"no future for Jews in the Netherlands"

[kylebisme]

Well, the Muslims killed 80 million Hindus over 1100 years.

How did you come up with this figure?

Actually, the British killed around 100 million South Asians just from man-made induced famines alone.

How did you come up with this figure?

 

[CanOWorms]

How did you come up with this figure?

Are you denying the atrocity? This is like asking someone to verify the number of deaths in the WW2 Holocaust.

I think that I might be a bit wrong on the number though. It seems that the estimates top around 85 million. There are lots of sources for it.

Late Victorian Holocausts
http://www.amazon.com/Late-Victorian...2402847&sr=8-1

Churchill's Secret War
http://www.amazon.com/Churchills-Sec...2411698&sr=1-1

Timeline of major famines in India during British rule
Wikipedia has a decent summary of only the major famines, but it's not complete.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_major_famines_in_India_during_British_rule

The work of Nobel Prize winning economist and academic Amartya Sen is also cited in much of the historical research on the issue, so you might want to read some of his research on the British. That work was one of the reasons why he won the Nobel Prize. He's actually a survivor of one of the British famines and the experience led him to research the issue later in life.

 

[bfdd]

Baasha, you are in the United States and you believe all that non-sense you spout about Christian Americans? LOL, almost no American I know who identifies themselves as "Christian" or "Catholic" can hardly be considered one. Lets not forget that Christianity, or religion as a whole, is dying among "white" Americans. Unless you consider tons of people from South of the border to be pushing the "American Christian" agenda, I'm not sure you know wtf you're talking about.

 

[Baasha]

Actually, the British killed around 100 million South Asians just from man-made induced famines alone. That includes people of all sorts of religions and ethnicity.

There is no such thing as "South-Asians". Your poor hermeneutics promotes racial scholarship held on by western Indologists who are thoroughly clueless about the dynamics of India, ancient and present.

The monarchy system promotes a caste-based society. And please don't say HAD. They still have it.

Western society is based off of CLASS, not caste. Class, is based on useless and ephemeral characteristics like wealth, race, and jingoism.

Caste is a philosophical construct far too complex for most to understand.

Hindu caste is not based on skin-color, first and foremost. That is why even westerners are considered untouchables. After all, if white skin was considered "noble", Michael Jackson would have been at the zenith!

Of course, in typical fashion of western (shoddy) scholarship, most people subscribe to vapid extrapolations of Indian philosophy; no surprise even Hitler was taken up with Theosophy. Sad that many so-called Indologists in the West promote his racial theory, albeit subversively.

 

[Baasha]

How did you come up with this figure?

I didn't "come up" with the figure.

Do some independent research and reading on "Islamic conquest of India" and you'll see. Read what historian Will Durant wrote on the subject.

Here is a little article: http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/32812

Remember, all of Afghanistan, Pakistan, parts of eastern Iran, Nepal, Bangladesh where part of Ancient India which was almost entirely Hindu and then some parts were Buddhist. The Hindu Kush mountain range is on the western province of Afghanistan; and 'Hindu-Kush' in Persian means Hindu Slaughter!

Some figures are even higher but this is a moderate estimate.

And the Britishers did use famines to kill millions of Indians during their tyrannical rule but their atrocities are more subversive than overt like that of the Muslim invaders'.

The British were responsible for destroying the Indian education system along with rewriting Indian history based on their agenda and insidious designs; many of the early Indologists were Christian missionaries who wanted to show India, Indians, and Hinduism in a bad light.

 

[Baasha]

Baasha, you are in the United States and you believe all that non-sense you spout about Christian Americans? LOL, almost no American I know who identifies themselves as "Christian" or "Catholic" can hardly be considered one. Lets not forget that Christianity, or religion as a whole, is dying among "white" Americans. Unless you consider tons of people from South of the border to be pushing the "American Christian" agenda, I'm not sure you know wtf you're talking about.

You must truly be delusional. 48 million Americans, mostly white, voted for Palin, who thinks dinosaurs existed 4000 years ago and the earth is just 6000 years old, in 2008. Palin is a fundamentalist Christian.

And, it was the white Christian fanatics that destroyed the Native Americans' traditions and way of life, apart from robbing them blind. After the complete destruction of the Native Americans' way of life, they move on to feed on other populations and cultures. That is why Africa and Asia are under attack by both fanatic Muslims and Christians. Just look up Christian conversion in India, or even all of Asia for that matter.

This is why India is the prime target because it is the only country where the ancient traditions and way of life is still alive and thriving. They cannot stand that. Even the so-called secular scholars talk about India with disdain and that is why you have shoddy scholarship about Indian history and Hinduism, in particular, mostly by westerners.

