NJ Superintendent is leaving because of the salary cap. He makes $175k a year.

[positivedoppler]

His decision has nothing to do with you. It has to do with him. He has the skill set and the desire to make more money, so he is moving. There is nothing wrong with that IMO.

People are hurting, sure. But he is not directly or indirectly responsible for that. And his leaving to do what is in his best interest is not hurting you or the people of New Jersey. Another person will step in to take his job, and will probably do a reasonably good job of it.

Nor does the fact that he is moving on suggest, as you assert, that he does not care or otherwise have compassion about the people of New Jersey. It just means that he sees an opportunity elsewhere that he is going to pursue.

Believe it or not, most people who are "well off" do care about people that are less well off.

I the article he bitch about Christie's cap being unfair and how he won't be able to make more than some principles. I say it's even more unfair to the tax payer. Self entitled overpaid useless government servants like him are the reason why taxes are so high here.

 

[pcgeek11]

Actually he is leaving because they are cutting his pay at the end of his contract. Is the way I read it. I would also tell them to go bump themselves.

Montville schools chief Paul Fried will end a five-year contract making $237,707 when he leaves in June. That's up from the $211,200 at the start of his contract.

Even his starting salary is well above what a New Jersey superintendent can make since in 2010 Gov. Chris Christie ordered a $175,000 pay cap — matching his own salary — for the largest New Jersey districts. The cap went into effect the following year.

The plan affected superintendents once their present contract ended, and it will affect me at the end of June 2015. This impending loss of salary has large implications for me, both personally and professionally."

 

[Scarpozzi]

$175k is likely base salary without graft and benefits.

Exactly. Most of those jobs will do a percentage match on retirement, plus offer additional benefits (cellphone, possibly use of state car, etc). His total package could easily be upwards of $215k.

Honestly though, high level administration jobs are few and far between. It's not unreasonable for someone who worked in the public sector for years making average salaries to make much more money once they reach the executive level. More often than not, they hold Ed.D. or Ph.D. degrees and have years of work experience on top of it. Unless appointed by a shady politician, they have a long climb to get to those positions.

 

[purbeast0]

lol @ people crying because he wants (and is going to) make more money elsewhere for doing the same thing.

if i was making $175k at my current job and could go elsewhere for $230k ... i would be GONE in a heartbeat. anyone saying otherwise is just stupid or lying, or one of those people who thinks it is commendable and normal/good to work 50+ hours a week on salary. actually if you are one of those people, that would mean you're stupid, which i already mentioned.

i am already in the 6 figures in salary career wise, and an extra $65k is literally life changing. thats nearly an extra $4,500 a month after taxes.

 

[tential]

Actually he is leaving because they are cutting his pay at the end of his contract. isIs the way I read it. I would also tell them to go bump themselves.

Lol, so people are upset that he's getting a pay REDUCTION, not because he is performing worse, and so he wants to leave to keep his salary and he's a bad guy?

Wow.... K....

It's only because he's in the 6 figure range that people are demonizing him.

 

[olds]

OP must be on welfare and section 8.

 

[cbrsurfr]

Actually he is leaving because they are cutting his pay at the end of his contract. isIs the way I read it. I would also tell them to go bump themselves.

Wow someone else read the article. I was beginning to believe I was the only one. This cap is forcing him to take a ~70K pay cut since his contract is now up (his district size maxes out at $167,500, not 175,000).

While I don't think a super deserves to make that much you can't blame the guy for leaving since he's be forced to take such a huge pay cut.

 

[Sonikku]

Living on 175k ain't easy when you're trying to make it work with a boat and Mercedes and a summer house. You all know this.

 

[JMapleton]

$175k in the NY area is like $75k anywhere else. OP is ridiculous. I don't blame the guy. Get what you can.

 

[Mai72]

$175k in the NY area is like $75k anywhere else. OP is ridiculous. I don't blame the guy. Get what you can.

Are you talking about NYC? Maybe in NYC $175k doesn't get you much, but then again most people don't live in NYC. You can do pretty well on $175 in NY.

The average person doesn't even come close to a 6 figure salary. When I made the thread it wasn't because I'm jealous. It was just to shed light and have a discussion on superintendent salary. Take a look at the comment section below and you'll see a lot of mad comments from NJ taxpayers. This article has over 1,000 comments. Obviously, there are a lot of very upset people.

 

[Markbnj]

Montville is a very wealthy area. It's just a little south of Alpine, which is the wealthiest community in the U.S. I believe.

So on the one hand I don't blame anyone for taking a better paying job, or for not wanting to take a pay cut. On the other hand the political side of his comment is meant to say, essentially, "See, NJ? You're losing talented people because you don't pay us enough." Well, fuck that. Most school administrators around here are grossly overpaid, imo. If more of that money actually went into the school programs and the students we'd get better results. So, in the final calculation: good riddance, ta ta, bye bye.

 

[sdifox]

how many schools was he responsible for?

