No New Graphics Architectures in 2008, says AMD

[RussianSensation]

On the heels of news that AMD plans to return to operating profitability...(AMD blames ATI for its problems, of course Phenom's flop isn't mentioned)

...the "rumored" news that there will be no R700 in 2008 is devasting to say the least.

Key points:

-- Advanced Micro Devices revealed during its Analyst Day that it has no plans to release a new family of graphics processing units (GPUs) in 2008, as planned.

-- ATI R700-family of products will only be available in 2009.

-- AMD decided not to release its AMD RD800-series chipsets in 2008 as well as the new GPU family

-- The reasons behind the delay of ATI R700 are unclear, but are believed to be related to AMD?s intention to cut down the research and development (R&D) expenses.

Source: XbitLabs - Dec 14. 2007

That's not good news at all. Another year of NV's dominance would mean sky high prices on GF9 like was the case with GF8, no new mid-range ATI offerings to compete with mid-range GF9 and possibly ATI's worst counter-offensive of selling 3850/3870s in multi-gpu form to remain competitive, which surely counts them out of the performance crown.

 

[j0j081]

lol.

 

[CP5670]

At least it's useful to know something like this so far in advance. When the GF9 series cards comes out, more people may decide to pay the high prices for it if they're likely to remain that way for some time. I would have bought an 8800GTX back when it came out if I had known that it would stay at the top for over a year.

 

[Keysplayr]

This might mean AMD is pulling resources toward Fusion.

 

[LightningRider]

If this is true then I hope the GF9 still comes out in February as is rumored. We need a new high end.

 

[njdevilsfan87]

What the hell is AMD blaming ATI for. I actually blame AMD for the problems ATI was/is having.

 

[taltamir]

Originally posted by: njdevilsfan87
What the hell is AMD blaming ATI for. I actually blame AMD for the problems ATI was/is having.

agreed... ATI is the BEST amd has to offer right now... maybe they should fire hector, they could hire 24 engineers with his salary... and if the 10 mil BENEFITS figure is true then another 200 engineers with that...

And ouch. The geforce 9 comes out in less then two monthes, the 38xx series cant even compete with the geforce 8 series... And they are now telling us there will be no new card for over a year?

Thats the end then... nvidia has won because AMD just threw the towel... I guess I would buy a GF9 then knowing that the next gen will be horrible delayed and overpriced due to the complete lack of any competition. sad day it is when competition disappears from the market.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: taltamir

Originally posted by: njdevilsfan87
What the hell is AMD blaming ATI for. I actually blame AMD for the problems ATI was/is having.

agreed... ATI is the BEST amd has to offer right now... maybe they should fire hector, they could hire 24 engineers with his salary... and if the 10 mil BENEFITS figure is true then another 200 engineers with that...

And ouch. The geforce 9 comes out in less then two monthes, the 38xx series cant even compete with the geforce 8 series... And they are now telling us there will be no new card for over a year?

Thats the end then... nvidia has won because AMD just threw the towel... I guess I would buy a GF9 then knowing that the next gen will be horrible delayed and overpriced due to the complete lack of any competition. sad day it is when competition disappears from the market.

Not to menion that there's no real pressure for Nvidia to release a card that performs up to what we need. We NEED a card that can Run DX10 Crysis and other DX10 titles at framerates above 50fps solidly with everything maxed. It's just not going to happen for a very long time now it seems.

Unless this report is false that is.

Maybe it's time to break back into console gaming, supposedly Ninja Gaiden 2, Metal Gear Solid 4, and Final Fantasy XIII will be released this comming year. All could and probably will be delayed again however.

 

[LightningRider]

Hector's really pissing me off. I mean, how did he get to where he is? He just makes dumb decisions and stupid statements.

Poor AMD, they don't deserve this.

 

[n7]

The end is nigh?

I dunno, but AMD = wow, they got nuthin'

ATI is the only good thing they had going, but it seems they're determined to screw that up.

I completely gave up on AMD a few months ago...really sad to see them dig their hole so deep.

