"no P2P" at colleges

[dpopiz]

my university says that if I have copyrighted material on my computer or "the means to distribute it such as P2P software", my connection will be suspended for 30 days.

that's rediculous to outlaw P2P software altogether because plenty of people use it legit. are they just trying to scrare us or is there actually any way they could know that I'm using a P2P app?

 

[n0cmonkey]

Shouldn't you know how to spell ridiculous by the time you make it to university? Maybe you need to spend more time studying.

By the way, it's easy to figure out when someone is using a p2p application.

 

[dpopiz]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkeyBy the way, it's easy to figure out when someone is using a p2p application.

how?

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: dpopiz

Originally posted by: n0cmonkeyBy the way, it's easy to figure out when someone is using a p2p application.

how?

By watching the traffic going by on the wire.

 

[nweaver]

The very few legit users are a small percent, and not affected nearly as much by this then the illegal use. If I can torrent a linux distro, I can download the ISO from ftp too, may just be a small bit slower.

I have seen netmon apps that will show the filenames/types being transferred.

 

[JackMDS]

"Because plenty of people use it legit".

In my university when two (plenty) people explained why they need p2p they got permission to use it.

May be you want to try to explain your legit reason too.

:sun:

 

[imported_Phil]

Originally posted by: dpopiz
my university says that if I have copyrighted material on my computer or "the means to distribute it such as P2P software", my connection will be suspended for 30 days.

that's rediculous to outlaw P2P software altogether because plenty of people use it legit. are they just trying to scrare us or is there actually any way they could know that I'm using a P2P app?

They're not outlawing P2P, dumbass.

They're saying that you can't use P2P to distribute copyrighted material. n0cmonkey's right, more time studying.

 

[Fardringle]

Even legitimate P2P and Bittorrent use takes up a lot of extremely expensive bandwidth on the school's Internet connection (most institutions pay for the amount of bandwidth used). So even if there is a 'legitimate' personal reason for it, many schools will still block it. However, if you have a legitimate educational reason for needing access, most admins will give you the permission you need if you ask them nicely.

 

[Fresh Daemon]

Not to mention the fact that since most P2P traffic is in illegal material or pirated software, this poses a risk for virii and trojans to get into the university network - not something that most admins are too excited about.

 

[spidey07]

Their network, their rules.

I say block any P2P applications in anyway shape or form, no matter what it is being used for. Too much risk.

oh - and yeah, you can easily spot P2P software/activity.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Solution to the problems: Setup an on-campus p2p server. Local traffic typically (please correct me if I'm wrong, I don't have the Uni experience some of the others here have) doesn't get monitored, shaped, or restricted as well as traffic going to the internet. Unless 90+% of university students are carbon copies listening to the same music, watching the same movies, investing in the same art, etc. there should be a good selection of materials to enjoy right there in your dorm. :Q

 

[Corporate Thug]

so dpopiz, what legit way were u planning on using p2p for that you can otherwise acheive in another manner?

 

[imported_Phil]

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug
so dpopiz, what legit way were u planning on using p2p for that you can otherwise acheive in another manner?

Lots and lots of Linux ISOs...

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: dpopiz
my university says that if I have copyrighted material on my computer or "the means to distribute it such as P2P software", my connection will be suspended for 30 days.

that's rediculous to outlaw P2P software altogether because plenty of people use it legit. are they just trying to scrare us or is there actually any way they could know that I'm using a P2P app?

Go to another Country.

The U.S. is sad when it comes to technology.

 

[nweaver]

Let me rip off all your hard work for free and see how you feel then. I wont say that the RIAA isn't going to extremes, and that music isn't overpriced, but it's still their hard work making the music, or programmers making the program/OS that are being traded on P2P. I work in the software industry, and I charge a lot of money to find defects/bugs in S/W. If you then pirate that S/W, then you are indirectly stealing from me, and I take a dislike to that. I do think that licensing/rights to digital media need looked at and modified (most are out of date, or just dumb).

Again, let me come just rip off whatever it is that makes you money, and see if you have the same feelings.

