No Child Left Behind Loopholes

[piasabird]

Report: 2 Million Students' Test Scores Uncounted

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,192031,00.html

This article says many interesting things: If a minority student is part of a group that is too small in numbers, that child could belong to a group that is too small to track statistically and therefore is not counted as a statistical category. That is a mouthful!

If your child is a minority, and there are not too many people of your minority then your minority might not be counted for the school. It was unclear if the state was even counting your child in the totals for the minority or not. It also stated that certain minorities might be rolled into the white or caucasion category if they were asian. It made me wonder what happens if you refuse to own up to your minority or not. It seems like a person should have the right to not be singled out and refuse to say what their race or minority group actually is. My own son was half White and half asian so I dont know what that kind of thing affects the numbers. If him and my daughter were counted as asian or mongoloid in School, they would have been the only 2 in their grade school.

So there are a lot of loopholes and some point at the loopholes and say the whole assessment of certain minorities are flawed.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: piasabird
Report: 2 Million Students' Test Scores Uncounted

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,192031,00.html

This article says many interesting things: If a minority student is part of a group that is too small in numbers, that child could belong to a group that is too small to track statistically and therefore is not counted as a statistical category. That is a mouthful!

If your child is a minority, and there are not too many people of your minority then your minority might not be counted for the school. It was unclear if the state was even counting your child in the totals for the minority or not. It also stated that certain minorities might be rolled into the white or caucasion category if they were asian. It made me wonder what happens if you refuse to own up to your minority or not. It seems like a person should have the right to not be singled out and refuse to say what their race or minority group actually is. My own son was half White and half asian so I dont know what that kind of thing affects the numbers. If him and my daughter were counted as asian or mongoloid in School, they would have been the only 2 in their grade school.

So there are a lot of loopholes and some point at the loopholes and say the whole assessment of certain minorities are flawed.

I agree that you should have not to mark your race on such things, after all we are supposed to be a colorblind society, right? If kids are atending schools that dont perform, it does not matter the color of their skin.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: piasabird
Report: 2 Million Students' Test Scores Uncounted

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,192031,00.html

This article says many interesting things: If a minority student is part of a group that is too small in numbers, that child could belong to a group that is too small to track statistically and therefore is not counted as a statistical category. That is a mouthful!

If your child is a minority, and there are not too many people of your minority then your minority might not be counted for the school. It was unclear if the state was even counting your child in the totals for the minority or not. It also stated that certain minorities might be rolled into the white or caucasion category if they were asian. It made me wonder what happens if you refuse to own up to your minority or not. It seems like a person should have the right to not be singled out and refuse to say what their race or minority group actually is. My own son was half White and half asian so I dont know what that kind of thing affects the numbers. If him and my daughter were counted as asian or mongoloid in School, they would have been the only 2 in their grade school.

So there are a lot of loopholes and some point at the loopholes and say the whole assessment of certain minorities are flawed.

Topic Title: No Child Left Behind Loopholes
Topic Summary: 2 Million Child Minority Loopholes

I'm not surprised. The entire Republican Bush agenda is built on lies and deception.

 

[Amplifier]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

I'm not surprised. The entire Republican Bush agenda is built on lies and deception.

It's a problem with the public school system.

America pays more for plenty of things, like food, than the rest of the world. It's the price of living in the worlds greatest economy.

That's economic ignorance.

 

[dullard]

In theory, it is "no child left behind".

In practice, it is "all children left behind".


Sorry, but some children can and should be behind others. Please stop dragging everyone down to the lowest common denominator.

 

[smack Down]

It makes sense not to report the minority status unless there are many of that minority. If there is one black kid in the school taking the test how far is it to publish the results of blacks at the school.

 

[catnap1972]

Originally posted by: Amplifier

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

America pays more for plenty of things, like food, than the rest of the world. It's the price of living in the worlds greatest economy.

That's economic ignorance.

That's Zentroll's quote, not Dave's (for the record)

 

[theeedude]

NCLB should be scrapped.

 

[theeedude]

Actually, I think the first act signed by incoming president in 2008 should be: "All laws signed by President Bush are hereby null and void."

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: dullard
In theory, it is "no child left behind".

In practice, it is "all children left behind".


Sorry, but some children can and should be behind others. Please stop dragging everyone down to the lowest common denominator.

On this I have to agree. FOr everyone to earn a high school diploma, the standards must be set pretty low.

 

[ViRGE]

Originally posted by: smack Down
It makes sense not to report the minority status unless there are many of that minority. If there is one black kid in the school taking the test how far is it to publish the results of blacks at the school.

It has nothing to do with fairness, it has everything to do with statistical sampling. Without enough samples, you get wild fluctuations in test results; you'd have small schools rapidly improving and then immediately failing the next year because of the inherent errors in statistical sampling, even when the quality of the education may not have changed. Someone may be benefiting by the lack of reporting, but it's bad science to be doing full statistical sampling with very small groups.

 

[Legend]

Originally posted by: dullard
In theory, it is "no child left behind".

In practice, it is "all children left behind".


Sorry, but some children can and should be behind others. Please stop dragging everyone down to the lowest common denominator.

I agree with that. But make sure the opportunity is there for good students at all schools.

 

[piasabird]

I think it is a flawed concept that all minorities have to improve or reach a certain level. First you have to legally recognize minorities and then you have to blame americans for educating illegal minorities who chose to invade this country. While some are from Mexico, there are also many from South America as well. Some people come for jobs and some are actually fleeing oppressive regimes or war.

You cant expect local communities to be able to absorb large numbers of non-english speaking groups and then expect them to keep track of all the different minorities and somehow find a way to educate people in all the different languages. Then because of some silly federal regulation the federal government is force to punish that school district with reduced funding that was caused by the federal government not enforcing its own immigration laws.

These immigrants were once mostly a California and Texas and nevada problem. However, many people from various locations are showing up in places like Utah and many large cities and all over the USA. Imagine you run some small high school with say 300 students in each class and 20 immigrants show up one year and then the federal government wants to punish you and threatens to reduce your funding. This kind of think is happening all over the USA.

 

[M00T]

NCLB is poor legislation by politicians with zero experience as educators.