No plan B contraception available now..

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This is just taking it too far.

..we could not anticipate, or prevent extreme promiscuous behaviors such as the medication taking on an 'urban legend' status that would lead adolescents to form sex-based cults centered around the use of Plan B."

Yea, that's a perfectly sound reason to refuse to make it readily available. More religious ideology and fear backing moronic decisions.

Plan B OTC shot down
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
This is just taking it too far.

..we could not anticipate, or prevent extreme promiscuous behaviors such as the medication taking on an 'urban legend' status that would lead adolescents to form sex-based cults centered around the use of Plan B."

Yea, that's a perfectly sound reason to refuse to make it readily available. More religious ideology and fear backing moronic decisions.

Plan B OTC shot down

This is what you get when you get the Religious in control of Government. Enjoy
 

dahunan

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OMG :laugh: "would lead adolescents to form sex-based cults " :laugh:


damn.. that is too funny -- get him a drug test
 

techs

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Let's face it. The Fundies don't want people to have sex except for procreation.
What we need is a secular government in the U.S.
 

BlancoNino

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I think plan B is a safe and fairly effective birth control method in certain situations (should never be used as a regular birth control method) and I have no problem with teens using it so long as they pay in full and are not handed out at public-subsidized family planning clinics.
 
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Originally posted by: BlancoNino
I think plan B is a safe and fairly effective birth control method in certain situations (should never be used as a regular birth control method) and I have no problem with teens using it so long as they pay in full and are not handed out at public-subsidized family planning clinics.

So someone who can't afford it, shouldn't be able to get it. Maybe it should be the same way for insulin. Yea, I do realize that insulin is a sustaining medication and plan b is not. But you can't have it both ways. It should be available to everyone equally.
If the family on the north shore can get it easily, so should the family in Cabrini Green.
I believe that this drug is intended to be used as a last resort, and prior precautions have either failed or weren't done.
Condoms do break. Rapes happen. So if a 17 year old is schtupping the capt of the football team and his trojan falls off his horse, She can go to CVS and pick up some plan b the next morning and not worry about how to get a maternity prom dress.
But if someone in the projects who relies on welfare and medicaid gets raped or just does the same thing as the 17 year old, she shouldn't be able to get it?
 

BlancoNino

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Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
Originally posted by: BlancoNino
I think plan B is a safe and fairly effective birth control method in certain situations (should never be used as a regular birth control method) and I have no problem with teens using it so long as they pay in full and are not handed out at public-subsidized family planning clinics.

So someone who can't afford it, shouldn't be able to get it. Maybe it should be the same way for insulin. Yea, I do realize that insulin is a sustaining medication and plan b is not. But you can't have it both ways. It should be available to everyone equally.
If the family on the north shore can get it easily, so should the family in Cabrini Green.
I believe that this drug is intended to be used as a last resort, and prior precautions have either failed or weren't done.
Condoms do break. Rapes happen. So if a 17 year old is schtupping the capt of the football team and his trojan falls off his horse, She can go to CVS and pick up some plan b the next morning and not worry about how to get a maternity prom dress.
But if someone in the projects who relies on welfare and medicaid gets raped or just does the same thing as the 17 year old, she shouldn't be able to get it?

Rapes make up such a tiny microscopic percentage of sexual encounters.

If somebody is seeking plan B it means they had sex for leisure purposes. Well leisure activities can cost money like golf for example. Should we open up a center that hands out golf balls for poor people who can't afford to golf?
 
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Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
Originally posted by: BlancoNino
I think plan B is a safe and fairly effective birth control method in certain situations (should never be used as a regular birth control method) and I have no problem with teens using it so long as they pay in full and are not handed out at public-subsidized family planning clinics.

So someone who can't afford it, shouldn't be able to get it. Maybe it should be the same way for insulin. Yea, I do realize that insulin is a sustaining medication and plan b is not. But you can't have it both ways. It should be available to everyone equally.
If the family on the north shore can get it easily, so should the family in Cabrini Green.
I believe that this drug is intended to be used as a last resort, and prior precautions have either failed or weren't done.
Condoms do break. Rapes happen. So if a 17 year old is schtupping the capt of the football team and his trojan falls off his horse, She can go to CVS and pick up some plan b the next morning and not worry about how to get a maternity prom dress.
But if someone in the projects who relies on welfare and medicaid gets raped or just does the same thing as the 17 year old, she shouldn't be able to get it?

