BladeVenom
Lifer
theInquirer, no more factory overclocked Nvidia cards. I assume you'll still be able to overclock the card yourself. Has anyone heard anymore about this?
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No more overclocking from Nvidia
- Thread starter BladeVenom
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So ATi is laying off 130 staff while nVidia starts to behave in an arrogant fashion...interesting if true.
It could be that R600 didn't quite turn out, or it could be the layoffs related to the merger with AMD.
Essentially what looks to be happening is a monopoly of sorts in the add-in graphics board market (if it continues to exist).
The definitive lacking element at AMD/ATi is a core group of driver programmers that can outdo the programming team at nVidia. It would only make sense that they would forgo the driver route and come up with some amazing hardware that can be coded for at the OS level.
My main question is related to the memory. What will the "graphics core" address? Main system memory? Dedicated graphics memory on its own bus? What about cache? Shared or dedicated for each entity?
nVidia is certainly in an interesting position without a "dance partner". IBM perhaps? 🙂
It could be that R600 didn't quite turn out, or it could be the layoffs related to the merger with AMD.
Essentially what looks to be happening is a monopoly of sorts in the add-in graphics board market (if it continues to exist).
The definitive lacking element at AMD/ATi is a core group of driver programmers that can outdo the programming team at nVidia. It would only make sense that they would forgo the driver route and come up with some amazing hardware that can be coded for at the OS level.
My main question is related to the memory. What will the "graphics core" address? Main system memory? Dedicated graphics memory on its own bus? What about cache? Shared or dedicated for each entity?
nVidia is certainly in an interesting position without a "dance partner". IBM perhaps? 🙂
That's why I said that they at least had companies "like EVGA supplying them" since EVGA's CS is top notch. For someone who doesn't have the desire to risk an investment for a bump in frequencies, the factory overclocks were guaranteed.
I do think it's nice that they all have a reference version to compare now. Now benches should reflect more reference vs. reference comparisons rather than frequent XFX superclocked vs. ATI reference or EVGA KO vs. ATI reference.
Things are in motion already, I can't wait for the next wave of competition to get in gear.
i agree.
not to mention, it make its so you have to pay extra for the "cherry picked" ones. that way at least you get a fighting chance at getting the "good" overclocker..
whereas now all the good ones are some CO SC death version that you get charged extra fo.r. i mean the whole point of o/cing is that. nvidia already binned it, and it gets rebinned even more.
and to the perso who said nvidia was behaving arrogantly. that is so far from the truth.
i mean, they have a right to do this. it is destroying their brand image if the cards suck. people associate a geforce card FAR FAR more with nvidia, than with evga, or bfg, or xfx.
Mem
Lifer
My factory overclocked 7800 GT would lock up in some games ,took me 6 months to figure out it was the factory overclock settings,I set it back to 7800GT default and had 0 problems,I must of went through every possible hardware/software cause until I relize it must be the factory overclock settings.
Bottomline even factory overclocked cards don't mean guaranteed stability.
hardwareking
Senior member
I guess now ATI has a reason for not overclocking their cards.Only few people like HIS and Sapphire overclock the cards,but they don't do it on the high end often.
I wonder if any of nvidia's AIB's will use non-reference coolers?
I wonder if any of nvidia's AIB's will use non-reference coolers?
Why even have AIB's now that all the cards are going to be the same. One thing that I liked about the factory overclocked versions where that I was guaranteed that overclock. Thats not something I can say for the stock versions. I had zero problems with my factory overclocked 7800gt, plus it had the gtx cooler on it vs. the gt cooler. Even if you have problems with your factory overclocked card you can rma it to the AIB and they are required to send you a working one. Granted their was a big problem last time with the 79's which is probably why Nvidia is doing this now. Plus waiting for an RMA isn't a whole lot of fun. This move just takes away an option the buyer had. I can't really blaim Nvidia with this move as they really don't want a repeat of their 79 series problems.
I just wonder about the innovation of AIB's now. Like hardwareking said "are they going to use non-reference coolers"? What would drive their innovation. I really don't want to see all their effort to go to asthetics to stand out i.e. different color pcbs or leds all over the place. One thing I have thought about them doing is including pots on their boards so users could manually change the volts on the card and not have to worry if the software is doing it right. It would be hard to do because a user could easly turn the pot to high and fry their card. However the powerstream psu's have pots on them. Perhaps the AIB's could adopt OCZ's standard on pot useage. Just some ideas I am throwing out there.
