No. I am not going to vote.

[Londo_Jowo]

Sweet, don't vote. The more people who don't the more my vote is worth.

This ^

 

[fskimospy]

Voting is mathematically pointless from the perspective of the individual. Publicly telling people not to vote is, however, counter-productive to the system. Low turnouts are not good for us.

I agree that turnout is important, but this is about if I personally will vote or not.

 

[Ldir]

Do you want judges which will nationalize every business and make you a government employee against your will?

Do you want more judges who will legalize bribery and corruption? I mean more bribery and more corruption?

 

[cybrsage]

This is akin to "I have no argument! leave me alone! I scream louder!"

Says the whiner.

YOU are the one who pulled out a single issue and acted like it was the end all. If you do not want people to call you a single issue voter, do not act like a single issue explains the vote.

A simple concept, I am surprised you cannot understand it.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

No, and why do you think Obama will appoint judges who would do that?

Why not? Romney isn't going to appoint more conservative judges, if anything he's going to install more moderate ones. Need I remind you about Obama and his commitment to do away with many Patriot Act type laws only to strengthen them?

Romney was gov in MA when I was there, and he went with the public opinion. In the US, the sentiment is to allow Roe to stand, while on the other hand many say that if we have the explicit bill of rights, then anything the government does is legitimate. All it has to be is perceived as "general welfare" or ridiculous appeals to the commerce clause. You approve. I do not. I don't need or want an ever increasingly similar HAL type government that we seem to be headed towards. Yes I believe that Obama would like to see a lot more of that, more likely than Romney overturning Roe.

 

[cybrsage]

You are really annoying. That's not a compliment if you're confused. You have admitted you have no argument. No go play somewhere else. Grown ups are having a discussion.

You claim you are going to whine about the results after saying you refuse to take part in the process. You are an idiot.

 

[soulcougher73]

No the EC has killed any desire to vote for the president. In fact im surprised at the amount of people who do vote. Well maybe not. Most people are ignorant sheeple so i guess i can see why. If only people knew more about the EC and why it nullifies votes maybe we could finally do away with it.

 

[Vdubchaos]

When politicians are held responsible for their promises they make during the campaign....and there is actually a person I would like to vote for (vs picking lesser of the handful of millionaires).....and politician becomes a PRIVILEGE vs a Career......and Bribery is outlawed.\

Also it would be nice if this private company that actually makes the voting machines would enable Universities to do an audit (which they refuse to do...while they are NOT doing well financially).

Under those circumstances, sure I will vote.

 

[CountZero]

Voting is pointless from a mathematical perspective. Why does someone need to engage in a pointless ritual to be a real American?

It's not that the outcome isn't important, as there are vast differences between parties, it's that you cannot affect the outcome.

If you live in a swing state then voting is anything but pointless in regards to the presidential election. Also if you have any kind of close local or state level elections then it isn't pointless.

However I live in Texas. I dislike Romney more than I dislike Obama but ultimately Romney will easily take Texas. I haven't decided yet if I will bother voting due to local or congressional elections but from a presidential perspective my vote has as much impact on the election as this post, which is zero.

I do wonder if we switched to a purely popular vote system for president if we would see higher voter turnout. I can't be the only liberal leaning Texan that doesn't vote and I'm sure there are conservative leaning Californians that stay home as well.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Says the whiner.

YOU are the one who pulled out a single issue and acted like it was the end all. If you do not want people to call you a single issue voter, do not act like a single issue explains the vote.

A simple concept, I am surprised you cannot understand it.

This is your problem. You assume its one issue when it is in fact just one example. How silly of you to think that. Didn't your mom tell you about assumptions?

 

[soulcougher73]

Sweet, don't vote. The more people who don't the more my vote is worth.

Care to explain your bad logic? You couldnt be more wrong if you tried.

 

[soulcougher73]

If you live in a swing state then voting is anything but pointless in regards to the presidential election. Also if you have any kind of close local or state level elections then it isn't pointless.

However I live in Texas. I dislike Romney more than I dislike Obama but ultimately Romney will easily take Texas. I haven't decided yet if I will bother voting due to local or congressional elections but from a presidential perspective my vote has as much impact on the election as this post, which is zero.

I do wonder if we switched to a purely popular vote system for president if we would see higher voter turnout. I can't be the only liberal leaning Texan that doesn't vote and I'm sure there are conservative leaning Californians that stay home as well.

Finally someone who understands how the system works. Im in KS so voting D is not going to accomplish anything. Now if it was pure popular vote then my 1 vote would count just as much as 1 vote in CA would.

Down with the EC.

 

[cybrsage]

The Electoral College was created for two reasons. The first purpose was to create a buffer between population and the selection of a President. The second as part of the structure of the government that gave extra power to the smaller states.


