NJ Gov Christie smacks down teachers union

[MrEgo]

Most public school teachers do NOT provide an education. They provide daycare. Think back to your school days. Did you learn shit? No. Most education is from self learning, and your parents sitting you down and making you read your textbook and do your homework.

If some 2.0 GPA douchebag who couldn't get a real job standing in front of 30 children and reading from the teacher's guide is your definition of education, then yea, teachers provide education.

Where the hell did you go to school?

Of course there are bad teachers, but there are also great ones. Some bad teachers start out as good teachers, but once they get tenured, they lose their motivation, and the union is way too powerful to get those shitty teachers fired.

Reminds me of that guy from the NJ Devils that nearly signed the 17-year deal.. lol.. where's the motivation come from?

 

[StageLeft]

So your saying getting a better understanding of what you teaching, like a history teacher getting a history masters, will in no way contribute to their profession or the education they provide? And I would guess that an experienced teacher would be more valuable with things like classroom management, learning strategies, etc. Though I would agree the floor should probably come up, and the ceiling down -which wont really change average wages or cost tax payers less.

It depends. If you're teaching kids about the basics of WWI getting a doctorate on the technical evolution of torpedo bays for U-boats seems a bit overkill; not really likely to help your audience at all.

 

[aldamon]

Where the hell did you go to school?

Troll Elementary.

 

[JS80]

Where the hell did you go to school?

Of course there are bad teachers, but there are also great ones. Some bad teachers start out as good teachers, but once they get tenured, they lose their motivation, and the union is way too powerful to get those shitty teachers fired.

Reminds me of that guy from the NJ Devils that nearly signed the 17-year deal.. lol.. where's the motivation come from?

I went to a blue ribbon school in one of the most affluent cities in the country. I can remember two teachers that certainly "helped" the learning easier, but most of my "learning" came from 1) reading the text book, and 2) doing the homework. And I can tell you the school was blue ribbon because the parents gave a shit and the students were motivated, not because they had some magic sauce teachers making six figures.

 

[Throckmorton]

Is this some kind of joke? No pay raise for a year, and 1.5% is what they're refusing to accept? They need to shut the fuck up and cut back that slight amount, instead of making themselves look like jackasses.

 

[CPA]

Please don't tell me what I do or do not listen to. Thanks.

I know he has said things about administration but he has been far more aggressive in his verbiage in dealing with the teachers union than he has with the administrators. I could have missed something though because I don't really follow things that much. I don't think he has talked about administration that strongly has he?

I agree with your point he does have a hand tied behind his back with regard to how he has to handle the situation.

It's because the union controls the pension, which is the largest issue of the education financial problem.

 

[SickBeast]

Teachers in the US are grossly underpaid as a whole and don't get the respect they deserve.

 

[Throckmorton]

Teachers in the US are grossly underpaid as a whole and don't get the respect they deserve.

How are they underpaid? They start at a normal professional entry level salary, and they get 3+ months a year off.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

Teachers in the US are grossly underpaid as a whole and don't get the respect they deserve.

look at the bennies and the pennies.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

Is this some kind of joke? No pay raise for a year, and 1.5% unemployment is what they're refusing to accept? They need to shut the fuck up and cut back that slight amount, instead of making themselves look like jackasses.

1.5% of salary as contribution to health plans.
and i believe it's the union heads saying no. i don't know if the teachers themselves actually have a say.

 

[SickBeast]

How are they underpaid? They start at a normal professional entry level salary, and they get 3+ months a year off.

Because they work a 50 hour per week job and deal with a lot. They're constantly under scrutiny from the public because a lot of people relate to the profession and think they could be a teacher. They're also more educated than 99% of people.

 

[SickBeast]

look at the bennies and the pennies.

Compare what they earn in the US to what teachers make in other countries and you'll start to see what I'm talking about.

 

[Kappo]

Huh? Pick any of these.. add in the benefits and pensions.

http://www.worldsalaries.org/teacher.shtml
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/edu_pri_tea_sal_sta-education-primary-teacher-salary-starting
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/09/teacher-pay-around-the-world/

 

[Fear No Evil]

Because they work a 50 hour per week job and deal with a lot. They're constantly under scrutiny from the public because a lot of people relate to the profession and think they could be a teacher. They're also more educated than 99% of people.

