No one is forcing you to read it but: How Sony is treating their "fans:"

CZroe

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OK, I'm posting this publicly thanks to how I have been treated despite having demonstrated myself to be the kind of customer who deserves at least a bit more attention. I hope this generates action. Don't complain about the length or complexity. No one is forcing you to read it and I'm only posting it publicly for anyone looking to see how they handle customers.

This is the division of Sony known as Sony Ericsson until less than a year ago. These are the SE devices I demonstrably purchased in relation to my request:
Sony Ericsson MBW150
Sony Ericsson MBW150 (yes, a second one)
Sony Ericsson MBW200
Sony Ericsson Xperia PLAY 4G (R800at)
Sony Ericsson EP900 (gang-charger)
Sony Ericsson BST41 (spare battery)
Sony Ericsson DK300 (dock)
Sony Ericsson LiveView
Sony Ericsson LiveView (yes, a second one)
Sony Ericsson Xperia PLAY official hardcase pouch

I also have:
The official music cable (not a good fit with the dock)
Sony Ericsson official replacement battery door/housing (color switch)
Sony Ericsson Xperia PLAY dummy phone
Sony Ericsson USB cable (fits old phone docks and the MBW chargers)

IOW, I turned into a Sony/Sony-Ericsson consumer WHORE just so I could use their MBW150 on my motorcycle and then this is how they treat me:

Hello. I contacted you for support on my malfunctioning Sony Ericsson MBW-150 Bluetooth wristwatch. The display is not visible and it is still within warranty. I contacted you about this many weeks ago and I am confused, disappointed, and upset with the response I received. I am returning here because the email responses inexplicably stopped when I discussed this with you before as if the issue were resolved. It has not been resolved. Please take care, read carefully, and do not prematurely end our interaction.

Due to the lack of action, I am going to have to give a lengthy, detailed, complete, and inescapable explanation of the issue, the surrounding situation, and the previous interaction.

To explain, I own THREE Sony Ericsson Bluetooth watches. All three have issues and all three are within warranty, but I only want support on ONE of them! Late last year I purchased the MBW-150 for myself and the MBW-200 for a coworker. I also purchased a Sony Ericsson Xperia PLAY 4G (R800at) to use it with because it did not work well with my Apple iPhone 4. After seeing the MBW-150, the coworker preferred that style and wanted one of those instead of the MBW-200, so I ordered another MBW-150. The coworker never paid for it and the display on my original MBW-150 was already failing, so I kept it as a backup and have all three. Hoping for better results with a newer product, I later bought two Sony Ericsson LiveView Bluetooth display devices (worn like a Bluetooth watch; one for me, one for a friend) but I found that they would not stay connected to any of the phones we tried them with and they would not work with gloves on (a big reason for buying ALL of this was being able to control music playback on a motorcycle while wearing gloves).

The MBW-200 had issues right out of the box (charger doesn't work) and the displays on both MBW-150 watches faded and became impossible to read within months. It seems that this is a common problem online, and that is another reason why I decided to keep both (twice the "longevity"). Now that this is established, let me just say that I am ONLY asking for service (refund, replacement, or repair) on ONE of the MBW-150 watches. I am not asking for anything else. You guys get off easy. What a deal! Right? JUST DON'T BLOW ME OFF AGAIN. I'm already going public with this one so that everyone can see how you treat loyal customers spending hundreds of dollars on your products while convincing friends, family, coworkers, and more to buy them (the other LiveView was for someone who was a stranger to me previously). Indeed, even since being ignored/forgotten by you, I've showed it off to many more people and interested them as well.

