No more Porsche for USA after 2011?

[Squisher]

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Porsche said it would be required to improve its fuel economy by 45 percent by the 2011 model year adding that it could be forced like other luxury automakers to "leave the U.S. market until such time they develop new vehicles with advanced propulsion systems."

 

[halik]

Pff, every time the gov't wants to bump mpg requirements, the big 3 whine that it's not the right time or it's too much too soon. That's how we ended up in this mess to begin with.

 

[Playmaker]

Do the new regulations affect supercar companies?

 

[Apex]

Originally posted by: Playmaker
Do the new regulations affect supercar companies?

Yeah, all companies.

 

[Srfrbum]

wow, fuck the trees, fuck global warming, and fuck the us gov't.

Porsche > America.

 

[Pariah]

Originally posted by: halik
Pff, every time the gov't wants to bump mpg requirements, the big 3 whine that it's not the right time or it's too much too soon. That's how we ended up in this mess to begin with.

Which former member of the big 3 did Porsche replace? Kind of odd, I always thought Porsche was German.

 

[Squisher]

Originally posted by: halik
Pff, every time the gov't wants to bump mpg requirements, the big 3 whine that it's not the right time or it's too much too soon. That's how we ended up in this mess to begin with.

You realize even Toyota is saying this can't be done, right? And, here is a company that's as capable as any in this field.

I think the cost of this government fiat will be quite an eye opener.

 

[Squisher]

Originally posted by: Srfrbum
wow, fuck the trees, fuck global warming, and fuck the us gov't.

Porsche > America.

No one is saying that. All they are saying is the changes required are being put into place too fast.

There is no way a car company can market a full range of vehicles and keep to the standards.

I could see a lot of product being discontinued in the future.


Maybe, I should invest in aftermarket truck parts because as it stands right now I can see people completely rebuilding old vehicles rather than purchasing new. Kinda like the way you see 40 year old VWs down in Mexico. That's what this country needs is some 3rd world thinking. That'll be good for the environment.

 

[Srfrbum]

Originally posted by: Squisher

Originally posted by: Srfrbum
wow, fuck the trees, fuck global warming, and fuck the us gov't.

Porsche > America.

No one is saying that. All they are saying is the changes required are being put into place too fast.

There is no way a car company can market a full range of vehicles and keep to the standards.

I could see a lot of product being discontinued in the future.


Maybe, I should invest in aftermarket truck parts because as it stands right now I can see people completely rebuilding old vehicles rather than purchasing new. Kinda like the way you see 40 year old VWs down in Mexico. That's what this country needs is some 3rd world thinking. That'll be good for the environment.

I 100% agree. Great point. I was actually just thinking this the other day.

 

[dawp]

Companies always say this and when push come to shove, they manage to get it done.

 

[Auric]

If Porsche has its way it will aquire a controlling interest in VW and perhaps then can piggy back its less fuel efficient models on the general fleet, as 'twere.

 

[ggnl]

I only hope this means the end of the Cayenne. Porsche has no business being in the SUV market.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: ggnl
I only hope this means the end of the Cayenne. Porsche has no business being in the SUV market.

The Cayenne sells. It provides income to allow Porsche to build its sportscars. You can b*tch and moan about the Cayenne all you like, but the absolute fact of the matter is that the Cayenne goes a long way to allowing Porsche to continue in operation.

As for the CAFE requirements, most high-end companies already ignore them and just pay the fines. What is more likely to happen is that Porsche will simply increase the US price of their vehicles to compensate for the increase in fines that they will face.

ZV

 

[dwcal]

Originally posted by: Playmaker
Do the new regulations affect supercar companies?

Low volume manufacturers under 10,000 are exempt from CAFE. Porsche sells a lot more than that. Maybe axe the Cayenne and they'll be close. This may have changed under new CAFE rules, I don't know.
http://www.autobloggreen.com/2...on-fuel-economy-rules/

I wouldn't worry about these idle threats. Porsche already pays CAFE fines and gas guzzler tax. The CAFE fine averaged per vehicle is tiny. They'll just pay bigger CAFE fines and keep selling them. Either that or buy VW.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: dwcal
Porsche already pays CAFE fines and gas guzzler tax.

Gas guzzler tax is paid by the buyer and is assessed at the time of sale. Porsche does not pay it.

ZV

 

[Bignate603]

Originally posted by: Squisher

Maybe, I should invest in aftermarket truck parts because as it stands right now I can see people completely rebuilding old vehicles rather than purchasing new. Kinda like the way you see 40 year old VWs down in Mexico. That's what this country needs is some 3rd world thinking. That'll be good for the environment.

Actually, a good deal of those old looking bugs were made right up into the 90's. I'm sure that there were some that were pretty old, but they had access to brand new parts if they needed it because the car was still in production.

Truckers are currently going through something like you're suggesting though. Because of the new requirements for their semis the older ones are becoming more desirable.

 

[dwcal]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: dwcal
Porsche already pays CAFE fines and gas guzzler tax.

Gas guzzler tax is paid by the buyer and is assessed at the time of sale. Porsche does not pay it.

ZV

OK, Porsche pays CAFE fines which are passed on to the buyers in selling price, and buyers pay the gas guzzler tax. I was trying not to be wordy.

 

[AdamK47]

Originally posted by: Bignate603

Originally posted by: Squisher

Maybe, I should invest in aftermarket truck parts because as it stands right now I can see people completely rebuilding old vehicles rather than purchasing new. Kinda like the way you see 40 year old VWs down in Mexico. That's what this country needs is some 3rd world thinking. That'll be good for the environment.

Actually, a good deal of those old looking bugs were made right up into the 90's. I'm sure that there were some that were pretty old, but they had access to brand new parts if they needed it because the car was still in production.

Truckers are currently going through something like you're suggesting though. Because of the new requirements for their semis the older ones are becoming more desirable.

Actually, the original beetle was made from 1938 to 2003 and was produced in Mexico up to 2003.