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Matt1970

Matt1970

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The way I understand it is that it's never been about whether or not women can do the job, they can, it's just that we know what can happen to women soldiers that get taken prisoner.
 
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Victorian Gray

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Matt1970 said:
The way I understand it is that it's never been about whether or not women can do the job, they can, it's just that we know what can happen to women soldiers that get taken prisoner.
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The same things that can, and do, happen to male soldiers that get taken prisoner.
 
norseamd

norseamd

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Matt1970 said:
The way I understand it is that it's never been about whether or not women can do the job, they can, it's just that we know what can happen to women soldiers that get taken prisoner.
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Some can but most are not able to deal with the position. A major consideration has been the psychology of men reacting to women casualties in their unit. And while many men are only 140 to 175 lbs they are still often stronger than women and make superior soldiers. And then there is the issue of if women are deserving of equality in war then are men also? Do women still get to avoid the draft in wartime?
 
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Victorian Gray

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"women warriors: A nightmare for is"

"Hundreds watched as the four coffins containing the bodies of fighters from the Kurdish Women's Protection Units (YPJ) were lowered into the ground.​

The women had been killed in the defence of Kobani, the town that sits a few miles away on the Syrian side of the border, which for the last few weeks has made headlines as the outgunned Kurdish resistance dug in there fought off an onslaught by the Islamic State (IS) jihadist group, that has taken swathes of territory in Syria and Iraq.​

That the military juggernaut of IS was stopped - temporarily at least - in its tracks in Kobani was in part a result of US-led airstrikes. But even more significantly, it happened because of the fierce and courageous defence of the town put up by Kurdish militias comprising substantially of women fighters."​

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norseamd

norseamd

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Victorian Gray said:
If that's directed to me, yes I did and I happen to think it's wrong. Why do you ask?
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Concerning the Kurdish women that is probably asymmetric warfare and was also self defense. They were probably not carrying any significant load when they were fighting. Not only can men carry a heavier load but they can also move more quickly and farther in military operations. The question is not can women fight but can they do it as well as men.

And there is another question. We already have a huge problem with PTSD and other psychological problems with soldiers as it is now. Do you want to force men to go through the experience of witnessing women they know shot and blown up right in front of them?
 
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Victorian Gray

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norseamd said:
Concerning the Kurdish women that is probably asymmetric warfare and was also self defense. They were probably not carrying any significant load when they were fighting. Not only can men carry a heavier load but they can also move more quickly and farther in military operations. The question is not can women fight but can they do it as well as men.
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Yep, you just go ahead and downplay what the female Kurdish fighters have done/are doing. Seems to me, they're 'walking the walk' right now and I doubt they give a damn about your opinions on their fighting abilities. I doubt the men that they're fighting alongside give a damn either.


norseamd said:
And there is another question. We already have a huge problem with PTSD and other psychological problems with soldiers as it is now. Do you want to force men to go through the experience of witnessing women they know shot and blown up right in front of them?
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You already force them to go through the experience of witnessing men they know shot and blown up right in front of them. A body is a body, and a friend is a friend, and a partner is a partner. What do different sex organs have to do with anything?
 
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Victorian Gray said:
You already force them to go through the experience of witnessing men they know shot and blown up right in front of them. A body is a body, and a friend is a friend, and a partner is a partner. What do different sex organs have to do with anything?
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Everything.
 
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norseamd

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Victorian Gray said:
Yep, you just go ahead and downplay what the female Kurdish fighters have done/are doing. Seems to me, they're 'walking the walk' right now and I doubt they give a damn about your opinions on their fighting abilities. I doubt the men that they're fighting alongside give a damn either.
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Do you study world history? Can you think of anything that has been overall consistent throughout all cultures throughout all of world history?
 
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maluckey

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I've been in several firefights alongside women. I'm not concerned that women can fight. They do just fine. I'm also not concerened for their safety if captured (they chose their career path). I'm also not concerned with male/female relationships on my team (I'd reassign and disipline them without-a-thought for crossing that line).

My beef is standards. I was lucky that the females attached to us met the male standards for height/weight and PT (by their own choice......it made me proud!!!). Thing is...they had to work harder and smarter than the males...and still did it!

I say if they meet the SAME standards, then let-em fight!

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