I originally mentioned some of these other products and issues hoping to prove loyalty, put my issues and request in perspective (more than reasonable request), and to make sure that I am not offered an inappropriate replacement (do not want and could not use another LiveView; a refund or Sony SmartWatch would be fine), I also did not mention them all until a later response and, even then, I did not mention the second LiveView. Don't blame me for getting overly-complicated or confusing like you are forcing me to do now (sorry). Last time I initiated this with a very short message:
"Hello. The display has faded completely on my Sony Ericsson MBW-150 and the charger never worked on my MBW-200. Both are within warranty. Please tell me how I can obtain service. Thanks!"
Simple, right? I didn't even mention that I have TWO MBW-150 wrist watches or any other Sony Ericsson products because I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO. I was then told to provide proof of purchase information showing that both were within the 12-month warranty and I was told that they could only be replaced by similar products instead of being repaired. I provided the requested proof and mentioned my other products so that I would not get another Sony Ericsson LiveView as the "similar replacement." I even dropped my request of getting support for the MBW-200 because I was able to charge with charger from other watches and I knew that you would not have a replacement. I clearly stated as much and did not provide POP for that unit, but a representative responded by telling me that you didn't have a replacement charger for the MBW-200 and to buy one on eBay.

I wanted warranty service for my MBW-150 and not the MBW-200. I thought "OK. Someone got confused. That's fine. I'll simply clarify and mention yet another Sony Ericsson product I purchased as part of this mess so that they will not ignore me" (R800at; the POP also showed *official* R800at accessory purchases). Here's how I replied:

"I think you misunderstood. I ordered two MBW-150 watches, one MBW-200 watch, and a LiveView. All four are under warranty but I am seeking service for the MBW-150 with the non functional display. I am not seeking service for the MBW-200 with the charger issue or the second MBW-150 that I originally sold (also developed the faded display). I mentioned the LiveView and it's inadequacies in case you were considering replacing the MBW-150 with that. I mentioned the other issues purely to strengthen my case and demonstrate a loyalty that is on the line here, though I should not have to. As you can see in the proof of purchase, I also own a Sony Ericsson Xperia PLAY 4G (R800at), which has disappointed me (no promised panorama, swipe keyboard, screenshot function, Ice Cream Sandwich update, camera flash fix, etc). I know you can't address those concerns, but please address the comparitively small concern that is my MBW-150."

What happened? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Even though I was not looking for support with the MBW-200, your support completely stopped responding after telling me to buy an MBW-200 accessory. It's as if the support ticket were closed. They never said it was closed and I never got a message saying so when I responded, so I waited. Weeks later I still have not received anything. I guess it was closed prematurely without confirmation from me or even a tiny bit of effort to properly understand and help the atypical customer who has proven to be particularly worth retaining. How is that any way to run a business?!

I am only looking for help with ONE of the MBW-150 watches and am not looking for service on the MBW-200 or second MBW-150 at all, so the least you can do is listen to your loyal customer and not terminate this support ticket prematurely.
 
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CZroe

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Sounds to me like you should had stopped after buying the first one.

I bought them all at about the same time. I didn't know about any of the issues until I had ordered all three. They were $50-$60 instead of the $500 they once cost, so I'm not even asking all that much! Refund my $50 or send me a $50 SmartWatch. I paid $50 and $25 for the two LiveViews, and that is the predecessor. It may not do what I want, but I'm already in too deep and just want something that works or I want my $50 back.
 
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CLIFFS: OP has bought multiple sony products in the past; Sony's service is lacking when OP tried to make sure of warranty on a failing product.
 

Number1

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Wow....:rolleyes:

You think you got them confused?
You think they might have misunderstood you?
No shit sherlock.

Are you a lawyer? Who the hell write like this:

"These are the SE devices I demonstrably purchased in relation to my request"

"Due to the lack of action, I am going to have to give a lengthy, detailed, complete, and inescapable explanation of the issue, the surrounding situation, and the previous interaction."

LOL

All this nonsense and all you want is support for one item.......

Get lost.
 

sygyzy

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I agree with Number1. May I ask how old you are? Your writing screams of someone who lacks quality writing experience (grasp of the English language), but is trying to appear much smarter than he/she really is.
 