The electoral college is also part of compromises made at the convention to satisfy the small states. Under the system of the Electoral College each state had the same number of electoral votes as they have representative in Congress, thus no state could have less then 3. The result of this system is that in this election the state of Wyoming cast about 210,000 votes, and thus each elector represented 70,000 votes, while in California approximately 9,700,000 votes were cast for 54 votes, thus representing 179,000 votes per electorate.

http://www.historycentral.com/elections/Electoralcollgewhy.html

 

[cybrsage]

This is your problem. You assume its one issue when it is in fact just one example. How silly of you to think that. Didn't your mom tell you about assumptions?

Ah, so were just being an ass. At least you are honest about it. An ass and a whiner - what a losing combination you have chosen to become.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Do you want more judges who will legalize bribery and corruption? I mean more bribery and more corruption?

Because if make government even more powerful and less accountable there will be less corruption? I don't think so.

The party ideologues have given us this situation, of which they approve. "The system if fine, it's the voters who are wrong." "Accept a shift towards a more authoritarian government or lose Roe or let corporations fund elections as they have."

What craptastic choices. What it boils down is those who back the status quo saying "Do what we want or else you'll have to accept what they do."

We have to accept is unacceptable. We have a system which is designed to prevent choices which might provide retaining Roe and a more traditional balance of power between the state and the people. No one is offering such a choice which has a chance of winning. That's why voting is a rather pointless exercise, being in reality the choice of masters not servants. Think that your vote counts more if less people turn out? Yeah it does. You have a bigger say in horseshit or bullshit served up on a plate steaming. I hope those people enjoy it.

Perhaps we ought to give up the illusion of freedom and divorce it entirely from the concept of Democracy. "You can have any color you want as long as it's black" might have worked for Henry Ford, but the Hobson choice we have now does not, at least not for me. Pick your temporary lord, thou peasant.

 

[soulcougher73]

http://www.historycentral.com/elections/Electoralcollgewhy.html

You may want to read up on it more. Youll find out its bad and doesnt do at all what it says its meant to do.

When i get home ill post 2 videos. 1 explains it and 1 tells why it sucks. But there are plenty of other videos or reads available as well.

 

[gevorg]

Why not to vote

 

[D1gger]

You meanies won't let me vote. :'(

 

[EagleKeeper]

You may want to read up on it more. Youll find out its bad and doesnt do at all what it says its meant to do.

When i get home ill post 2 videos. 1 explains it and 1 tells why it sucks. But there are plenty of other videos or reads available as well.

Without the EC; the situation would be the reverse.

The heavy populous states would be able to dominate the elections. Places in the center of the country would be ignored - the value of their vote because of their size would be nill.

When Miami-Dade or LA County can overshadow all of Wyoming; what is the benefit to Wyoming? (I chose those two as an example because of the Democratic voting vs Wyoming as a state is Republican).

Best is to have the EC use proportional allocations.
Doing so, compensates for the political leaning biases by ensuring that the opposing votes may some impact.

Protects the little guy, but means the the non-popular vote has value.

 

[soulcougher73]

Without the EC; the situation would be the reverse.

The heavy populous states would be able to dominate the elections. Places in the center of the country would be ignored - the value of their vote because of their size would be nill.

When Miami-Dade or LA County can overshadow all of Wyoming; what is the benefit to Wyoming? (I chose those two as an example because of the Democratic voting vs Wyoming as a state is Republican).

Best is to have the EC use proportional allocations.
Doing so, compensates for the political leaning biases by ensuring that the opposing votes may some impact.

Protects the little guy, but means the the non-popular vote has value.

I would be fine with proportional allocation of EC but getting rid of it all togehter would be even better. The videos ill post later will show why what they want you to think of the EC is wrong. Small states are ignored as it is with the EC.

 

[EagleKeeper]

I would be fine with proportional allocation of EC but getting rid of it all togehter would be even better. The videos ill post later will show why what they want you to think of the EC is wrong. Small states are ignored as it is with the EC.

Small states carry enough weight that they can influence a swing.

 

[cybrsage]

Best is to have the EC use proportional allocations.
Doing so, compensates for the political leaning biases by ensuring that the opposing votes may some impact.

Protects the little guy, but means the the non-popular vote has value.

Yes, get rid of winner takes all.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Ah, so were just being an ass. At least you are honest about it. An ass and a whiner - what a losing combination you have chosen to become.

Are you done with your thread crapping? You haven't added anything to the discussion in the past several posts. I can respect having different views and maybe even disliking me because of mine but at some point you have to move on. Right?

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

You can choose a ready guide in some celestial voice
If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice
You can choose from phantom fears and kindness that can kill
I will choose a path that's clear
I will choose freewill

 

[soulcougher73]

Since i said i would post the videos here they are. In these videos he does speak a bit fast and rushes thought it (wish he didn't), but you can pause and rewind as needed to keep up.

How the Electoral College works:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUS9mM8Xbbw&feature=BFa&list=SPC1C0D3F2BA472F62

Trouble with the Electoral College:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wC42HgLA4k&feature=BFa&list=SPC1C0D3F2BA472F62