No Democracy under Muslim rule

[chazzheatherly]

When we kicked his ass out, Shiite Muslims's (rhymes with number 2! ) started walking through the streets
whacking themselves with heavy chains.
Muslim' started electing clerics as leaders. And their campaign is a one note song:
Jihad! against America.
Democracy will not work under Muslims. No offense (I say this only to not be banned
again) but Muslims, given the choice, will elect the craziest bastard on the ticket!
These people are simply too religion nuts to make choices. How can you choose when
you must do what the Cleric demands?

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chazzheatherly,

On 10/14/03, we PM'd you:

Welcome to AnandTech Forums, and especially to our Politics and News forum. So far, almost everything you have posted is useless, boring rants that do not contribute to any discussion in which you have posted. If that is the best you have to offer, you will quickly find that you are intellectually outgunned, and we may have to ban your account as an act of mercy.

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[freegeeks]

 

[chazzheatherly]

You ever been to war, jerk? I did not think so. I have not either, but I am smart enough
to observe that your boy George is killing humdreds of American patriots for no good reason!

 

[Sultan]

chazzheatherly

Democracy will not work under Muslims. No offense (I say this only to not be banned
again) but Muslims, given the choice, will elect the craziest bastard on the ticket!
These people are simply too religion nuts to make choices. How can you choose when
you must do what the Cleric demands?

Democracy is inherent in the Muslim religion, albeit not along the same line as Western ideals. The first Caliph of Islam was chosen by popular vote -> Hazrat Abu Bakr (R.A).

Extremely ignorant and biased opinion. This is like saying Christians (the major religion in the US) would always elect liars (Bush, Clinton, Nixon) and cheats and fornicators (Clinton, Kennedy) as their president.

Please stop dissing religions.

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: chazzheatherly
You ever been to war, jerk? I did not think so. I have not either, but I am smart enough
to observe that your boy George is killing humdreds of American patriots for no good reason!

I'm not a Bush fan, I'm not even American

 

[burnedout]

Originally posted by: chazzheatherly
When we kicked his ass out, Shiite Muslims's (rhymes with number 2! ) started walking through the streets
whacking themselves with heavy chains.
Muslim' started electing clerics as leaders. And their campaign is a one note song:
Jihad! against America.
Democracy will not work under Muslims. No offense (I say this only to not be banned
again) but Muslims, given the choice, will elect the craziest bastard on the ticket!
These people are simply too religion nuts to make choices. How can you choose when
you must do what the Cleric demands?

Democracy won't work under any religion for that matter.

 

[dpm]

Originally posted by: chazzheatherly
No offense (I say this only to not be banned again)

You're the kind of person that'd go on tv and say "<insert hollywood star's name here> blows goats. Allegedly" and then wonders why he's sued for slander.

 

[djNickb]

There is a thread in ATHT where there is mention of religion stifling technological advances. IMO similarities can be drawn between the religious beliefs in the middle east and the current political state of many of those countries. It works for THEM, and has worked in the past and I believe that many there BELIEVE that there is no reason to change. IMHO <-- flame away

 

[CanOWorms]

I thought Turkey was a democracy and its citizens are primarily Muslim. India also has a huge Muslim population and they're democratic in nature, too.

 

[djNickb]

There are many different Muslim groups though, and not all of them interpret their religious readings the same, as is evidenced by those few who interpret it as the reason to fly planes into buildings

 

[rufruf44]

Originally posted by: djNickb
There are many different Muslim groups though, and not all of them interpret their religious readings the same, as is evidenced by those few who interpret it as the reason to fly planes into buildings

I think its hard to argue against the fact that women is always 2nd class in Islamic culture. To some extent however, thats true for Christianity also. The radical moslem is the one thats been very intolerant about everything else and result to so much terror and losses.

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: burnedout

Originally posted by: chazzheatherly
When we kicked his ass out, Shiite Muslims's (rhymes with number 2! ) started walking through the streets
whacking themselves with heavy chains.
Muslim' started electing clerics as leaders. And their campaign is a one note song:
Jihad! against America.
Democracy will not work under Muslims. No offense (I say this only to not be banned
again) but Muslims, given the choice, will elect the craziest bastard on the ticket!
These people are simply too religion nuts to make choices. How can you choose when
you must do what the Cleric demands?

Democracy won't work under any religion for that matter.

