do they even have a job? 10% of adults are homeless living on the street or something?

No, voting age people. The federal commission on election reform found in 2001 that between 6 and 10 percent of voting age Americans do not have a state issued photo ID. (ie. the one you would need to vote in this case)

If they don't have an ID, how they fuck do they know that they are Americans? Or legal voters? Are even who they are? Are how many times has the same person been counted multiple times by claiming a different "name" when asked?

It all sounds like so much mushy poop - the underlying data, that is.

GIGO.

edit. I mean how in the h3ll do you even go about proving that someone does NOT have a valid photo ID? Ask them? Geez.

Fern

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: eskimospy
10% of the country is an irrelevant minority?

Not counting children under the age of 18? That percentage seems absurd. They don?t own a vehicle, do they even have a job? 10% of adults are homeless living on the street or something?

No, voting age people. The federal commission on election reform found in 2001 that between 6 and 10 percent of voting age Americans do not have a state issued photo ID. (ie. the one you would need to vote in this case)

And what's fascinating is that 6-10% overwhelmingly votes democrat (often times more than once). Interesting how the democrats have become strict constitutionalists* on this issue and this issue alone.



*which of course there is no "right to privacy" in the constitution. I believe the constitution needs to be amended to define this right.