 

[taltamir]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: taltamir

Originally posted by: njdevilsfan87
What the hell is AMD blaming ATI for. I actually blame AMD for the problems ATI was/is having.

agreed... ATI is the BEST amd has to offer right now... maybe they should fire hector, they could hire 24 engineers with his salary... and if the 10 mil BENEFITS figure is true then another 200 engineers with that...

And ouch. The geforce 9 comes out in less then two monthes, the 38xx series cant even compete with the geforce 8 series... And they are now telling us there will be no new card for over a year?

Thats the end then... nvidia has won because AMD just threw the towel... I guess I would buy a GF9 then knowing that the next gen will be horrible delayed and overpriced due to the complete lack of any competition. sad day it is when competition disappears from the market.

Not to menion that there's no real pressure for Nvidia to release a card that performs up to what we need. We NEED a card that can Run DX10 Crysis and other DX10 titles at framerates above 50fps solidly with everything maxed. It's just not going to happen for a very long time now it seems.

Unless this report is false that is.

Maybe it's time to break back into console gaming, supposedly Ninja Gaiden 2, Metal Gear Solid 4, and Final Fantasy XIII will be released this comming year. All could and probably will be delayed again however.

Five minutes after I made this post I thought the same... I have been an avid PC gamer ever since I was 6 years old (playing DIGGER...) But if competition for the PC market dies out, which I am seeing happening right now, then I will just have to start using a console for gaming... with MS joining in and nintendo back in the picture we have never had so much competition in that market...

I would FINALLY be able to use linux (since the only thing keeping me on windows is games) and have to upgrade my computer much MUCH less often... since it will be a word process / media player only.

Best case scenario is a VERY slow year with 2008 with 2009 bringing AMD with a budget oriented fusion system (a 2GPU , 2CPU core chip), nvidia releasing a CPU, and intel releasing a GPU... Wouldn't that be neat

 

[Cheex]

Originally posted by: j0j081
lol.

lol.

I've always been Intel/Nvidia so I'm a winner.

Don't flame me or call me a fanboy though. I did own both an AMD processor and an ATI video card. Both worked quite well. Intel/Nvidia is just a preference.


On a more serious note though:

It really IS sad to see the competition in the market waning. This does not bode well for us.

Nvidia will now either just sit on their arses and do nothing to please the high end gaming market or delay us all the way to hell with their complacency.

:brokenheart:

 

[Sylvanas]

Well if rumours are anything to go by it seems AMD still plans to launch the R680 next year but still a new archietecture would be much....much better. I guess I'll end up buying whatever can run Crysis @ very high 1920x1200....hope this GF9 comes to fruition.

 

[Cheex]

At the rate they are going, if Nvidia released a CPU and Intel a GPU, I think I'd be SOLD just at the thought of them crossing those treacherous lines....

 

[Mana]

Who knows, the other side of the coin is that perhaps AMD is trying to reposition itself to fight better in 2009 rather than rush to market with products that aren't necessarily bad, but aren't great either. It didn't work for them this year, and if they tried it next year it probably wouldn't have worked either.

The fact that they're announcing that it will take a long time for this stuff to get to market is a good thing. Announcing release dates and missing them by 6 months has really hurt AMD, to say nothing of the fact that their products haven't been performing on par with the competition with the exception of the Radeon 3850 and 3870.

 

[Keysplayr]

Somehow, this has the stank of Enron on it.

 

[taltamir]

Mana is such an optimist , its adoreable... I really hope you are correct mana, truely, for all our sakes.

Intel is already commited to making a GPU actually... the only unverified part of my theory is the nvidia cpu idea... It would be really interesting if AMD fusion could offer the most bang for the buck, but lowest performance, an nvidia platform that offers mediocre CPU with amazingly power gpu for an idea gaming machine (might make room for the AEGIA PPU too). or an intel machine with a mediocre video card but amazingly powerful processor... if so 2009 would be a very VERY interesting year.

 

[Tempered81]

if this is the case, the d9e will be delayed. No competition... to me, it makes the 8800gt/gts a smart purchase now.

 

[CP5670]

if this is the case, the d9e will be delayed. No competition... to me, it makes the 8800gt/gts a smart purchase now.