 

[royce]

try dc++

 

[MangoTBG]

Originally posted by: nweaver
Let me rip off all your hard work for free and see how you feel then. I wont say that the RIAA isn't going to extremes, and that music isn't overpriced, but it's still their hard work making the music, or programmers making the program/OS that are being traded on P2P. I work in the software industry, and I charge a lot of money to find defects/bugs in S/W. If you then pirate that S/W, then you are indirectly stealing from me, and I take a dislike to that. I do think that licensing/rights to digital media need looked at and modified (most are out of date, or just dumb).

Again, let me come just rip off whatever it is that makes you money, and see if you have the same feelings.

cry me a river buddy

 

[nweaver]

So lets say you build houses. How about if I come, take a house and don't pay you for you work.....then you can cry me a river.

I don't disagree that many licensing schemes don't work well, but to pirate and steal is wrong. I don't care if you do it because you want to "make a statment" or "I only use it a little". It's stealing. Pirating XP is no different the stealing a car. When you steal a car, you effect everyone, not just the owner, through increased taxes to pay for police, court systems, insurance, etc.


Let me steal your car, and you can cry me a river.

 

[MangoTBG]

Originally posted by: nweaver
So lets say you build houses. How about if I come, take a house and don't pay you for you work.....then you can cry me a river.

I don't disagree that many licensing schemes don't work well, but to pirate and steal is wrong. I don't care if you do it because you want to "make a statment" or "I only use it a little". It's stealing. Pirating XP is no different the stealing a car. When you steal a car, you effect everyone, not just the owner, through increased taxes to pay for police, court systems, insurance, etc.


Let me steal your car, and you can cry me a river.

Again, your LAME attempts at rationalizing how warez is like stealing a house or how "pirating XP is no different than stealing a car" only amuse me.

 

[nweaver]

How is it different? I work in the S/W industry, so when someone pirates, it's taking money that belongs to me or my partners. Stealing is stealing, why is WHAT you steal make it right or wrong? Why may be another story, but unless you are eating those electronic bits, I am not going to care about why.

 

[okb]

Mango must be one of the "freedom fighters" looking out for us all. Ok then, if a house isn't good enough for you, what about going to a store and stealing clothes? Yeah there's lots out there and they may be overpriced, and ok you wouldn't normally buy that brand so they wouldn't have gotten your money anyways right? No harm done. So what if the store has to jack prices to add more security to deter stealing and to pay for legal costs when they eventually prosecute shoplifters or for security guards....remind me again how stealing software on the Internet is different from any other kind of theft? Oh that's right, it's not.

Tell us all then, because we're very interested (I am at least) how you can justify stealing Windows XP. Maybe you're "trying it out"? If that's the case, I'll hotwire your care and take it for a joy ride and when the cops toss me in jail I'll just tell them I was trying it out before I bought one. It's funny how because something is intangible people think it's ok, I chalk it up to a lack of respect that's plaguing our society today, but that's a topic for another day.

Schools have every right to disable any and all protocols/ports they don't want running on their network. We've gotten extremely distorted perception of the Internet that it's this great place with no laws or boundaries, a place where we can be whoever we want and do whatever we want, because there's nobody to do anything about it. Now that there is we complain because "it's our right" or something equally irrelevant. The plain fact of the matter is that the school owns that network, you have the PRIVILEGE NOT THE RIGHT to use it. If you don't like it well then they'd have no problem disabling your account for you. 10 years ago networks weren't nearly as prolific, 20 years ago there were none....what do you think people did back then?

 

[nweaver]

studied?

 

[okb]

Other things maybe.

 

[Cheetah8799]

In regards to blocking P2P stuff at a university. I used to work at a small college, and you wouldn't belive how much traffic gets used up by this type of use! Bandwidth costs the IT department a LOT of money! Often times up to half or more of the bandwidth gets eaten up by P2P traffic. I bet your school's IT folks have bandwith reporting tools, and if they are anything like what we had at our school, you'd understand the need to block it.