I just wonder about the innovation of AIB's now. Like hardwareking said "are they going to use non-reference coolers"? What would drive their innovation. I really don't want to see all their effort to go to asthetics to stand out i.e. different color pcbs or leds all over the place. One thing I have thought about them doing is including pots on their boards so users could manually change the volts on the card and not have to worry if the software is doing it right. It would be hard to do because a user could easly turn the pot to high and fry their card. However the powerstream psu's have pots on them. Perhaps the AIB's could adopt OCZ's standard on pot useage. Just some ideas I am throwing out there.
Cookie Monster
Diamond Member
Well, its because the AIBs took the OCing WAY too far.
EVGA and XFX abused this with their SC/XXX editions where potentially the card couldve been damaged due to insufficent cooling/massive OC for example.
BFG still stood by their 25mhz OC from stock hence they had lesser RMA issues than EVGA or XFX. The nVIDIA partners should be innovating the cooling solution, increasing more support for customers instead of OCing lets say a 7900GT to its death and label it as the super dooper edition.
I agree with BFG10K.
EVGA and XFX abused this with their SC/XXX editions where potentially the card couldve been damaged due to insufficent cooling/massive OC for example.
BFG still stood by their 25mhz OC from stock hence they had lesser RMA issues than EVGA or XFX. The nVIDIA partners should be innovating the cooling solution, increasing more support for customers instead of OCing lets say a 7900GT to its death and label it as the super dooper edition.
I agree with BFG10K.
Nvidia has done this several times depending on market conditions. When they have the stronger card, they generally clamp down on OEMs and forcing them to stick with stock clocks. When they are behind, which they definately were with the 7900GT/GTX vs the X1900 series, they let the OEMs go crazy so they have models that benchmark more favorably. The 7950GX2 is such a finicky card anyway(especially with Quad SLI), as well as being a top-end product, that they probably didn't want the OEMs taking chances with clocks and making Nvidia look bad with stability issues on a flagship product.
I think the problem is that some of the factory clocked cards weren't actually re-engineered properly to allow for the overclocks to not kill the poor cards. And more or less nVidia doesn't want their name tarnished because the cardmakers go around making unstable cards-people are going to remember that their nVidia card died-which wouldn't help their brand image if there's people going around complaining about how their nvidia card killed itself.
Anyways, it would actually be nice if the manufacturers just sent the card clocked at reference speed but maybe included a very easy overclocking tool to bump it to a safe OC speed-that way nVidia can stop whining and manufacturers can still include faster RAM than reference, etc. Also the customer will know they're OCing and that this comes with a certain amount of risk anyway (even though it's factory OKed they'll at least maybe expect some instability).
Haha someone please hire me.
Anyways, it would actually be nice if the manufacturers just sent the card clocked at reference speed but maybe included a very easy overclocking tool to bump it to a safe OC speed-that way nVidia can stop whining and manufacturers can still include faster RAM than reference, etc. Also the customer will know they're OCing and that this comes with a certain amount of risk anyway (even though it's factory OKed they'll at least maybe expect some instability).
Haha someone please hire me.
We are past the kill the sales of the x1950xt pr campaign and are now into lowering expectations. Wouldn't take anything you hear from nvidia pr seriously in the next bit. This card will perform well, but they want you camparing it to the x1950xt when it launches, not to the fantasy card they were pushing a few weeks back.
the other thing is this is different from pretested cpus and such.
the clock speeds were burned into the bios.
if evga had sold them as "pre tested" but kept the clocks at stock speed in bios, it would have been a less messy affair.
the main thing was the oems went a little too far" to differentiate themselves and did not have a big enough amount of headroom
EVGA already was innovative with their cooling solution and as for their customer support, there isn't a better brand. Not a whole lot of room to improve in those areas.
If memory serves me right Nvidia still had overclocked G70 cards when nothing ATI had could touch them. I.E. EVGA 7800gtx ko vs. ATI x850xt pe. This move on their part is more due to the fact that alot of the early G71 cores where toast when AIB's overclocked them.
SpeedZealot369
Platinum Member
The title scared meeeee
Almost pooped my pants
Almost pooped my pants
imported_Crusader
Senior member
As they should compare it to the X1950 mainly. They are competing against ATI.
Blowing ATI out of the water is more important by far versus competing against themselves.
No, listening to the consumers and addressing their concerns is more important than competing against another vendor. Otherwise Nvidia is just as lazy as $ony and Micro$oft. When ATI released the X1950XTX, they addressed all of the issues that the people had with it. Lower power-consumptions, less heat, less noise, more bandwidth for maitaining higher settings, and a nice price. Notice how they didn't concentrate on trying to "beat" the 7950GX2. They already were doing fine with competing and simply needed to give more effort toning down some issues, so they did.
I think the 8800GTX should be initially compared to both the X1950XTX and 7950GX2/ 7900GTX(O) SLI because those are all of the other high-end options. However, when R600 hits those should be the cards directly compared to eachother.
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