 

[Belegost]

Wow someone else read the article. I was beginning to believe I was the only one. This cap is forcing him to take a ~70K pay cut since his contract is now up (his district size maxes out at $167,500, not 175,000).

While I don't think a super deserves to make that much you can't blame the guy for leaving since he's be forced to take such a huge pay cut.

Exactly, the issue is that he had a contract that paid him 237K this year. But his contract is ending and under the governor's new rules he will be capped at 165K. This means losing 70K/year, almost a 30% pay cut.

When people complaining about his actions willingly accept a 30% paycut, call me.

Also in the article, ~100 other superintendents have left NJ districts with the salary cap being a major factor. If that many people are bailing on the job, then it's clear the market wage for the position is higher than NJ is offering.

 

[Mai72]

Exactly. Most of those jobs will do a percentage match on retirement, plus offer additional benefits (cellphone, possibly use of state car, etc). His total package could easily be upwards of $215k.

Honestly though, high level administration jobs are few and far between. It's not unreasonable for someone who worked in the public sector for years making average salaries to make much more money once they reach the executive level. More often than not, they hold Ed.D. or Ph.D. degrees and have years of work experience on top of it. Unless appointed by a shady politician, they have a long climb to get to those positions.

Not true.

I worked with a special ed teacher who became principal at the age of 28. He worked as a principal for the next 5 years, and he just became a superintendent. He's only 34 years old. He doesn't have years of experience. He doesn't have a PHD. He does have a masters in teaching and a superintendent cert. I'm sure he's going to go back to college to pursue a higher degree. He's talented and smart, but he is no genius. His starting salary is $130k.

Do they deserve 6 figure salaries? I think a few do, but that should only happen with many years on the job. Most of the superintendents who are making 6 figures work for nice districts. I think a superintendent who could turn around the education system in Camden, Newark, or Trenton should see a much bigger salary. Don't you agree?

 

[Belegost]

Not true.

I worked with a special ed teacher who became principal at the age of 28. He worked as a principal for the next 5 years, and he just became a superintendent. He's only 34 years old. He doesn't have years of experience. He doesn't have a PHD. He does have a masters in teaching and a superintendent cert. I'm sure he's going to go back to college to pursue a higher degree. He's talented and smart, but he is no genius. His starting salary is $130k.

Do they deserve 6 figure salaries? I think a few do, but that should only happen with many years on the job. Don't you agree?

No.

Primarily salary is for a position, and is based on the tasks and responsibilities required and the scarcity of people capable of handling those tasks and responsibilities. The salary of people in the position would then have a secondary modifier based on their particular skill and efficiency in the position - which generally improves over time as the person gains more experience; but it is a secondary consideration, not primary.

And a starting salary for a management position with a master's degree being 130K - sounds about right, maybe even a bit low depending on COL in the area.

 

[JMapleton]

Are you talking about NYC? Maybe in NYC $175k doesn't get you much, but then again most people don't live in NYC. You can do pretty well on $175 in NY.

The average person doesn't even come close to a 6 figure salary. When I made the thread it wasn't because I'm jealous. It was just to shed light and have a discussion on superintendent salary. Take a look at the comment section below and you'll see a lot of mad comments from NJ taxpayers. This article has over 1,000 comments. Obviously, there are a lot of very upset people.

NYC or the Northern NJ area, $175k doesn't go far.

And of course there are angry people. Every news article on Earth about someone who makes a decent salary, there are always hoards of people complaining about how they think they're overpaid.

If they're jealous of his salary, they can go get a better job. Everyone makes a choice in life on what they want to do for a living.

In my state, the salary details recently came out for our head college football coach. People are going nuts on Facebook. "He makes hoooooww much!?!" "I would give it all to charity!" "How come teachers and police only make $xx!!?" "My tax dollars going towards this!?!? blah blah" Well the University profits $50m a year from the football program. Not one red cent of your tax dollars go towards his 7 figure salary.

Money above all, inspires more jealousy and anger than any other subject. It's a natural reaction. Because of bunch of clowns who have no sense of perspective or concept of market rates think he's overpaid, that doesn't make him overpaid. When someone's salary is mentioned, that reaction always follows. Justified or not.

 

[JMapleton]

Not true.

I worked with a special ed teacher who became principal at the age of 28. He worked as a principal for the next 5 years, and he just became a superintendent. He's only 34 years old. He doesn't have years of experience. He doesn't have a PHD. He does have a masters in teaching and a superintendent cert. I'm sure he's going to go back to college to pursue a higher degree. He's talented and smart, but he is no genius. His starting salary is $130k.

Dude you're living in 1985. $100k doesn't go very far unless you're in Mississippi or something.

I don't consider anything under $250k a "high salary." $130k for a superintendent job seams more than reasonable when tenured teachers are making $70k+ plus pension.

 

[destrekor]

Not true.