Plus there is the issue of your school being hounded by the RIAA and MPAA because students are pulling down MP3s and DVD rips. That means the school has to spend a ton more money on lawyers to deal with it.

In the end, you should be happy that they are blocking people from using P2P! They are trying to keep your tuition bills down!


After all that, if you still think you should be allowed to use certain services, then you should contact the IT director and find out how you can talk with them about it.

 

[MangoTBG]

Hello class. My name is Mr. Mango, I'll be your substitute teacher, today. Now I know it's your first day of school, but do any of any wacky questions for me to start out on?

if a house isn't good enough for you, what about going to a store and stealing clothes?

Stealing is stealing, son. If all you kids start naming off different situations which vary only by the smallest degree, I'm going to start getting angry. Here, this might help the situation if I make this statement for you.

Walking in to ANY store and "stealing" (as you so cleverly put it. You're so clever!) ANY merchandise is stealing!

Yeah there's lots out there and they may be overpriced, and ok you wouldn't normally buy that brand so they wouldn't have gotten your money anyways right?

Are you still talking about that damned "what if" story? I like how you automatically ASSUME what my points are going to be? You see...the funny thing is I haven't spoken out about my stance on piracy. This time assuming will only make an ASS out of U...not me.

No harm done.

No harm, no foul.

So what if the store has to jack prices to add more security to deter stealing and to pay for legal costs when they eventually prosecute shoplifters or for security guards...

I'm sorry, but companies do not jack prices up solely because of piracy. You honestly want to sit here and tell me that your copy of XP would have been any cheaper? We aren't talking about the same monopoly, are we? The fact is you're willing to pay $XXX.XX for it, and THEY know it.

remind me again how stealing software on the Internet is different from any other kind of theft?

Finally you ask a good question. You see, I've been laughing at these pathetic attempts to rationalize how piracy is the equivalent to larceny. First off, let's make some definitions, shall we? A matter of fact, here's Lesson One (it's time to start taking notes, class):

I like this definition of Larceny, but you can choose your own:

Larceny - The unlawful taking or carrying away of personal property with intent to deprive the owner of his property.
Piracy - the unauthorized duplication of goods protected by intellectual property law

You see, never once did I condone piracy. The fact is, piracy is wrong. I agree. However, piracy is not larceny. Stop trying to prove how they are the same.

Oh that's right, it's not.

Are you still talking back to your teacher? Wear your dunce cap for the rest of the day.

Tell us all then, because we're very interested (I am at least) how you can justify stealing Windows XP.

My version of windows is quite legal, thank you. Stop making yourself look like an ass...an ass wearing a dunce cap.

Maybe you're "trying it out"? If that's the case, I'll hotwire your care and take it for a joy ride and when the cops toss me in jail I'll just tell them I was trying it out before I bought one.

**COUGH**that's larceny (grand larceny) fool**COUGH**

Maybe I can help you with your fictional story that proves a point. If you REALLY want to relate stealing a car off someone's property and pirating software, I'll help you out...

I walk on to your neighbor's property *because he invited me* where an EXACT COPY of your minivan is located. Note, not YOUR MINIVAN...A COPY OF YOUR MINIVAN. (isn't this story getting weird?) Your neighbor says to me "Hey, want a copy of this copy of okb's minivan?" I say to the man, "Sure." I then ride home in a copy of a copy of your minivan.

Number of minivans that okb owns before: 1
Number of minivans that okb owns after: 1
A difference of: 0

How is piracy STEALING again?

It's funny how because something is intangible people think it's ok, I chalk it up to a lack of respect that's plaguing our society today, but that's a topic for another day.

Obviously, you aren't speaking to me, now. Respect has nothing to do with this, but since we're saving this convo for another day's lesson then I'll through out what I think it has to do with...and then say nothing more about it

I think it has to do with Group Think.

Originally posted by: okb
Mango must be one of the "freedom fighters" looking out for us all.

And to think...Everyday I was protecting you guys and I never recieved any thanks or praise! Thank you for recognizing my efforts!

Class dismissed