Great point right there

 

[Witling]

A couple of things. Chazz, you never disappoint. You're like ordering vinegar to be served as a beverage; you know what you've going to get. But, to address one other point here, Yes, I think we always do elect liars in the U.S. At least since the '50's. But I don't think there's any other country that's doing better. The nature of the political process in which you appeal to the masses is to lie to them. Other systems have other problems.

 

[InfectedMushroom]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I thought Turkey was a democracy and its citizens are primarily Muslim. India also has a huge Muslim population and they're democratic in nature, too.

That is because those countries have (or try to have) separation of state and religion.

 

[Aimster]

You are an idiot and need to get out of the house more.

Turkey is a Muslim country and they have a democratic government.
Iran might not that a close enough democratic government, but they do have free elections, however the clerics can override whatever the elected officals say.
India has a huge population and they are democratic.
Pakistan is run by the military, but they are starting to have free elections.

There are many more Muslim countries. There are 1.2 billion+ Muslims out there, why dont you go do some research as you will find more countries that are Muslim and democratic.

 

[0roo0roo]

this is why you need strong institutions of democracy, not just a vote. you know.. like a bill of rights... constitution so leaders can't just do whatever they want just because they got votes. mob rule isn't democracy.

as for turkey.. part of its success was a harsh harsh campaign suppressing religion. i know its not "pc" but it was for the best. its a shame the other countries didn't follow suit.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
this is why you need strong institutions of democracy, not just a vote. you know.. like a bill of rights... constitution so leaders can't just do whatever they want just because they got votes. mob rule isn't democracy.

as for turkey.. part of its success was a harsh harsh campaign suppressing religion. i know its not "pc" but it was for the best. its a shame the other countries didn't follow suit.

Religion is hardly Suppressed in Turkey. I mean have you seen it there? The Mosque is central to most villages and there will often be 2 or 3 of them. Many aspects of Turkish life still have the tennets(sic) of Muslim tradition and Law.

Attaturk created a republic in Turkey about 77 years ago. The separation of religion and state is not a new thing.

(Has a house in Turkey, so don't try and B$ me)

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: chazzheatherly
When we kicked his ass out, Shiite Muslims's (rhymes with number 2! ) started walking through the streets
whacking themselves with heavy chains.
Muslim' started electing clerics as leaders. And their campaign is a one note song:
Jihad! against America.
Democracy will not work under Muslims. No offense (I say this only to not be banned
again) but Muslims, given the choice, will elect the craziest bastard on the ticket!
These people are simply too religion nuts to make choices. How can you choose when
you must do what the Cleric demands?

You are ignorant.

 

[rufruf44]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
this is why you need strong institutions of democracy, not just a vote. you know.. like a bill of rights... constitution so leaders can't just do whatever they want just because they got votes. mob rule isn't democracy.

as for turkey.. part of its success was a harsh harsh campaign suppressing religion. i know its not "pc" but it was for the best. its a shame the other countries didn't follow suit.

Religion is hardly Suppressed in Turkey. I mean have you seen it there? The Mosque is central to most villages and there will often be 2 or 3 of them. Many aspects of Turkish life still have the tennets(sic) of Muslim tradition and Law.

Attaturk created a republic in Turkey about 77 years ago. The separation of religion and state is not a new thing.

(Has a house in Turkey, so don't try and B$ me)

I don't think in most democratic moslem countries there's a campaign to supress religion. What exist are campaign to supress fanatic/radical moslem who are the source of terrorism (Egypt, Indonesia, Malaysia, etc).

 

[VioletAura]

Originally posted by: chazzheatherly
When we kicked his ass out, Shiite Muslims's (rhymes with number 2! ) started walking through the streets
whacking themselves with heavy chains.
Muslim' started electing clerics as leaders. And their campaign is a one note song:
Jihad! against America.
Democracy will not work under Muslims. No offense (I say this only to not be banned
again) but Muslims, given the choice, will elect the craziest bastard on the ticket!
These people are simply too religion nuts to make choices. How can you choose when
you must do what the Cleric demands?

I agree with this. Saddam did his best to try and stop the Islamic revolution only to have the US come by and win it for the extremist. What the hell were they thinking? Ba'athist Iraq was a potential ally against these people, but no, the US had to go "liberate" Iraq, so now all these extremist are free to run around and preach hatred. I wonder if bush thought they would all convert to christianity out of gratitude for destroying their country because this makes no damn sense at all. You can negotiate with a secular dictator, but with a religious nut that is almost impossible.

 

[rjain]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
India also has a huge Muslim population and they're democratic in nature, too.

Hardly a majority, tho.