No Libertarians should be voting for Bush....correct?

[Ferocious]

I assume Libertarians are socially liberal and fiscally conservative.

And of course Bush is the polar opposite on both counts.

So Libertarians will be voting either Libertarian, Independent, or vote the lesser of two evils and vote Democrat..........correct?

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Ferocious
I assume Libertarians are socially liberal and fiscally conservative.

And of course Bush is the polar opposite on both counts.

So Libertarians will be voting either Libertarian, Independent, or vote the lesser of two evils and vote Democrat..........correct?

I think most libertarians will likely hold their nose and vote for Bush.

 

[digitalsm]

The Libertarians like Bush's immigration plans. Although they think its not enough. It depends on the issues.

Libertarians +s for Bush

Tax Cuts
Stance on Guns
Immigration to an extent, Libertarians call for more than amnesty/guest worker programs


Libertarians -s for Bush
Medicad/Medicare bill. The Libertarians want less govt
Spending. The Libertarians want less govt.

I doubt they would vote Democratic. Simply because they would be ensuring tax hikes and greater spending than Bush. More than likely they would vote Libertarian, Bush, or abstain. If you honestly think Libertarians are anything like Democrats you have to be kidding yourself. As a whole they could be defined as "greedy capitalists". They are not all that socially liberal. Yes they support legalised prostitution and the end of the war on drugs. But they are adamently against regulation of buisness, against the govt running things, against social programs, etc etc etc. They are hardly socially liberal/fiscally conservative. They pick and choose on issues, Id say the are 50/50 socially and 100% fiscally conservative.

 

[ReiAyanami]

the libertarians don't have a nader-type candidate to siphon off votes from shrub

so they'll all probably write in "buchanan"

 

[NightCrawler]

Libertarians want minimal government with both social and fiscal matters.

Conservatives want fiscal freedoms but think the government should intervene on moral matters.

Liberals want social freedoms but think the government should be heavily involved in fiscal matters like welfare and social security.

 

[Dissipate]

I won't be voting for anyone in the Presidential election. I donate money to the Libertarian party though. Some Libertarians will probably vote for Bush because they don't think the Libertarian candidate has a chance, others will stick to their guns.

 

[Mean MrMustard]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Ferocious
I assume Libertarians are socially liberal and fiscally conservative.

And of course Bush is the polar opposite on both counts.

So Libertarians will be voting either Libertarian, Independent, or vote the lesser of two evils and vote Democrat..........correct?

I think most libertarians will likely hold their nose and vote for Bush.

Not this one!

Not this time!

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: NightCrawler
Libertarians want minimal government with both social and fiscal matters.

Conservatives want fiscal freedoms but think the government should intervene on moral matters.

Liberals want social freedoms but think the government should be heavily involved in fiscal matters like welfare and social security.

Well the problem with the conservatives to me aside from the moral matters is that they don't want to trim government enough. They are all for Social Security the boondoggle of the century and frankly their spending is way out of control.

The Libertarian party is the only party of the four main parties: Green, Democratic, Republican, Libertarian that truly wants to see government scaled back big time.

 

[NightCrawler]

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: NightCrawler
Libertarians want minimal government with both social and fiscal matters.

Conservatives want fiscal freedoms but think the government should intervene on moral matters.

Liberals want social freedoms but think the government should be heavily involved in fiscal matters like welfare and social security.

Well the problem with the conservatives to me aside from the moral matters is that they don't want to trim government enough. They are all for Social Security the boondoggle of the century and frankly their spending is way out of control.

The Libertarian party is the only party of the four main parties: Green, Democratic, Republican, Libertarian that truly wants to see government scaled back big time.

If 'true' Libertarians ran the White House and Congress we would have gay marriages and a balanced budget. Even though the gay marriage thing really creeps me out I would still support the government not interfering with people's personal lives.

 

[BugsBunny1078]

Libertarians like me will see world interference as the bigger issue. Bush is the biggest spender in history. There is no reason to think John Kerry would spend more money than Bush, since noone ever has. We don't need to be running the whole world with our tax money. Bush might get the Libertarian vote if he didn't go around invading countries at a whim spending billions in the process. Sorry to tell ya but the majority of americans are going to soon consider the democratic party to be the fiscally conservative party. Dems = Balanced budgets and all that. Reps = deficits and mounting debt.