CZroe

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Wow....:rolleyes:

You think you got them confused?
You think they might have misunderstood you?
No shit sherlock.

Are you a lawyer? Who the hell write like this:

"These are the SE devices I demonstrably purchased in relation to my request"

"Due to the lack of action, I am going to have to give a lengthy, detailed, complete, and inescapable explanation of the issue, the surrounding situation, and the previous interaction."

LOL

All this nonsense and all you want is support for one item.......

Get lost.
You act like it started like this. Nope. This is the shaming. I just sent it. They haven't responded yet. I don't "think" anything of the sort for the original conversation. As explained, this was my original message:
"Hello. The display has faded completely on my Sony Ericsson MBW-150 and the charger never worked on my MBW-200. Both are within warranty. Please tell me how I can obtain service. Thanks!"
How does that confuse them? They responded and asked for proof of purchase in JPG format for BOTH devices and let me know what they could do. I complied and let them know which solution I preferred. I'm not going through all this again and I'm not giving it the chance to end the same way, so of course I'm going to cover my bases. I don't care if they are confused this time. They dropped the ball badly the first time. No matter how much extra information there is this time, I make it very clear just how little I am asking and the rest is just showing what kind of customer they are trying to please.
 
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CZroe

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I agree with Number1. May I ask how old you are? Your writing screams of someone who lacks quality writing experience (grasp of the English language), but is trying to appear much smarter than he/she really is.

why arent you critiquing the people on this forum who type like this (<--No, punctuation, no capitalization, no question mark on a question)

Ask yourself why this was posted. It wasn't posted to criticize my new message, but to document their poor response to my original issue. Now, what was wrong with that conversation? What did I do wrong then?
 
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CZroe

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If not then, when now?
WHEN DEMONSTRABLY NOW?!

I edited it from "in that one" and forgot to delete a word. :rolleyes: Big deal.

I was also editing a previous post. I can't just snap my fingers and have them all fixed at once.

Oh: SCREW YOU
 
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Newbian

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why arent you critiquing the people on this forum who type like this (<--No, punctuation, no capitalization, no question mark on a question)

Ask yourself why this was posted. It wasn't posted to criticize my new message, but to document their poor response to my original issue. Now, what was wrong with that conversation? What did I do wrong in then?

Probably because people can understand what you are saying without capitalization and punctuation but with what you have done makes it that much harder to read for the people in support over in India. :p
 

CZroe

Lifer
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Probably because people can understand what you are saying without capitalization and punctuation but with what you have done makes it that much harder to read for the people in support over in India. :p
I obviously no longer care how hard it is and said so. Escalate.

Also, I used a question as an example because I see questions that are almost impossible to tell from statements/opinions all the time. It's a problem even with punctuation if they are still using the wrong punctuation (often, a period). It particularly harms comprehension.
 

Soundmanred

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Probably because people can understand what you are saying without capitalization and punctuation but with what you have done makes it that much harder to read for the people in support over in India. :p

Yup, they're thinking "those damn Nigerians got a new dictionary & thesaurus set and are fucking with us again".
 
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OverVolt

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Its because Japans economy is bad. I welcome our new Samsung and Hyundai overlords.
 

CZroe

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Yup, they're thinking "those damn Nigerians got a new dictionary & thesaurus set and are fucking with us again".

Comma splice. Protect the little guys. ;)

Its because Japans economy is bad. I welcome our new Samsung and Hyundai overlords.
If only they would make a Bluetooth watch with music controls that doesn't require touch input. :(

I would prefer one that looks like a traditional wristwatch, but I'd settle for a simply functional one. The MBW-series was supposedly designed by Fossil, known for designer watches, so they nailed it in that regard. The OLED display ones with touch input (LiveView; SmartWatch) sould have Up, Down, Left, Right, Select input with a mechanical click on the four edges + center with touch simply used to swipe/scroll.

Even Casio's upcoming watch won't do music controls. As part of the gaudy G-Shock series, it looks terrible. I'd tolerate it anyway if it had music controls. There hasn't been a true alternative to the MBW series since 2007.
 
