No knock warrant for...

[FDF12389]

...defaulted student loans. Yea, that makes total sense.

http://www.news10.net/news/article/141072/2/Dept-of-Education-breaks-down-Stockton-mans-door

See update, the original link has been pulled and the story has changed:

UPDATE for the OP

Department Of Education: Raid Of California Man's Home Was Not Related To Defaulted Student Loans

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/...tion-raid-default-student-loans_n_873272.html


COPY OF WARRANT

http://www.news10.net/news/pdf/Ed-dept-Wright-warrant-060711.pdf

I read the warrant and it is not a no-knock warrant, I had originally assumed from the home owners statements that a no knock warrant was executed.

 

[shocksyde]

Haha... lawsuit?

 

[Joseph F]

^
Lawsuit almost definitely inbound.

 

[SunnyD]

Well... given the government's financial predicament, I'm sure this is going to get even more common. Nothing like spending more taxpayer dollars than the defaulted loan is worth!

 

[waggy]

oh what the fuck. really a judge needs to ok such shit. this is insane.

BUT i don't see where it was a no knock warrant. Not that it matters this is nothing a warrant should been issued for.

 

[Spikesoldier]

"All I want is an apology and a new door"

Think you'll get a new door from the cops?

 

[Saint Nick]

How much is his loan amount? What is the point of this?

I highly doubt it was worth his likely miniscule student loans. I'm guessing they are under 50,000.

 

[surfsatwerk]

"All I want is an apology and a new door"

Think you'll get a new door from the cops?

All the dude wants, is his rug back.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

How much is his loan amount? What is the point of this?

I highly doubt it was worth his likely miniscule student loans. I'm guessing they are under 50,000.

It wasn't his student loans. It was his wife's who wasn't living there from what I can tell.

 

[bignateyk]

If they were smart they would apologize and get him a new door. Once he lawyers up he's gonna make a killing.

 

[Joseph F]

@Saint Nick: He wasn't even the one they were looking for. They were looking for his Wife who was separated from him.

Crap, Ayashi beat me to it. I need to get some DSL for christ's sake.

 

[Linflas]

SWAT teams were originally intended to be used only in the most extreme circumstances when it would be very likely that street cops would be in over their heads resulting in their, and perhaps the public at large, injury or death. The problem is that they are expensive to set up and maintain and have all sorts of neat and expensive equipment to justify spending money on so they are now used for the most ridiculous routine things that really require nothing more than a squad car and a knock on the door.

 

[rudder]

Good thing his kids did not brandish a toy gun... the swat team would have shot them each 68 times... then asked questions later.

 

[waggy]

How much is his loan amount? What is the point of this?

I highly doubt it was worth his likely miniscule student loans. I'm guessing they are under 50,000.

I would love to see the numbers.

how much was it to pay the swat team to search his house? to go to his house? etc.

how much was the loan?

i am willing to bet it cost more to have the swat team then the loan.

 

[drebo]

Wow. You'd think the federal government would have better things to do than spend umpteen thousands of dollars pestering its civilians.

Why is the federal government doing collections for student loans anyway? Isn't Sallie Mae supposed to be a "privately run" entity?

And I thought defaulting on a loan wasn't a crime. Isn't that why we've given all the deadbeats that bought houses they couldn't afford money and forgiveness on their loans?

 

[waggy]

SWAT teams were originally intended to be used only in the most extreme circumstances when it would be very likely that street cops would be in over their heads resulting in their, and perhaps the public at large, injury or death. The problem is that they are expensive to set up and maintain and have all sorts of neat and expensive equipment to justify spending money on so they are now used for the most ridiculous routine things that really require nothing more than a squad car and a knock on the door.

thats just it. a fucking student loan?

all this would take was a cop come to the door knock and ask for the wife. then they would learn they are divorced and she lives somewhere else.

now the kids are traumatized, the door is destroyed his reputation is fucked.

and if the wife is a bitch she can use this to try to get the kids (justified or not).

yeah i hope he gets a ton of money out of this.

 

[Anubis]

do no knock warrents ever work? im sure they must but we only ever hear about them ending badly

 

[FDF12389]

i don't see where it was a no knock warrant. Not that it matters this is nothing a warrant should been issued for.

They kicked in the door without knocking.

 

[lxskllr]

Land of the free....

 

[AMDZen]

I hope he sues the shit out of that city

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

Good thing his kids did not brandish a toy gun... the swat team would have shot them each 68 times... then asked questions later.

Or if he happened to have a kitchen knife in hand, or if he didn't spot them outside his house before they barged in and prepared to defend himself from unknown attackers. It's pretty disgusting when you think about it.

 

[FDF12389]

do no knock warrents ever work? im sure they must but we only ever hear about them ending badly

Sometimes, but usually in the case were a no knock is actually warranted you'll see gas or flash used. If they don't use them you can assume the no knock was questionable, there are exceptions but its a good rule of thumb.

 

[child of wonder]

He wants an apology?

He better be ready to be harassed by police officers as retaliation for daring to talk to the media about this.

 

[Spikesoldier]

They kicked in the door without knocking.

Cop: But wait wait, the kick was the knock.

 

[BeauJangles]

do no knock warrents ever work? im sure they must but we only ever hear about them ending badly

When they're applied properly, they most certainly do.

The most common situation in which I think they're appropriate is when the police have solid intelligence on a gang hideout or a drug distribution house or something like that. By serving a no-knock warrant, the police get a chance to get inside the house without alerting anyone to their presence, which means that the suspects have less time to arm themselves or barricade themselves inside the home. It also gives them less time to destroy evidence.