I think the D9E should come out as planned since Nvidia doesn't have anything to cover the high end $500-600 pricepoint right now. The 8800GT and GTS have made their old high end cards obsolete for their prices. The G80 chips are supposedly going out of production altogether in January. I'm guessing the D9E will be the only card from the new gen lineup for a while, with the 8800GT/GTS making up the midrange. They did the same thing back with the 7 series, where the 7800GTX came out some months earlier than the other cards in the line. Although I would expect things to stay that way for quite some time if all AMD responds with is this R680 thing.

 

[Mana]

Originally posted by: taltamir
Mana is such an optimist

Haha, yeah I am. We'll see what happens, I guess.

 

[taltamir]

its a good thing though. I strive to be more optimistic

 

[thilanliyan]

If true this is just pathetic. AMD is gonna drag ATI down with them unfortunately. I'm sure ATI would be doing better alone. Granted at the time they were purchased they weren't doing so great but they're actually selling some decent cards now. Cutting down on R&D will lead to useless products....meaning they won't sell...and then they have even less money for future development. Seriously...just pathetic. I was feeling a bit sorry for them...being the underdog and all...but if this article is true...the people running the company can shove it. They definitely won't get my money...I was actually planning on sticking with the one 3870 instead of Crossfiring and then getting R700 when it came out, but if GF9 comes out as planned it looks like that will be my next card. I like to see some innovation and unfortunately AMD just can't deliver. They really are digging themselves a deeper hole. I wonder how much of this has to do with Ruiz?

I heard Ruiz ran Motorola into a similar situation...that true?

And as others have said...maybe it's time to move to a console...my last one was the N64. The PS3 might be in the cards for me....hopefully there's a nice Boxing Day deal.

 

[spittledip]

As far as Nvidia sitting back and not producing better products.. i am not sure if this is true. These companies are very aware of pc hardware enthusiasts such as ourselves via forums and whatever. I think after seeing both AMD and Intel sitting back in periods of success and how it hurt both of them (especially AMD), Nvidia might keep continuing to develop better GPUs. Of course they will charge more for it like people are saying, but at least the supply won't dry up. Think about it: if they stop developing hardware for Pcs, then game developers will not develop games for PCs either, unless they just port crappy versions from consoles- this is a big part of Nvidia's bread and butter. I think it is in their best interest to continue developing stuff. I could be wrong, but I guess we will see.

BTW, I agree that AMD is pretty stupid for dropping out at this point. i am guessing though that parts like 3870 and 3850 might get really cheap in a month.

 

[Zstream]

Originally posted by: thilan29
If true this is just pathetic. AMD is gonna drag ATI down with them unfortunately. I'm sure ATI would be doing better alone. Granted at the time they were purchased they weren't doing so great but they're actually selling some decent cards now. Cutting down on R&D will lead to useless products....meaning they won't sell...and then they have even less money for future development. Seriously...just pathetic. I was feeling a bit sorry for them...being the underdog and all...but if this article is true...the people running the company can shove it. They definitely won't get my money...I was actually planning on sticking with the one 3870 instead of Crossfiring and then getting R700 when it came out, but if GF9 comes out as planned it looks like that will be my next card. I like to see some innovation and unfortunately AMD just can't deliver. They really are digging themselves a deeper hole. I wonder how much of this has to do with Ruiz?

I heard Ruiz ran Motorola into a similar situation...that true?

And as others have said...maybe it's time to move to a console...my last one was the N64. The PS3 might be in the cards for me....hopefully there's a nice Boxing Day deal.

I think you are mistaken, R&D will be cut for the products in 2008. Think about it, you are all pissy that AMD released phenom which is on average 3-4% slower clock/clock against intel without the TLB bios fix.

Now you want AMD to continue releasing products that are behind the competition for the next year and lose a ton of money? I am as mad as you, surely I can expect prices to sky rocket now but it is what it is.

Just stick it out and want till 2009, save the money and buy a nice pc then.

 

[apoppin]

i believe AMD is repositioning itself ... their eggs are all in the Fusion basket

will it work? ... ? ... maybe ... they are still alive