NJ Superintendent is leaving because of the salary cap. He makes $175k a year.

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Exophase

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if i was making $175k at my current job and could go elsewhere for $230k ... i would be GONE in a heartbeat. anyone saying otherwise is just stupid or lying, or one of those people who thinks it is commendable and normal/good to work 50+ hours a week on salary. actually if you are one of those people, that would mean you're stupid, which i already mentioned.

It's not stupid or dishonest to want to maintain ties with your workplace and community (and potentially maintain those of your family's) over chasing as much money as possible. Especially when you'd still be making a lot of money.

That doesn't necessarily make him a bad person, least of all because he's getting a pay reduction, something he might be leaving on principle alone. There doesn't have to be a plain right or wrong side here.
 

Viper GTS

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167k in North Jersey really will not get you very far. Some parts of the country may not understand that but if you live around here you would know.

What I find more disturbing about this article is that the governor of New Jersey makes only 175k. While I don't make quite that I'm far closer than I should be given the difference in responsibilities. I sure as hell would not do his job for 175k.

Viper GTS
 

Mai72

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167k in North Jersey really will not get you very far. Some parts of the country may not understand that but if you live around here you would know.

What I find more disturbing about this article is that the governor of New Jersey makes only 175k. While I don't make quite that I'm far closer than I should be given the difference in responsibilities. I sure as hell would not do his job for 175k.

Viper GTS

So everyone in North Jersey makes over $100k a year? I would guarantee you that the majority of people who reside in North Jersey don't make a 6-figure salary. I live in South Jersey so maybe I don't know what I'm talking about.
 

Wreckem

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I'd be pissed off and leave if I was forced to take a pay cut of 30%.

That guy would be making less than the Superintendent of my hometown school district, which is a town of 8000. The town is far from affluent and is in Texas where the cost of living is close to 40% cheaper than most of NJ.

Shit Principals(not APs or VPs) in this area start pretty damn close to $100k.
 

isekii

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167k in North Jersey really will not get you very far. Some parts of the country may not understand that but if you live around here you would know.

What I find more disturbing about this article is that the governor of New Jersey makes only 175k. While I don't make quite that I'm far closer than I should be given the difference in responsibilities. I sure as hell would not do his job for 175k.

Viper GTS

167K in North Jersey is a great salary. Hell 167k anywhere would be a great salary.
 

PowerEngineer

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Exactly, the issue is that he had a contract that paid him 237K this year. But his contract is ending and under the governor's new rules he will be capped at 165K. This means losing 70K/year, almost a 30% pay cut.

When people complaining about his actions willingly accept a 30% paycut, call me.

Also in the article, ~100 other superintendents have left NJ districts with the salary cap being a major factor. If that many people are bailing on the job, then it's clear the market wage for the position is higher than NJ is offering.

Here's another article:

http://www.dailyrecord.com/story/ne...tendent-resigning-blames-salary-cap/20555761/

Because of the cap, Fried, who was hired in 2010, would have faced a 30 percent reduction in pay had he remained in New Jersey beyond the expiration of his contract on June 30 of next year, according to a news release from his office.

Fried, who lives in Ossining, New York, is expected to become superintendent of the White Plains Public School District, which has about 7,000 students. White Plains and Ossining are both in Westchester County, where 10 districts are run by former New Jersey superintendents who said they left the state because of the salary cap, according to a published report

It would seem that New York school districts are willing to pay more for top-notch superintendents. If (in their infinite wisdom) the well educated people of New Jersey decide to pay less, then it's foolish to subsequently whine about the obvious consequences of their decision.
 

khon

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Athletes make more money then the president. Who has a more demanding job? Someone who shoots a ball through a hoop, or the President of the United States? Yes, I understand that the athlete is a public figure and he doesn't generate his income from tax dollars.


Sure, but in this case both of them are public employees whose income is generated from taxes.
 

isekii

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Not in LA, NY, HI, or SF. You'd just be getting by with only 167K a year in those locations.

I'm in Northern NJ and work in NYC and to say that you'll be just be getting by seems wrong.
Everyone has a different standard of living, but if you're not eating out/partying every night and get a ridiculous apartment/home you'd make out more than just fine with $167k
 

madoka

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I'm in Northern NJ and work in NYC and to say that you'll be just be getting by seems wrong.
Everyone has a different standard of living, but if you're not eating out/partying every night and get a ridiculous apartment/home you'd make out more than just fine with $167k

Well Northern NJ was not a part of my list. Maybe the reason you commute to NYC is because it's too damn expensive to live there.
 

TuxDave

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Not in LA, NY, HI, or SF. You'd just be getting by with only 167K a year in those locations.


Primarily due to housing cost. The rest of cost is paltry in comparison...

After living here, if you can survive your mortgage, the other bills are in the noise. :p
 

NoTine42

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167k in North Jersey really will not get you very far. Some parts of the country may not understand that but if you live around here you would know.

What I find more disturbing about this article is that the governor of New Jersey makes only 175k. While I don't make quite that I'm far closer than I should be given the difference in responsibilities. I sure as hell would not do his job for 175k.

Viper GTS

New Jersey has the 5th highest gubernatorial pay in the nation.
 

Markbnj

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It would seem that New York school districts are willing to pay more for top-notch superintendents. If (in their infinite wisdom) the well educated people of New Jersey decide to pay less, then it's foolish to subsequently whine about the obvious consequences of their decision.

Well, if you lived up here you'd know that NY government, from the local level all the way to the statehouse, is an even deeper cesspool of corruption and mediocrity than New Jersey. Naturally it would be the next step up for public servants who've maxed out their pillage potential in the garden state.
 

RaistlinZ

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I don't blame the guy. And to everyone saying $175,000 is "plenty" you don't know the guy's financial situation.

Maybe he can't afford to take a 30% pay cut. Maybe pays for all of his kids to go to college out of his own pocket. Maybe he pays for his parents to be in an assisted living facility. Who knows.
 

isekii

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Well Northern NJ was not a part of my list. Maybe the reason you commute to NYC is because it's too damn expensive to live there.

No the reason why my wife and I live in jersey is because we like it here and grew up here.
We could easily move into the city if we wanted to, but why pay high rent when we can own a house for the same amount?

Also north jersey isn't exactly cheap. My whole point is $167k is a lot of money and you can live anywhere in the US for that amount comfortably.
 

AznAnarchy99

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Fuck ya I'd leave too. I left my last job after 5 months when I got offered a new position at another company for 50% more money and they didn't match.