No Malawi vacation for me and my boyfriend, I guess...

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http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/africa/05/20/malawi.gay.couple.sentenced/index.html?hpt=T2

(CNN) -- A gay couple in Malawi, found guilty of gross indecency and unnatural acts after they took part in an "engagement ceremony," was sentenced to 14 years in prison Thursday.

Steven Mojenza, 26, and Tiwonge Chimbalanga, 20, were convicted in a court Tuesday.

The pair was arrested in December at their home in Blantyre, Malawi, for professing their love in a traditional engagement ceremony. They were rounded up after news reports surfaced, charged under colonial-era sodomy laws and detained at Chichiru Prison without bail.

The arrests received some popular support in the conservative southern African nation, but sparked condemnation by gay rights activists. Human rights groups including Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch have called for the release of the couple.

"There was no victim in this case, yet they were given a very harsh sentence by the judge," said Gift Trapence, executive director of a Malawi human rights group.

Trapence said the majority of Malawians supported the verdict, but feared the harsh sentence would push much of the country's gay community further underground.

Homosexuality is illegal in Malawi -- as it is in most African nations -- and government officials have said they are simply upholding the law.

But activists in Malawi say Article 20 of the country's constitution -- which outlaws discrimination -- is being violated. The Malawi Law Society said the prosecution of the two men has been driven by prejudice -- not jurisprudence.

Anthony Kamanga, Malawi's solicitor general and secretary for justice and constitutional affairs, said the law does not conflict with the constitution, and denied the charge of prejudice.

"We have no law that criminalizes sexual orientation, just certain sexual acts.

Kamanga said the criticism is unfair.

"For some reason, this case has been blown out of proportion," he charged. "The courts have been fair to these two men."

"Most people are repugnant towards homosexuality," said Canaan Phiri, secretary general of the Malawi Council of Churches. "People do not declare their homosexuality because people are against this."

Ahead of the verdict, the two men thanked their supporters, remaining defiant in a statement released through Tatchell.

In it, Chimbalanga said: "I love Steven so much. If people or the world cannot give me the chance and freedom to continue living with him as my lover, then I am better off to die here in prison. Freedom without him is useless and meaningless."

I didn't know an "engagement ceremony" was a "sexual act", but whatever. It's their country; they can be as idiotic as they want.
 

Wheezer

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It's their country; they can be as idiotic as they want.

from Wiki:

Malawi has a low life expectancy and high infant mortality. There is a high prevalence of HIV/AIDS, which is a drain on the labor force and government expenditures, and is expected to have a significant impact on gross domestic product (GDP) by 2010. There is a diverse population of native peoples, Asians and Europeans, with several languages spoken and an array of religious beliefs. Although there was tribal conflict in the past, by 2008 it had diminished considerably and the concept of a Malawian nationality had begun to form. Malawi has a culture combining native and colonial aspects, including sports, art, dance and music.

Regardless of your non-story posting, do you normally plan to go to such shitty places on your vacations?

Why not go to some other third world shithole...like where gay ceremonies are legal, along with child labor and human trafficking...I'm sure you'll have a blast.
 

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Why not go to some other third world shithole...like where gay ceremonies are legal, along with child labor and human trafficking...I'm sure you'll have a blast.

Uh? I'm still debating with myself to determine if you wanted to point out that the country would be shitty even if that event had not occurred, or if you're just homophobic and linking it with child labor and human traffic, can you clarify please?
 
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from Wiki:



Regardless of your non-story posting, do you normally plan to go to such shitty places on your vacations?

Why not go to some other third world shithole...like where gay ceremonies are legal, along with child labor and human trafficking...I'm sure you'll have a blast.

Feel better to get that off your chest?
 

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No, but in this post I'm responding to the biggest tool in the world.

I'm just going by all the apologizes this Administration is doing for us. How can I not make the assumption we are the worst in the world when we are apologizing to China for human rights?
 

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If I were gay I would want my lover to be a jungle boy named Tiwonge.

It just sounds so exotic.

I will connect the dots and say this circle jerk has any number of contributing factors: unfounded fear, poverty and ignorance; highly christian population, high prevalence of HIV/AIDS (most likely spread heterosexually), et. al. ...

Maybe not so exotic in Malawi after all, huh?




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zsdersw

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If I were gay I would want my lover to be a jungle boy named Tiwonge.

It just sounds so exotic.

Oh my, no, not me. I like my men European (think Daniel Craig) or cute farmboys (think college wrestlers in the lower weight classes).
 