Here is a starter on it for you: http://www.stephen-knapp.com/christian_persecution_in_india.htm

And, just because you personally don't know any fanatics doesn't mean they don't exist. America has the largest number of Christian fanatics in the world. They send the highest number of missionaries around the world as well. Why, even the chief of BlackWater, the criminal militia sanctioned by the US Government, thought of himself as a "Christian soldier".

Here is a small example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHesVH-MUEc

And, all the conversion activities that go on in India by Christians are instigated by 'white' American, European, and Australian fanatics.

If you think Christian fanatics don't want to convert others, you don't know the first thing about Christianity. Both Islam and Christianity want everyone in the world to convert to their faiths. The more fanatic elements of their religions go and do something about it. That is what I am speaking about. Not the average Christian or Muslim. I have no problem with them.

When they begin to convert people, they are attacking that person characteristically, traditionally, philosophically, and in many cases in Africa and Asia, even physically.

The funny thing is, all three Abrahamic religions came from one person supposedly; Abraham. Yet, Christian fanatics consider Muslims as inferior and vice versa. They do think Jews are white and so they accept them. Hilariously, Jesus was a sephardic Jew. He most definitely was not the "white man" they portray him as. LOL..

 

[bfdd]

Baasha, just because people are fucking idiots doesn't mean there's some American Christian agenda trying to convert the world. Hell many of the people I grew up with or am friends with now who would have considered themselves Christian or Catholic no longer do. Christianity is dying in the USA, stupidity on the other hand seems to be growing exponentially.

 

[Baasha]

Baasha, just because people are fucking idiots doesn't mean there's some American Christian agenda trying to convert the world. Hell many of the people I grew up with or am friends with now who would have considered themselves Christian or Catholic no longer do. Christianity is dying in the USA, stupidity on the other hand seems to be growing exponentially.

You are not capable of understanding the dynamics at play here. I also presume you don't give a damn about it either.

And what part of Christian/Muslim FANATICS don't you get? I'm talking about the crazies, not the average schmuck.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

You are not capable of understanding the dynamics at play here. I also presume you don't give a damn about it either.

And what part of Christian/Muslim FANATICS don't you get? I'm talking about the crazies, not the average schmuck.

What about the Hindu FANATICS?

 

[Red Dawn]

You must truly be delusional. 48 million Americans, mostly white, voted for Palin, who thinks dinosaurs existed 4000 years ago and the earth is just 6000 years old, in 2008. Palin is a fundamentalist Christian.

And, it was the white Christian fanatics that destroyed the Native Americans' traditions and way of life, apart from robbing them blind. After the complete destruction of the Native Americans' way of life, they move on to feed on other populations and cultures. That is why Africa and Asia are under attack by both fanatic Muslims and Christians. Just look up Christian conversion in India, or even all of Asia for that matter.

This is why India is the prime target because it is the only country where the ancient traditions and way of life is still alive and thriving. They cannot stand that. Even the so-called secular scholars talk about India with disdain and that is why you have shoddy scholarship about Indian history and Hinduism, in particular, mostly by westerners.

Here is a starter on it for you: http://www.stephen-knapp.com/christian_persecution_in_india.htm

And, just because you personally don't know any fanatics doesn't mean they don't exist. America has the largest number of Christian fanatics in the world. They send the highest number of missionaries around the world as well. Why, even the chief of BlackWater, the criminal militia sanctioned by the US Government, thought of himself as a "Christian soldier".

Here is a small example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHesVH-MUEc

And, all the conversion activities that go on in India by Christians are instigated by 'white' American, European, and Australian fanatics.

If you think Christian fanatics don't want to convert others, you don't know the first thing about Christianity. Both Islam and Christianity want everyone in the world to convert to their faiths. The more fanatic elements of their religions go and do something about it. That is what I am speaking about. Not the average Christian or Muslim. I have no problem with them.

When they begin to convert people, they are attacking that person characteristically, traditionally, philosophically, and in many cases in Africa and Asia, even physically.

The funny thing is, all three Abrahamic religions came from one person supposedly; Abraham. Yet, Christian fanatics consider Muslims as inferior and vice versa. They do think Jews are white and so they accept them. Hilariously, Jesus was a sephardic Jew. He most definitely was not the "white man" they portray him as. LOL..

If India is such a great civilization how come it kept getting conquered by smaller and less civilized countries?

 

[RabidMongoose]

Western society is based off of CLASS, not caste. Class, is based on useless and ephemeral characteristics like wealth, race, and jingoism.

I don't know about 'western society' in this part of the discussion, but clearly British society is based off of a caste system of some sort, where they have royalty and funny sounding titles and wear weird wigs and such. Perhaps not the same as the Indian caste system, but clearly some sort of barbaric caste system.

