no boot for MSI K8N Neo2 Pt with 1.8 BIOS for me

KF

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BIOSes 1.7 and 1.8 result in bad booting. I see some users have the newer BIOSes and it works fine for them. Why not me? Here's how it went.

I thought I'd try MSI's Windows BIOS update program, just to see, and whammo it found a new BIOS, flashed it and verified it. The computer rebooted fine and I shut the power off just to check absolute cold booting, which is occasionally a problem for this mobo, but not as long as I leave it plugged in. Everthing was fine.

Next day:
After shutting the power off by the front button or shutting down Windows, and waiting a minute, the computer will begin to boot for about ten seconds when it's turned on again. The HD whines spinning up, the CPU fan spins up, although nothing is up on the screen yet. Then the HD powers down, the CPU fan spins down. Then the power LED goes into a slo-mo blinking state, about three seconds on and 3 seconds off, a mode I personally have never seen. Pushing the power button again, or the reset, or the keyboard or mouse does absolutely nothing. The LED just keep blinking. Shutting off the PS with the rear switch will only start the situation all over.

Yes, you can get a good boot by clearing the CMOS. The first try hangs, but that seems to be normal for this mobo. On the second power-up, the computer boots OK. Then, after it automatically sets BIOS defaults, or you do it yourself in the BIOS, it goes back to the bad boot situation with the first power off.

It does this when not overclocked, everything set to "safe."

It worked OK with BIOS 1.5. I reflashed 1.8 twice, once from a boot floppy. Then I tried 1.7. Eventually I went back to 1.5, and it works normally again, thankfully. What could it possibly be?

Trying to get a BIOS reset like some mobos will do, I accidently discovered that pressing and holding the keyboard DEL key while pushing the power button sometimes got a normal boot. But it is very irregular. Sometimes it fails five times in a row. You have to turn it off by the rear power switch and start over. But once started I was able to see that all the settings are unchanged. The computer is not losing the settings. And setting failsafe defaults does not help anything.

As a cockeyed guess, I set the BIOS to "wake" the computer with the keyboard. After that when I hold a key while pushing the power button, the computer will suddenly boot up again just as the HD starts powering down, as if it were coming out of a sleep state. Weird. If works 9 times out 10. If it goes to the blinking mode, nothing works. It would seem, for some crazy reason, the computer is automatically going into some power-down mode on its own after ten seconds on. But when putting the computer in suspend (STR) or standby (POS) mode there is no blinking LED! This is something else, some new mode. What the heck is it?

Anybody ever seen anything like this? I've run out of logic. It can't be the mobo because BIOS 1.5 works OK. It can't be BIOS 1.8 because it does work for other people. Resetting the CMOS only fixes it until one power down. It is not OCed. It is not losing the settings.
 

Makaveli

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It sounds like your doing everything correctly there might be something wrong with the board. I'm using the 1.8bios on my venice no problem at the moment.
 

KF

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You know I have not seen anyone with the 1.8 BIOS that was not with a Venice? I wonder if somehow BIOS 1.8 is detecting the CPU and has a glitch? I've got the Winchester core.

This is not exactly the strangest "issue" I have ever seen, but it is up there.
 

hsjC

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Weird problem. I have Venice with 1.8 and it worked fine.
Now I'm using 1.9 and no problem so far.
I suggest u go check the forums on MSI website. Might find something
useful there.
 

KF

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Originally posted by: hsjC
Weird problem. I have Venice with 1.8 and it worked fine.
Now I'm using 1.9 and no problem so far.
I suggest u go check the forums on MSI website. Might find something
useful there.

OK, I looked on the MSI website again and I did not see any forums there again. Same for Google. MSI doesn't have anything about this in their FAQs. I suppose I could fill in a technical support request, except I figure they will tell me to stick with BIOS 1.5 if that works. That's the kind of answers I usually get from official support.

Is tech support what you had in mind? Or do you actually visit this MSI forum on their website? How about a link?

