No medical use for marijuana in USA

[qliveur]

yes qliver is a idiot =P i agree we lose money on the war against weed

I never said that we didn't; you just keep assuming incorrectly because you're high. If you'd pull your head out of your bong long enough to breathe some fresh air and form a coherent thought, you'd realize that I'm actually pro-legalization, but my enthusiasm has been curbed by a little thing called reality.

My argument is that the government just doesn't care and isn't going to change the status quo no matter how much sense it makes to do so.

 

[Stifko]

From what I read this is a good thing.

It forces it into the courts.

how could it be a good thing? the courts will uphold the Fed ruling.

 

[xj0hnx]

how do you mean? i would assume asset seizure isn't that much, since the major players are going to be keeping their shit in mexico or south america. and i don't understand citing 'incarceration'...don't WE pay for that?

That's exactly the point, we pay them billions a year to incarcerate, and house ten's of thousands in the War on Drugs™. What we pay, funds police, SWAT teams, prisons, the DEA, every government agency that gets the money we pay wants to keep getting that money, it's several billion a year, why would the government give that up to help people, or let someone else make the money?

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

how could it be a good thing? the courts will uphold the Fed ruling.

Some of us still believe in due process. I'm as cynical as the next but, I believe in giving it a chance. You can always armor up but, it should literally be the last option.

 

[zinfamous]

so start testing it FFS im 100% positive its more safe then giving people opiates

it's silly that she would say that, considering how it's classification effectively eliminates the ability to perform such studies. There's maybe 2 labs in the entire country that are allowed to do such studies, and what they can do is quite limited.

lets start feeding it to tumors and see what happens.

oh wait, we can't--b/c we are over-run by thought police and moral druids.

 

[zinfamous]

the country could make infinitly more money legalizing it and taxing the shit out of it

so you end up with an excess of DEA agents. simply retrain them as boarder patrol and ship them to the south west

there solved 2 issues

:thumbsup:

We constantly bitch and moan about immigration and illegal drug trade. yet, continue to allow illegal drug trade to thrive (b/c of our policy), and fund an agency that has no effective power in policing the country. boom! two problems solved if you reverse stupid policy.

I like it.

 

[zinfamous]

Multiply the asset forfeitures by tens of thousands per state (don't forget to include fines as well) per year, and it adds up to quite a bit of revenue. Not to mention all of the money that goes into legal defense.

And the prison system is big business and employs a lot of people; a sizable portion of which would not exist if marijuana were legalized.

Exactly. It's never going to happen.

states have been moving to simple fines, because prosecution of petty pot possession charges cost way too fucking much money, as they almost always get tossed out, yet waste countless time and money.

prison is overrun with petty criminals. believe me, if you honestly believe there is a malevolent prison cartel aiming to imprison anyone, they would find any reason they want.

your naivety and ignorance regarding these issues is...well, enlightening. Though I am giggling.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Erm, since when did the executive branch dictate legislative policy?

What?

DEA funding depends on the Legislative branch, not the Executive.

 

[qliveur]

That's exactly the point, we pay them billions a year to incarcerate, and house ten's of thousands in the War on Drugs™. What we pay, funds police, SWAT teams, prisons, the DEA, every government agency that gets the money we pay wants to keep getting that money, it's several billion a year, why would the government give that up to help people, or let someone else make the money?

They still believe the myth that they were taught in school; that the government serves the people and will bend to their will.

In reality the government serves itself and bends the people to its will.

 

[zinfamous]

lol. I would agree with you but those holding the purse strings of the DEA probably have a different opinion. No doubt such a monolithic entity would hesitate to see their funding reduced or redistributed. Unfortunately government organizations don't always have the best interest of the country as a whole in mind. They are often concerned about preserving their own viability and little more.

the trade becomes illegal. this is why you move them down to the border, and actually allow them to do a meaningful job for once.

sever the cartels. no reason they wouldn't be happy enough busting those heads, and focusing all of their efforts on one front.

 

[Modular]

:thumbsup:

We constantly bitch and moan about immigration and illegal drug trade. yet, continue to allow illegal drug trade to thrive (b/c of our policy), and fund an agency that has no effective power in policing the country. boom! two problems solved if you reverse stupid policy.

I like it.

lol at reversing a government "policy"

Look, pot may be no worse than drinking your ass off, but it's illegal - and there's tons of money to be made and spent on fighting it. Since that's the case, it's probably going to stay illegal for some time.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...undisclosed-fed-program-during-08-crisis.html

This is completely OT from the OP - but look at the shit that's pulled each day under your noses people. This is really no different.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

states have been moving to simple fines, because prosecution of petty pot possession charges cost way too fucking much money, as they almost always get tossed out, yet waste countless time and money.

prison is overrun with petty criminals. believe me, if you honestly believe there is a malevolent prison cartel aiming to imprison anyone, they would find any reason they want.

your naivety and ignorance regarding these issues is...well, enlightening. Though I am giggling.