The British basically believe that one particular family has a superior bloodline, they exist among a caste above all of the peasants. Hmmm...maybe it isn't a caste system, but more of a religion in that perhaps they still believe that this family has been appointed by some magical bearded guy who lives in the skies?

British people are freaking crazy.

 

[bfdd]

You are not capable of understanding the dynamics at play here. I also presume you don't give a damn about it either.

And what part of Christian/Muslim FANATICS don't you get? I'm talking about the crazies, not the average schmuck.

What part of Christianity is dying in the USA didn't you understand? Outside of migrants from South of the border, you're going to find that Christianity is diminishing across all groups in the USA. Such a silly fucking statement you made claiming the Christian fanatics here run shit or they are some how set the agenda for the USA. Absolutely fucking retarded, are you sure you didn't vote for Palin?

If India is such a great civilization how come it kept getting conquered by smaller and less civilized countries?

No shit.


btw I would also like to give an LOL back at Baasha again for trying to justify discrimination through a caste system as something other than just discrimination

 

[Baasha]

What about the Hindu FANATICS?

That's a non-sequitur and oxymoron. When was the last time you heard of a Hindu threatening to convert someone by force and/or subterfuge?

Read this article by David Frawley on Hindu Fundamentalism: http://www.patheos.com/Resources/Additional-Resources/Is-There-Hindu-Fundamentalism.html

 

[Baasha]

If India is such a great civilization how come it kept getting conquered by smaller and less civilized countries?

"smaller and less-civilized" yes.. but more brutal, ruthless, and barbaric invaders can easily overpower a docile population no matter how "large" they are. The degradation of Indian civilization has taken place over 1300 years. And thanks to the infighting between various kingdoms within India, invaders found it quite simple to overrun the local population. However, you have to keep in mind perspective. The Persian empire was destroyed and completely Islamized in less than 20 years! The first Arab invaders fought Indian kings in the late 7th century and made the first inroads in 712 CE (Debal in Sindh Province, now in Pakistan). It took until 1192 for Muhammad of Ghor (which is in Afghanistan) to establish the Delhi Sultanate; almost 500 years for Muslim rule to establish itself in northern India. All of India was never ruled by the Muslims. They ruled most of it and they too had infighting. Eventually, the British used that to their advantage with their East India Company (in Kolkata [Calcutta]) and took over the country. This is just a small example as to why India was repeatedly attacked and invaded. However, there were many brave Indian (Hindu) kings who fought the invaders and perished. That is why Hinduism still thrives in India. Otherwise, like Persia, all of India would have been Islamized. Thank GOD that didn't happen and never will!

India took into refuge the jews, christians (from Syria who were persecuted by the Romans), Zoroastrians, Bahai's, even the Ahmadiyya Muslims, and now the Tibetans.. India is the refuge of the world.

 

[Baasha]

I don't know about 'western society' in this part of the discussion, but clearly British society is based off of a caste system of some sort, where they have royalty and funny sounding titles and wear weird wigs and such. Perhaps not the same as the Indian caste system, but clearly some sort of barbaric caste system.

The British basically believe that one particular family has a superior bloodline, they exist among a caste above all of the peasants. Hmmm...maybe it isn't a caste system, but more of a religion in that perhaps they still believe that this family has been appointed by some magical bearded guy who lives in the skies?

British people are freaking crazy.

You need to read up on the differences between class and caste. The former is based on superficial characteristics like wealth, royalty, socio-economic status, and race. None of those matter in caste. Caste is about innate qualities of the person. In Hinduism, caste is called Varnashrama Dharma, which means the qualities of a person are determined by three things: lineage, character, and action. None preclude the other. Westerners have twisted the meaning of caste to say that "higher" castes have lighter skin and "lower" castes have "dark" skin. WTF is that about? There are some Brahmins, the "highest" caste, who are probably as dark as blacks here in the US. Yet, they are revered as they should be. This theory is completely bunk and promoted by racist Indologists who are all westerners. And any Hindu who tries to correct them is immediately labelled "Hindu Fanatic".

Look at this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tZv9utp-oc

Do those Brahmins look "blond and blue-eyed" to you? LOLOL.. they are Aryans.. yes.. Arya is a Sanskrit word that refers to nobility of lineage, character, and action. aaah.. yes.. too bad the idiot Hitler couldn't understand that. Or, perhaps he did and twisted it to meet his own ends anyway! who knows?