Harabec

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"Just upholding the law" is the biggest excuse of all time to commit horrible crimes against humanity, everywhere on the planet. This is just one example.
 

heyheybooboo

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Oh my, no, not me. I like my men European (think Daniel Craig) or cute farmboys (think college wrestlers in the lower weight classes).

No metro-euro trash for me --- LOL (not calling out Daniel Craig) That's the new Bond guy, right?

I would envision more of 'Tarzan' jungle-boy-in-a-loin-cloth kind of conversion :D Can't help you with the cute farm boys. All I can think of is Opie in a straw hat and a fishing pole, and though Ron Howard as an adult is a heck of a guy, any latent tenancies that may exist vanish!




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zsdersw

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No metro-euro trash for me --- LOL (not calling out Daniel Craig) That's the new Bond guy, right?

Yes, that's him.

I would envision more of 'Tarzan' jungle-boy-in-a-loin-cloth kind of conversion :D Can't help you with the cute farm boys. All I can think of is Opie in a straw hat and a fishing pole, and though Ron Howard as an adult is a heck of a guy, any latent tenancies that may exist vanish!

As for "farmboy".. here's a good example:

Farm+boy-+Ross+Potter.jpg


.. and:

judson_manor_00-500x700.jpg
 
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If I were gay I would want my lover to be a jungle boy named Tiwonge.

It just sounds so exotic.

I will connect the dots and say this circle jerk has any number of contributing factors: unfounded fear, poverty and ignorance; highly christian population, high prevalence of HIV/AIDS (most likely spread heterosexually), et. al. ...

Maybe not so exotic in Malawi after all, huh?

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Just as an aside, I might be wrong but I think it's only America and Europe where AIDS is predominantly transmitted homosexually. In most nations it is primarily transmitted heterosexually, and I would think that in Muslim nations, whose response to male homosexuality (except for screwing young boys of course) is to debate whether to stone them to death or burn them alive, there's probably not a lot of homosexual promiscuity.

EDIT: Oops, Malawi is predominantly Christian, not Muslim. I guess that explains the lack of stoning versus burning debate.
 
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Shilohen

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As for "farmboy".. here's a good example:

For academic purposes, I thought it wise to increase the exhibit sample scope a little:
black-calvin-trunks.jpg


As for AIDS, I read recently that America are now 50-50 for new infection ratio (homosexual vs. heterosexual). Of course, when you mix that with the relative ratio of gay vs. straight, homosexuals are still more likely to be infected by a scary margin.
 

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Don't worry, there's nowhere in Africa or the Middle East that's on my vacation destination list.

Here's my list, in order:

1. Ireland
2. Italy
3. France
4. UK
5. Norway
6. China
7. Japan
8. Germany
 

Shilohen

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Aww, no love for Canada, New Zealand and Netherlands? Italy is incredible tough.

On another note, I think this thread is officially derailed.
 

zsdersw

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Eh, I've been to Canada.. fun, but not exactly a major vacation destination, considering where I live :)

New Zealand and the Netherlands are possibilities too.
 

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Just as an aside, I might be wrong but I think it's only America and Europe where AIDS is predominantly transmitted homosexually. In most nations it is primarily transmitted heterosexually, and I would think that in Muslim nations, whose response to male homosexuality (except for screwing young boys of course) is to debate whether to stone them to death or burn them alive, there's probably not a lot of homosexual promiscuity.

EDIT: Oops, Malawi is predominantly Christian, not Muslim. I guess that explains the lack of stoning versus burning debate.

everyone keeps saying that aids is also a heterosexual disease but can anyone name a heterosexual that has gotten aids (ryan white doesnt count, he got a blood transfusion)? liberace, rock hudson, magic, randy shilts, freddy mercury,,,,,i cant either
 

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14 years? A bit harsh, I think the Soviet Union only had five years of hard-labor for people found committing homosexual acts.
 

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everyone keeps saying that aids is also a heterosexual disease but can anyone name a heterosexual that has gotten aids (ryan white doesnt count, he got a blood transfusion)? liberace, rock hudson, magic, randy shilts, freddy mercury,,,,,i cant either

Flamebait? Alright, I'll bite:
http://www.avert.org/women-hiv-aids.htm
http://www.avert.org/hiv-aids-africa.htm
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/surveillance/united_states.htm

Note that as 2006, the stats were not still 50-50. I'll try to find more recent studies to validate if what I read is valid or not.