Actually you may want to read about the private prison industry. A common business practice is to early release and count on recidivism to return them to the fold. In other words, they are not in the business of punishing criminals and, certainly not in the business of reforming them. They are in the business of keeping their prisons full for as long as possible. I've witnessed the business practices of private prisons first hand and they do "find any reason they want."

 

[qliveur]

states have been moving to simple fines, because prosecution of petty pot possession charges cost way too fucking much money, as they almost always get tossed out, yet waste countless time and money.

prison is overrun with petty criminals. believe me, if you honestly believe there is a malevolent prison cartel aiming to imprison anyone, they would find any reason they want.

your naivety and ignorance regarding these issues is...well, enlightening. Though I am giggling.

Naive? I'm right in the middle of this issue. Things aren't the same here as they are out west; not by a long shot.

I'm glad that you're amused, but I'm not giggling at all. Losing everything you own because of a stupid law will do that to you.

 

[Fayd]

how do you mean? i would assume asset seizure isn't that much, since the major players are going to be keeping their shit in mexico or south america. and i don't understand citing 'incarceration'...don't WE pay for that?

yes, we do.

however, government agencies can justify higher budgets when they're given more tasks.

prisons WANT more people in prison. they're paid on a per-prisoner basis. law enforcement WANT more laws on the books, because it justifies their jobs and pay more.

politicians want to appear as tough on drugs because it gets them elected.

all of this is at the taxpayer expense.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

the trade becomes illegal. this is why you move them down to the border, and actually allow them to do a meaningful job for once.

sever the cartels. no reason they wouldn't be happy enough busting those heads, and focusing all of their efforts on one front.

The trade shouldn't be illegal. Allow the trade to be both local and regional in the US and that pumps even more money into the economy. And it has the effect of marginalizing the international cartels which further reduces their criminal influence in the US. win-win.

 

[shortylickens]

Oh and by the way, Nixon commissioned a study on pornography which came back and said there was nothing harmful about it.
He banned it anyway.

 

[guyver01]

im 100% positive its more safe then giving people opiates

Please publish your studies.. i'm interested in your control, and test results.

 

[Onceler]

Even if they made it legal they would lace it with something that made it toxic to take enough to get high like they do with hydrocodone.

 

[Zedtom]

Even if they made it legal they would lace it with something that made it toxic to take enough to get high like they do with hydrocodone.

The pharmaceutical industry will eventually work with synthetic THC recipes to cook up the miracle drug that delivers the kick that marijuana users crave but will be altered to prevent overuse. They can then market it as the replacement for that noxious weed that people can grow at home tax free.

 

[AlienCraft]

there are still 18-35 year old retards who will inherit their parents opinions and decide they like money more than life.

in a perfect world we wouldn't spend $75k+ to fire a missile at one random militant muslim while people in our own country starve. but i'm not exactly expecting anyone to change that.

and you can argue that maybe that one hellfire missile fired from a predator saved the lives of american soldiers, which i thoroughly support. but with our country as fucked as it is, do you really expect that things will just magically change in 25 years? corporations will still be in control, we'll have the richest country with the most lopsided distribution of wealth and the most retarded spending policies (healthcare will cost us as much as 6 months or war?!?! hell no!) to ever have been created. personally i'll be surprised if we haven't imploded by the time 'our generation' comes to power.

edit: and personally, i'd also like to know the motivation for the 'war on drugs' when it comes to pot. i don't think i've heard any reason, no matter how stupid. i don't know about 'weed cartels,' but the cocaine and opiate traffickers seem to be more in control than ever...

Stop MAKING SENSE! D:

 

[NoStateofMind]

Whatever. Give it another 10-20 years for our generation to age and take over office...

Yeah they said the same thing with the '70's kids. You are missing the human element of greed.

 

[Imp]

Really don't get why this hasn't been legalized and taxed to death like cigs and alcohol. I'd put money on the fact that most legislators have done it, and all I have to do is ask around a highschool cafeteria to get hooked up.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Really don't get why this hasn't been legalized and taxed to death like cigs and alcohol. I'd put money on the fact that most legislators have done it, and all I have to do is ask around a highschool cafeteria to get hooked up.

Pretty sure that only works if you're <18

 

[Brigandier]

Drugs are illegal because that way, it makes a lot of money for both sides.

Drug dealers and crusaders both want the drug illegal, how else could they afford to wage war?

If the substance was open to commodity pricing, well, it'd be way too cheap to wage war on. It's the same reason medical people are against MJ legalization, they charge the same prices as the black market, if that dries up, so does easy money.

 

[Deeko]

Whatever. Give it another 10-20 years for our generation to age and take over office...

Do you realize that the drug-addled hippies from the 60s are in power now? Do you really think our generation is less "pro legal drugs" than theirs was in their youth?