Rapes make up such a tiny microscopic percentage of sexual encounters.

If somebody is seeking plan B it means they had sex for leisure purposes. Well leisure activities can cost money like golf for example. Should we open up a center that hands out golf balls for poor people who can't afford to golf?

First of all, rape is not sexual, it's about violence. Secondly, it sounds like you're on the side of the 'teen sex cults'. And comparing health care to golf is beyond the scope of fallacy.
Why not compare it to food? That's a little more accurate.
 

BaliBabyDoc

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Originally posted by: BlancoNino
I think plan B is a safe and fairly effective birth control method in certain situations (should never be used as a regular birth control method) and I have no problem with teens using it so long as they pay in full and are not handed out at public-subsidized family planning clinics.

Uh, Plan B is quite safe and its NOT fairly effective . . . it's quite effective at conception control. If you are curious as to why it's highly unlikely someone would use it as a regular means of conception control . . . ask a woman that's taken it ONCE!

Common side effects associated with the use of Plan B® included nausea, abdominal pain, tiredness, headache, menstrual changes, dizziness, breast tenderness, and vomiting.
Yep, I can see hittin' that bad boy every week.:roll:
 

BlancoNino

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Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
Originally posted by: BlancoNino
I think plan B is a safe and fairly effective birth control method in certain situations (should never be used as a regular birth control method) and I have no problem with teens using it so long as they pay in full and are not handed out at public-subsidized family planning clinics.

So someone who can't afford it, shouldn't be able to get it. Maybe it should be the same way for insulin. Yea, I do realize that insulin is a sustaining medication and plan b is not. But you can't have it both ways. It should be available to everyone equally.
If the family on the north shore can get it easily, so should the family in Cabrini Green.
I believe that this drug is intended to be used as a last resort, and prior precautions have either failed or weren't done.
Condoms do break. Rapes happen. So if a 17 year old is schtupping the capt of the football team and his trojan falls off his horse, She can go to CVS and pick up some plan b the next morning and not worry about how to get a maternity prom dress.
But if someone in the projects who relies on welfare and medicaid gets raped or just does the same thing as the 17 year old, she shouldn't be able to get it?

Rapes make up such a tiny microscopic percentage of sexual encounters.

If somebody is seeking plan B it means they had sex for leisure purposes. Well leisure activities can cost money like golf for example. Should we open up a center that hands out golf balls for poor people who can't afford to golf?

First of all, rape is not sexual, it's about violence. Secondly, it sounds like you're on the side of the 'teen sex cults'. And comparing health care to golf is beyond the scope of fallacy.
Why not compare it to food? That's a little more accurate.

Because we need food to survive.
 

BlancoNino

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Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Originally posted by: BlancoNino
I think plan B is a safe and fairly effective birth control method in certain situations (should never be used as a regular birth control method) and I have no problem with teens using it so long as they pay in full and are not handed out at public-subsidized family planning clinics.

Uh, Plan B is quite safe and its NOT fairly effective . . . it's quite effective at conception control. If you are curious as to why it's highly unlikely someone would use it as a regular means of conception control . . . ask a woman that's taken it ONCE!

Common side effects associated with the use of Plan B® included nausea, abdominal pain, tiredness, headache, menstrual changes, dizziness, breast tenderness, and vomiting.
Yep, I can see hittin' that bad boy every week.:roll:

I agree with you. I used the word fairly because it's percentage isn't as high as the pill, and they claim the percentage drops the longer you wait after sex.

However this doesn't stray from my point that women should still have to pay in full for the drug.
 

BaliBabyDoc

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^^You do realize the primary reason efficacy is a problem is the LACK of EASY access?!