 

Fenuxx

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I had no problems with the 1.8 BIOS, and as you can see in my sig, I have a Winchester. I am currently using 1.9 (1.A just sucks), with no problems to report. If its any help, I use a program called Award WinFlash. Maybe you should try that out (Google it ;) ), and see if it helps.
 

Ike0069

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I'm using 1.8 BIOS with my Newcastle, and haven't had any issues.

Very strange problem indeed. I would just stay with 1.5 as there isn't really any important changes in BIOS 1.8 from 1.5. In fact the only fix that is listed is to the temp reading.

Edit: I've done all my BIOS flashes on this MB using the MSI Windows utility. Have yet to have a problem with about 5 flashes using this method. You could try that.

Again though, I don't really see a need to go to 1.8 for you if 1.5 works fine.
 

RampantAndroid

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my two WD raptors have been clicking on me, and I get this error....the clicking has been since 1.7 at least...any way the BIOS is causing the clicking??
 

joeisabigdork

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OH WOW. I have not been on this forum for a while, but for maybe 2 months I have encountered the same problem:

1. After using the computer, I'll shut it down.

2. Turn it back on a couple minutes later

3. Encounter the "hard drive spinning, lights and fans turn on for a couple seconds, then they die down.

4. Only way to get the computer to work is to switch the psu off for like 10-20 seconds then turn it back on, sometimes I'd have to do this several times to get it to work.

Also, recently, after updating my bios to I believe 1.B or something (might be 1.8 I'm illiterate at times), I've noticed that when i decide to access my bios by pressing the DEL key, it will go to a black screen and it goes nowhere, with me having to restart my computer.

I am about to reset my cmos and try 1.5 and see if that'll work, but I'm just glad that I ACTUALLY FOUND someone who has the same issue as me.

By the way, I have the Newcastle 3500+ processor.

If there are any info on what I can do to solve this, please...PLEASE help me. =D
 

RampantAndroid

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OK first off, I have 1.5 on my board (though I gave the board to my dad and replaced it with a BFG nForce 4.)

Go down to version 1.5 or so, as it is stable. Then, go ahead and try a different PSU. Sounds like it COULD be the PSU, as when you flip the swtich off and hit power, it will do that where it spins up, then dies out (its the power still in the capacitors that allows it to run for that split second.)
 

RHITee05

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joeisabigdork:

I experienced the exact same issue with the 1.B BIOS (same setup here, Neo2 and 3500+ Newcastle). I never had a problem like that with any of the other BIOS versions, so I'm suspicious that it's just a very annoying bug. I just had to keep rebooting, and about 1/5th of the time or so I could make it into the BIOS settings. I wasn't really very happy with that, though, so I'm back to the 1.9 BIOS now.

Experiencing another issue, though. Now, a couple of times in the past 2 days my computer has suddenly gone catatonic - monitor goes dead, fans spin up, and it becomes totally unresponsive. I have to hold the power switch to exit. If I turn it back on right away, though, it won't do anything - no beep, no boot, not even the BIOS screen, just fans and CD drives spinning. If I turn it off at the PSU for a few minutes, it'll boot up and everything seems fine.

I've also experienced some issues with what appears to be CMOS corruption. Occassionally, certain BIOS settings will cause the computer to not boot. After resetting, it'll just start beeping continuously until I turn it off. The only solution seems to be pulling the battery to reset the CMOS, at which point the computer returns to normal. This problem is very repeatable - the same BIOS setting will pretty much always cause this behavior. I've experienced this issue over several different BIOS revisions, although I'm not sure if the same settings are to blame with each one. Has anyone else experienced a problem like this? It's not a huge deal, since it only comes up when I'm messing around, and my computer purrs along happily otherwise. Still, it gives me a little concern for the long-term health of my mobo. Is it possible this is some kind of recurring bug in the MSI BIOSes? Has anyone tried the modded BIOSes with success?