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twinrider1

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1. Item in question is under warranty.
2. Everything else is extraneous and only serves to cloud the issue.

Focus on the goal. Spend no time on being confused, disappointed, and upset.
 

CZroe

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1. Item in question is under warranty.
2. Everything else is extraneous and only serves to cloud the issue.

Focus on the goal. Spend no time on being confused, disappointed, and upset.

Thanks. Tried that already. Didn't work. Trying something else. The complete story is there because this is now public.
 
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Baked

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I tend to buy a lot of Sony devices giving the options through out the years. From TV to radio, gaming machines, and personal music players (CD, MD, MP3). They've all been top of the line devices. I rarely have issues with Sony products and for the ones where I had to call in for warranty, the return was easy and swift.

OP, you got issues.
 

Kyle

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Thanks. Tried that already. Didn't work. Trying something else. The complete story is there because this is now public.

Unfortunately who ever gets that email is just going to skim over that wall of text and roll their eyes...
 

CZroe

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Unfortunately who ever gets that email is just going to skim over that wall of text and roll their eyes...

And lose a customer while risking their job knowing full well that it's public and risking more customers.

If you've ever answered tech support emails from the general public then you know that even the shortest emails can be impossible to read/understand. You are still expected to act professionally and get to the root of the problem one way or the other. You can't just ignore it.
 
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OverVolt

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I tend to buy a lot of Sony devices giving the options through out the years. From TV to radio, gaming machines, and personal music players (CD, MD, MP3). They've all been top of the line devices. I rarely have issues with Sony products and for the ones where I had to call in for warranty, the return was easy and swift.

OP, you got issues.

Yes my sony devices from the 90's still work great too :awe:
 

twinrider1

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1. Item in question is under warranty.
2. Everything else is extraneous and only serves to cloud the issue.

Focus on the goal. Spend no time on being confused, disappointed, and upset.

Thanks. Tried that already. Didn't work. Trying something else. The complete story is there because this is now public.

Hello. I contacted you for support on my malfunctioning Sony Ericsson MBW-150 Bluetooth wristwatch. The display is not visible and it is still within warranty. I contacted you about this many weeks ago and I am confused, disappointed, and upset with the response I received. I am returning here because the email responses inexplicably stopped when I discussed this with you before as if the issue were resolved. It has not been resolved. Please take care, read carefully, and do not prematurely end our interaction.
BOLD ADDED

The complete story isn't there. I would like to read your original dialogue with Sony, before they inexplicably stopped.
 

CZroe

Lifer
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Hello. I contacted you for support on my malfunctioning Sony Ericsson MBW-150 Bluetooth wristwatch. The display is not visible and it is still within warranty. I contacted you about this many weeks ago and I am confused, disappointed, and upset with the response I received. I am returning here because the email responses inexplicably stopped when I discussed this with you before as if the issue were resolved. It has not been resolved. Please take care, read carefully, and do not prematurely end our interaction.
BOLD ADDED

The complete story isn't there. I would like to read your original dialogue with Sony, before they inexplicably stopped.
"Hello. The display has faded completely on my Sony Ericsson MBW-150 and the charger never worked on my MBW-200. Both are within warranty. Please tell me how I can obtain service. Thanks!"

It's quoted right there in the message. Short. Sweet. Specific. That was everything I said when I initiated contact the first time. You know I can't post their side of that conversation publicly.

When they told me that they couldn't repair them and asked for POP on both watches, I decided to keep the MBW200. I happened to have a work-around for its issue and I wanted to make sure I kept at least one device that works for my intended use. I sent the proof of purchase for the other exactly as requested and basically told them not to send a LiveView like their last message indicated they might do. I had not mentioned a LiveView or SmartWatch before then but it was likely what I would get as the "similar replacement" if I didn't say anything. It was only recently replaced with the SmartWatch.
 
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