Price isn't going to be an issue. Why? Because every woman will do the same calculation . . .

potential pregnant vs $

$ is going to win even if it strays into the 40s-50s. As for the state, they have a vested interest in facilitating conception control in poor women. As long as the women choose to stay without child, why shouldn't the state pay for it?
 
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Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
Originally posted by: BlancoNino
I think plan B is a safe and fairly effective birth control method in certain situations (should never be used as a regular birth control method) and I have no problem with teens using it so long as they pay in full and are not handed out at public-subsidized family planning clinics.

So someone who can't afford it, shouldn't be able to get it. Maybe it should be the same way for insulin. Yea, I do realize that insulin is a sustaining medication and plan b is not. But you can't have it both ways. It should be available to everyone equally.
If the family on the north shore can get it easily, so should the family in Cabrini Green.
I believe that this drug is intended to be used as a last resort, and prior precautions have either failed or weren't done.
Condoms do break. Rapes happen. So if a 17 year old is schtupping the capt of the football team and his trojan falls off his horse, She can go to CVS and pick up some plan b the next morning and not worry about how to get a maternity prom dress.
But if someone in the projects who relies on welfare and medicaid gets raped or just does the same thing as the 17 year old, she shouldn't be able to get it?

Rapes make up such a tiny microscopic percentage of sexual encounters.

If somebody is seeking plan B it means they had sex for leisure purposes. Well leisure activities can cost money like golf for example. Should we open up a center that hands out golf balls for poor people who can't afford to golf?

First of all, rape is not sexual, it's about violence. Secondly, it sounds like you're on the side of the 'teen sex cults'. And comparing health care to golf is beyond the scope of fallacy.
Why not compare it to food? That's a little more accurate.

Because we need food to survive.

I should have given up on this a while ago. It's like talking to pat robertson.
Medical treatments should be available equally, just because you think like zenny, doesn't make it right.
So, unless someone can pay for it , out of pocket, they should not have access to it, they should give birth, deal with the financial difficulties that it will entail, meanwhile, causing more money to go towards medicaid because she couldn't afford the child in the first place.
That makes craploads of sense.
 

BlancoNino

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Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
^^You do realize the primary reason efficacy is a problem is the LACK of EASY access?!

Price isn't going to be an issue. Why? Because every woman will do the same calculation . . .

potential pregnant vs $

$ is going to win even if it strays into the 40s-50s. As for the state, they have a vested interest in facilitating conception control in poor women. As long as the women choose to stay without child, why shouldn't the state pay for it?

The state shouldn't pay for the birth control. The state shouldn't pay for the child. End of story.
 

BlancoNino

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Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
Originally posted by: BlancoNino
I think plan B is a safe and fairly effective birth control method in certain situations (should never be used as a regular birth control method) and I have no problem with teens using it so long as they pay in full and are not handed out at public-subsidized family planning clinics.

So someone who can't afford it, shouldn't be able to get it. Maybe it should be the same way for insulin. Yea, I do realize that insulin is a sustaining medication and plan b is not. But you can't have it both ways. It should be available to everyone equally.
If the family on the north shore can get it easily, so should the family in Cabrini Green.
I believe that this drug is intended to be used as a last resort, and prior precautions have either failed or weren't done.
Condoms do break. Rapes happen. So if a 17 year old is schtupping the capt of the football team and his trojan falls off his horse, She can go to CVS and pick up some plan b the next morning and not worry about how to get a maternity prom dress.
But if someone in the projects who relies on welfare and medicaid gets raped or just does the same thing as the 17 year old, she shouldn't be able to get it?

Rapes make up such a tiny microscopic percentage of sexual encounters.

If somebody is seeking plan B it means they had sex for leisure purposes. Well leisure activities can cost money like golf for example. Should we open up a center that hands out golf balls for poor people who can't afford to golf?

First of all, rape is not sexual, it's about violence. Secondly, it sounds like you're on the side of the 'teen sex cults'. And comparing health care to golf is beyond the scope of fallacy.
Why not compare it to food? That's a little more accurate.

Because we need food to survive.