I worked with a special ed teacher who became principal at the age of 28. He worked as a principal for the next 5 years, and he just became a superintendent. He's only 34 years old. He doesn't have years of experience. He doesn't have a PHD. He does have a masters in teaching and a superintendent cert. I'm sure he's going to go back to college to pursue a higher degree. He's talented and smart, but he is no genius. His starting salary is $130k.

Do they deserve 6 figure salaries? I think a few do, but that should only happen with many years on the job. Most of the superintendents who are making 6 figures work for nice districts. I think a superintendent who could turn around the education system in Camden, Newark, or Trenton should see a much bigger salary. Don't you agree?

I'm going to assume he is working in a small district, and had also made a tremendous name for himself. That happens.

Most larger districts demand experience and higher education. I can't recall what my actual school district has as a Super, but the larger district in my city has a Super with a PhD who was 37 or so when hired, but had no experience as a Super, though he was an outstanding teacher and leader who rose to Assistant Superintendent.

 

[destrekor]

Dude you're living in 1985. $100k doesn't go very far unless you're in Mississippi or something.

I don't consider anything under $250k a "high salary." $130k for a superintendent job seams more than reasonable when tenured teachers are making $70k+ plus pension.

How far is far?

The large metro areas of Ohio are nothing like Mississippi, and if you pull in 100K individually here, you can live quite comfortably.

Can you make it rain at a strip club and buy a Bentley and hire a driver? No. Is that what it takes to consider your money going far for you?

If you overextend yourself and want the one of the larger properties in the region, no... that 100K won't get you that, but do you need that to be happy?

I want a higher salary just as much as the next guy, but there comes a point where you can actually reach comfort and get everything you can reasonably want. A good clean new car, a nice property in a clean and well-cared-for neighborhood, and take care of children and whatnot. You may not get that Ferrari, but if you've had that salary for a few years, you might comfortably get a sub-100K supercar or luxury ride, or more if you are careful and modest with your income.

 

[khon]

I don't think he's worth the money, but I would probably do the same in his position.

It is bizarre that superintendents make more money than the governor.

 

[destrekor]

NYC or the Northern NJ area, $175k doesn't go far.

And of course there are angry people. Every news article on Earth about someone who makes a decent salary, there are always hoards of people complaining about how they think they're overpaid.

If they're jealous of his salary, they can go get a better job. Everyone makes a choice in life on what they want to do for a living.

In my state, the salary details recently came out for our head college football coach. People are going nuts on Facebook. "He makes hoooooww much!?!" "I would give it all to charity!" "How come teachers and police only make $xx!!?" "My tax dollars going towards this!?!? blah blah" Well the University profits $50m a year from the football program. Not one red cent of your tax dollars go towards his 7 figure salary.

Money above all, inspires more jealousy and anger than any other subject. It's a natural reaction. Because of bunch of clowns who have no sense of perspective or concept of market rates think he's overpaid, that doesn't make him overpaid. When someone's salary is mentioned, that reaction always follows. Justified or not.

Michigan or 'bama?

That offer to Jim Harbaugh is nuts! Nick Saban makes a shit ton too.
Though I do think Harbaugh will turn it down, as it is likely he is only using this to bolster his ability to make money from an NFL team on his next contract, considering he's making about $5mil/yr right now. That $8mil/yr UM offer will help in that front. That would be more than Saban's $7.16mil/yr salary down at Alabama, which is currently the highest college football coaching salary.

 

[Mai72]

I'm going to assume he is working in a small district, and had also made a tremendous name for himself. That happens.

Most larger districts demand experience and higher education. I can't recall what my actual school district has as a Super, but the larger district in my city has a Super with a PhD who was 37 or so when hired, but had no experience as a Super, though he was an outstanding teacher and leader who rose to Assistant Superintendent.

Yes, the district is small and he was voted in by the school board. He's a very nice guy and is a leader. My guess is this is why he was made superintendent. Also, the old superintendent who was with the district for nearly 25 years was retiring. Maybe it was luck also. I know the lady on the school board and she told me they had a few applicants with many years experience, but they chose the guy I mentioned earlier.

 

[JEDIYoda]

http://www.nj.com/morris/index.ssf/2..._christie.html

Mr. Paul Fried is leaving NJ for greener pastures in NY because he can't make more than Governor Christie.

I know plenty of people who survive for much less. His comments have upset a lot of hardworking people. Is $175k a year adequate for a superintendent, or do you think it's too much money. If he takes the job in NY he can expect $230k a year.

Thread title blatantly wrong and misleading.........

 

[Mai72]

I don't think he's worth the money, but I would probably do the same in his position.

It is bizarre that superintendents make more money than the governor.

Athletes make more money then the president. Who has a more demanding job? Someone who shoots a ball through a hoop, or the President of the United States? Yes, I understand that the athlete is a public figure and he doesn't generate his income from tax dollars.

 

[tential]

Thread title blatantly wrong and misleading.........

The article title is even more misleading and is clearly from an unbiased source...