No 2800+ until 2003
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yeah, we knew this when it was paper launched a few weeks ago. That's what all of the reviews said.
Adul
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Originally posted by: bjc112
At least it's available at newegg now !
funny isnt it?
nullhttp://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?DEPA=1&submit=manufactory&catalog=343&manufactory=1028&description=&page=3
$410 and in stock
Originally posted by: Adul
Originally posted by: bjc112
At least it's available at newegg now !
funny isnt it?
nullhttp://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?DEPA=1&submit=manufactory&catalog=343&manufactory=1028&description=&page=3
$410 and in stock
Gotta love it .
What's going to be interesting is the holdover period between the XP 2800+ and the Athlon XP 64. Between the two is Barton with increased clock speed, double cache, and a faster FSB!
apoppin
Lifer
Umm, if my memory serves me correct, didn't Intel bundle RDRAM with retail P4s . . . or is that "ancient history" by now?
might be a way to avoid returns caused by people running it on boards that are too old to support it
2 things:
1) 2800+ bundle at Newegg is without a doubt an attempt to control margins and supply on the 2800+. Either Newegg is trying to maximize their revenue through a bundle or AMD is actually enforcing "OEM" guidelines that the CPU be sold with actual hardware in an attempt to keep tabs on their limited supply. Newegg isn't the only "OEM" reseller that has these chips mind you, they are being advertised in gaming and performance systems in time for the holidays.
2) Intel's latest roadmap revealed at Comdex shows they will not be ramping up speed as they did in 2k2. Estimates have them going no further than 3.2 ghz until the end of Q1 and probably no more than 3.4-3.6ghz until the release of their Prescott, their 90nm chip. This should give AMD some time to catch their breath.
Chiz
1) 2800+ bundle at Newegg is without a doubt an attempt to control margins and supply on the 2800+. Either Newegg is trying to maximize their revenue through a bundle or AMD is actually enforcing "OEM" guidelines that the CPU be sold with actual hardware in an attempt to keep tabs on their limited supply. Newegg isn't the only "OEM" reseller that has these chips mind you, they are being advertised in gaming and performance systems in time for the holidays.
2) Intel's latest roadmap revealed at Comdex shows they will not be ramping up speed as they did in 2k2. Estimates have them going no further than 3.2 ghz until the end of Q1 and probably no more than 3.4-3.6ghz until the release of their Prescott, their 90nm chip. This should give AMD some time to catch their breath.
Chiz
I sure do hope that the Opteron will be huge. If AMD keeps delaying higher speeds like this no one will even give them a chance.
I'm even begining to doubt AMD, thinking that if I build a new computer soon, it will be Intel, hands down.
I'm even begining to doubt AMD, thinking that if I build a new computer soon, it will be Intel, hands down.
Sure it is, in the simplest, purest, business/economics sense, they both serve as barriers to entry .
Chiz
apoppin
Lifer
Since when do I have to be relevant?
Anyway, I DO remember people asking "what's up with that?" then.
Not really, chiz... Intel sold P4's with and without RDRAM. And if memory serves me well, the bundled RDRAM was actually a better price than if you were to buy it separately.
Markfw
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I read that it was not just the motherboard, but that and an AMD approved HSF unit. Since I have not seen any retail 2800+ anywhere, it would make sense that they require the purchase of an approved HSF unit. There motherboard may also be in the same line. Until people actually get some of these, we can't be sure that the motherboard makers are correct about the compatability due to the 333 FSB. So both may be requirements to help eliminate problems during the early periods. At least this seems to be a reasonable explanation with the facts at hand.
apoppin
Lifer
I believe OEM P4's were only sold separately. There was some confusion about P4s + RDRAM requiring pairs and this was an unpopular Intel "solution". And you don't have to jump in and defend Intel on my account. I am not attacking. I simply remarked that people said the same thing you said about AMD's bundle as they said much earlier about Intel's bundle.
<<What's up with that?>>
People always comment on perceived restrictions or privilege.
Phew!
apoppin
Lifer
10000 people??? (ten thousand) returning them? Do you think the worldwide stock of 2800s is even 10,000?
I said it a million times and I'll say it again, Don't exaggerate!
But that scenario is really no different than the 2.17ghz Athlon (or any other top bin cpu), and it doesn't have the same disclaimer from Newegg.
appopin, I'm not "defending" Intel. Just clearing up the facts. Intel never (nor any retailer, that I am aware of) REQUIRED you to buy RDRAM with your P4. I bought both a 1.5ghz and 1.7ghz retail w/no bundled RDRAM. You could get a P4 w/RDRAM, w/out RDRAM, or OEM.
So, while maybe it's the same question ("What's up with that?"), it's not the same context or answer.
I was just curious as to why Newegg was requiring this. I didn't know if they were the only ones, or if other retailers are doing it. Is it a requirement from AMD or just Newegg's idea? And why? ("Supply control" was the only answer that came to my mind, but I thought I'd ask before jumping to conclusions.)
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