I should have given up on this a while ago. It's like talking to pat robertson.
Medical treatments should be available equally, just because you think like zenny, doesn't make it right.
So, unless someone can pay for it , out of pocket, they should not have access to it, they should give birth, deal with the financial difficulties that it will entail, meanwhile, causing more money to go towards medicaid because she couldn't afford the child in the first place.
That makes craploads of sense.

There's no such thing as free health care.
 
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Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
^^You do realize the primary reason efficacy is a problem is the LACK of EASY access?!

Price isn't going to be an issue. Why? Because every woman will do the same calculation . . .

potential pregnant vs $

$ is going to win even if it strays into the 40s-50s. As for the state, they have a vested interest in facilitating conception control in poor women. As long as the women choose to stay without child, why shouldn't the state pay for it?

The state shouldn't pay for the birth control. The state shouldn't pay for the child. End of story.


Should and will are 2 different things, they will pay. And which do you think would be cheaper? A) making her carry through with the birth of the child, medicaid footing the bill for dr appts and such, and the delivery room, then money towards feeding and care of the child OR B) Plan B?

 

BlancoNino

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Should and will are two different things but the principle of the matter isn't. We shouldn't pay for either, and eliminating one is a step in the right direction.
 
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People like you are sickening to me. You wouldn't help someone in need. Have no concept of what it's like to be in need, just know that those people are second class citizens at best. Nice derailment of the thread too. Got me wrapped up in it.
Back on the ranch...
It is a MORONIC reason to stop production of an OTC plan b drug. Pure fear and theocratic reasoning. I hope they go down in flames.
 

Theb

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Bold moves are required to nip this imaginary teen sex cult problem.

Teen Sex Cult would be an awesome name for a band, or a horror movie, or a porno... It's mine, I thought of it.
Teen Sex Cult Copyright 2006 Jeremiah Beck


If you're over 18 and interested in starting a sex cult based around the use of condoms send me a pm.
 

zendari

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Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Because we need food to survive.

I should have given up on this a while ago. It's like talking to pat robertson.
Medical treatments should be available equally, just because you think like zenny, doesn't make it right.
So, unless someone can pay for it , out of pocket, they should not have access to it, they should give birth, deal with the financial difficulties that it will entail, meanwhile, causing more money to go towards medicaid because she couldn't afford the child in the first place.
That makes craploads of sense.

This "treatment" is completely optional and voluntary behavior.

Maybe the government should give me free LASIK to help me improve my CS aim.
 

zendari

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Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Originally posted by: BlancoNino
I think plan B is a safe and fairly effective birth control method in certain situations (should never be used as a regular birth control method) and I have no problem with teens using it so long as they pay in full and are not handed out at public-subsidized family planning clinics.

Uh, Plan B is quite safe and its NOT fairly effective . . . it's quite effective at conception control. If you are curious as to why it's highly unlikely someone would use it as a regular means of conception control . . . ask a woman that's taken it ONCE!

Common side effects associated with the use of Plan B® included nausea, abdominal pain, tiredness, headache, menstrual changes, dizziness, breast tenderness, and vomiting.
Yep, I can see hittin' that bad boy every week.:roll:

If it's to be used to infrequently girls can pay for it themselves.
 

LumbergTech

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Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Because we need food to survive.

I should have given up on this a while ago. It's like talking to pat robertson.
Medical treatments should be available equally, just because you think like zenny, doesn't make it right.
So, unless someone can pay for it , out of pocket, they should not have access to it, they should give birth, deal with the financial difficulties that it will entail, meanwhile, causing more money to go towards medicaid because she couldn't afford the child in the first place.
That makes craploads of sense.

This "treatment" is completely optional and voluntary behavior.

Maybe the government should give me free LASIK to help me improve my CS aim.

except that your cs aim has no effect on society, as where unwanted children do....the cost of unwanted children is much greater than what this pill would cost..use your damn brain
 

zendari

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Originally posted by: LumbergTech
Originally posted by: zendari
This "treatment" is completely optional and voluntary behavior.

Maybe the government should give me free LASIK to help me improve my CS aim.

except that your cs aim has no effect on society, as where unwanted children do....the cost of unwanted children is much greater than what this pill would cost..use your damn brain
Not engaging in activities to produce unwanted children is free.