 

[Orsorum]

How do libertarians support Bush's immigration plan?

 

[tnitsuj]

He isn't socially liberal or fiscally conservative. I don't see how that fits libertarians.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: Orsorum
How do libertarians support Bush's immigration plan?

Give me a Mexican who wants to work anyday over a shiftless no-working welfare recipient

Only way I could see myself ever voting for Bush is if he stands a chance of losing North Carolina to Kerry. If Edwards wins the nomination I will vote for him else I will likely be voting for either Nolan or Badnarik

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: Orsorum
How do libertarians support Bush's immigration plan?

The Libertarian Party has long recognized the importance of allowing free and open immigration, understanding that this leads to a growing and more prosperous America.

Like I said, they "sorta" support it. Most dont think it does enough...

 

[UpGrD]

Bush is the biggest spender in history

In Current $ value yes, in % of income, not even close.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Ferocious
I assume Libertarians are socially liberal and fiscally conservative.

And of course Bush is the polar opposite on both counts.

So Libertarians will be voting either Libertarian, Independent, or vote the lesser of two evils and vote Democrat..........correct?

I think most libertarians will likely hold their nose and vote for Bush.

Not this libertarian

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
Sorry to tell ya but the majority of americans are going to soon consider the democratic party to be the fiscally conservative party. Dems = Balanced budgets and all that. Reps = deficits and mounting debt.

Which is a huge and blatant lie. Government expenditures as a % of GDP(an objective and accurate depiction of government spending) have not gone down under Democrats or Republicans. It has stayed pretty much the same over the decades when either party was controlling Congress. Folks, to tell you the truth the only difference between conservatives and liberals is that conservatives want to spend money on national defense and liberals want to spend money on social welfare programs. There are other issues such as gun control but that's the jist of it. The only difference between the parties is where the money is shifted. Both want to perpetuate the boondoggle of the century which is of course Social Security.

If you want real change support the Libertarian Party.

 

[Red Dawn]

To make either party fiscally conservative we need to have one party in control of the Legislative Branch and the other in Charge of the Executive Branch. It worked fine when Clinton was President and the Republicans were in control of Congress.

 

[NightCrawler]

Originally posted by: Orsorum
How do libertarians support Bush's immigration plan?

I'm all for open immigration but there has to be a limit, can't allow 100 million a year to move to the U.S. just because they want to. Also Bush only supports the immigration plan so his Rich buddies will have cheap labor.

 

[BugsBunny1078]

We want open immigration but it can't be one way.
If mexicans can move here I have to be able to move to mexico freely too.
No countries are any more open to US people moving there than the US is to them moving here. We are as trapped as everyone else.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Libertarians usually vote libertarian...we're (I'm not registered, but I often vote with them) an awfully loyal bunch (or stubborn, depending on who you ask). Even in last election, most libertarians voted libertarian. This election will be somewhat different however. At the events I've been to and the newsgroups I'm on the party appears to split almost down the middle between people who will continue to vote lib, and people who will vote dem just to try and get Nicolae the f outta dodge.

I've campaigned for two years with all my local chapters to turn the lib's 100% over to dem voting this year, since removing the big B is far more important than pushing our own agenda right now...but I met with only limited success. I large number remain pure lib to the end. Oh well.

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
To make either party fiscally conservative we need to have one party in control of the Legislative Branch and the other in Charge of the Executive Branch. It worked fine when Clinton was President and the Republicans were in control of Congress.

Then you better hope Kerry wins. The republicans will only be further entrenched after this years elections, gaining atleast 2 more Senate seats, and 7 or more Reps.

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
We want open immigration but it can't be one way.
If mexicans can move here I have to be able to move to mexico freely too.
No countries are any more open to US people moving there than the US is to them moving here. We are as trapped as everyone else.

Americans can pretty much stay in Mexico idefinately as it is. But the question would be WHY? WHY?

 

[Jadow]

libertarians don't even have a social aspect.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
We want open immigration but it can't be one way.
If mexicans can move here I have to be able to move to mexico freely too.
No countries are any more open to US people moving there than the US is to them moving here. We are as trapped as everyone else.

Americans can pretty much stay in Mexico idefinately as it is. But the question would be WHY? WHY?

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