There has been a lot of abuse of the caste system in modern India because some people claimed (still do) superiority based just on birth but conveniently forget character and action. The Sanskrit terms are: varna (lineage), guna (character), and karma (action). This is a fundamental theme in even the Bhagavad Gita. Just because the system is abused or misinterpreted does not make the system bad or obsolete. It is of a superior purpose that describes the characteristics of each person in society so that the society will function at its best as a whole; it is the antipode of individuality and self-importance; something that is anathema to the west. The idea that everyone is equal on all levels is not only absurd, but simply untrue. People have different qualitites that include strengths and weaknesses. The purpose of the Hindu caste system is to realize the strengths in each in person and help them function at their prime in order for the society to thrive. If each person is out for his own self-interest, society will be in chaos; as is the case with all western and so-called 'modern' societies. The sad part is, the west espouses "equality" when it has been and perhaps still is one of the most discriminatory societies in the world.

There should be equal opportunity for every individual to fulfill his dreams. Yet, one has to do what one is most adept at. That is why caste is not discriminatory. Casteism, which is the abuse of it, has to stop.

 

[Baasha]

What part of Christianity is dying in the USA didn't you understand? Outside of migrants from South of the border, you're going to find that Christianity is diminishing across all groups in the USA. Such a silly fucking statement you made claiming the Christian fanatics here run shit or they are some how set the agenda for the USA. Absolutely fucking retarded, are you sure you didn't vote for Palin?

Christianity is dying in the US? hhahahahahhahahaha.. thanks for the laugh.. take your head out of the sand and wake up; America sends the largest number of missionaries to other countries in the world. The largest number of donations for missionary activity, come from the US.

You probably saw some atheist in San Francisco and think that's what most of the US is like. Go to the "Bible Belt" and see what's up.

btw I would also like to give an LOL back at Baasha again for trying to justify discrimination through a caste system as something other than just discrimination

Caste is not discriminatory as I already stated. You can't understand it so you keep harping on that. Go ahead. Whatever floats your boat.

 

[bfdd]

Baasha, what does a small group of missionaries have to do with the fact that Christianity is dying in the USA? The trend over the years are more people not identifying themselves as Christians and more so agnostic, spiritual or atheist. Your ignorance of the United States is quite astonishing. PS I have been to the bible belt numerous times and it has definitely changed from when I was younger. Someone just sounds like a Christian hater, it's aight though.

LOL @ you saying caste isn't a system of discrimination. Fucking ridiculous, why am I even having a conversation with you?

 

[Baasha]

Baasha, what does a small group of missionaries have to do with the fact that Christianity is dying in the USA? The trend over the years are more people not identifying themselves as Christians and more so agnostic, spiritual or atheist. Your ignorance of the United States is quite astonishing. PS I have been to the bible belt numerous times and it has definitely changed from when I was younger. Someone just sounds like a Christian hater, it's aight though.

Does 4 million plus people mean "small group" to you? That's the number of missionaries the US sends abroad each year! That's bigger than the freaking Chinese Army!

And, dude, I have tons of Christian friends and have no problem with them. You can't see the fact that missionaries want to convert every person to their faith hook or by crook and that's what this discussion is about. If that is on the decrease, then it is good for all of us. My family has lived in North Carolina in the 1970s and you have no clue what they went through at the hands of fundamentalist Christians. You cannot seem to separate the two. It's the same with Muslims; do you agree that there are fanatic Muslims and moderate Muslims? The same thing applies to Christians.

LOL @ you saying caste isn't a system of discrimination. Fucking ridiculous, why am I even having a conversation with you?

You evidently didn't read my posts. Read up on caste. Don't take my word for it. Caste discrimination is CASTEISM. Caste DOES NOT EQUAL casteism!

 

[CanOWorms]

There is no such thing as "South-Asians". Your poor hermeneutics promotes racial scholarship held on by western Indologists who are thoroughly clueless about the dynamics of India, ancient and present.

Of course there is. It's a geographic-based term encompassing many different groups.

Western society is based off of CLASS, not caste. Class, is based on useless and ephemeral characteristics like wealth, race, and jingoism.

Caste is a philosophical construct far too complex for most to understand.

Hindu caste is not based on skin-color, first and foremost. That is why even westerners are considered untouchables. After all, if white skin was considered "noble", Michael Jackson would have been at the zenith!

Of course, in typical fashion of western (shoddy) scholarship, most people subscribe to vapid extrapolations of Indian philosophy; no surprise even Hitler was taken up with Theosophy. Sad that many so-called Indologists in the West promote his racial theory, albeit subversively.

British society is both a caste and class based system. They are intermingled. It is probably too complex for you to understand.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Yeah, this guy doesn't even understand what a caste system truly is...the British are probably the most prominent supporters of a caste system in the entire world. Their entire society is centered around a caste system that worships some old hag.