Right, because nobody in the private sector works more than 40 hours a week.. 99%? LOL.. Being educated doesn't mean you are intelligent.

 

[Kappo]

Right, because nobody in the private sector works more than 40 hours a week.. 99%? LOL.. Being educated doesn't mean you are intelligent.

I hear some of them have a very strong grasp on 8th grade music history!

I'm skeert fer my jerb.

 

[SickBeast]

Right, because nobody in the private sector works more than 40 hours a week.. 99%? LOL.. Being educated doesn't mean you are intelligent.

Most people in the private sector would either earn overtime pay or they would accrue vacation days at at least 1.5x their normal pay rate if they were working 50 hour weeks. Teachers work a 50 hour week on a sustained basis.

Oh, and you pretty much need to be intelligent to be educated. Perhaps you haven't seen the university dropout rates.

 

[Kappo]

Most people in the private sector would either earn overtime pay or they would accrue vacation days at at least 1.5x their normal pay rate if they were working 50 hour weeks. Teachers work a 50 hour week on a sustained basis.

Oh, and you pretty much need to be intelligent to be educated. Perhaps you haven't seen the university dropout rates.

You should look up what most people called "Salaried Employee" (aka Indentured Servitude, IMO). I get.. um.. nothing for working late. It's called "completing my job"

And no, you don't need to be intelligent to be educated. You just have to be kinda good at kissing ass and memorizing. College is a joke for most professions.

 

[Throckmorton]

1.5% of salary as contribution to health plans.
and i believe it's the union heads saying no. i don't know if the teachers themselves actually have a say.

I misstyped.

The teachers should have some avenue of communication with the union

 

[Throckmorton]

You should look up what most people called "Salaried Employee" (aka Indentured Servitude, IMO). I get.. um.. nothing for working late. It's called "completing my job"

And no, you don't need to be intelligent to be educated. You just have to be kinda good at kissing ass and memorizing. College is a joke for most professions.

A lot of people in the private sector do get overtime or comp time even though they're salaried.

 

[D1gger]

Most people in the private sector would either earn overtime pay or they would accrue vacation days at at least 1.5x their normal pay rate if they were working 50 hour weeks. Teachers work a 50 hour week on a sustained basis.

Oh, and you pretty much need to be intelligent to be educated. Perhaps you haven't seen the university dropout rates.

What sheltered world do you live in? Me and my managers work 50 - 60 hours per week, no OT, no time off in lieu and no other perk. We work hard to make our small private company successful and hope to be rewarded for our hard work, but there is no guaranteed benefits and no pension.

Teachers fill a very valuable roll in our society, but they are not underpaid, and they are not overworked.

 

[Kappo]

A lot of people in the private sector do get overtime or comp time even though they're salaried.

He said "most". I know some do, but from everywhere I've worked, it's not most.

 

[SickBeast]

Any professional job I have ever had in the private sector has paid me 1.5x for OT or else they gave me time off in lieu. The same goes for my wife.

I suppose there are some jobs that don't compensate for it, but I would hope you earn a damn good salary instead. Companies that don't pay their people well are not going to attract good people to work for them.

 

[Zebo]

Public school teachers are overpaid overrated overinflated glorified daycare workers

Yeah we should all go to Devry. Oh wait they don't have medical schools, engineering, hard sciences, nursing and have a student loan default rate over 50% from worthless degrees they do teach. Quit trollin.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Any professional job I have ever had in the private sector has paid me 1.5x for OT or else they gave me time off in lieu. The same goes for my wife.

I suppose there are some jobs that don't compensate for it, but I would hope you earn a damn good salary instead. Companies that don't pay their people well are not going to attract good people to work for them.

I work for one of the largest corporations in the world (THE largest depending on how its determined). They don't pay overtime or give comp time, etc. You are simply wrong.

 

[hydroponik]

Any professional job I have ever had in the private sector has paid me 1.5x for OT or else they gave me time off in lieu. The same goes for my wife.

I suppose there are some jobs that don't compensate for it, but I would hope you earn a damn good salary instead. Companies that don't pay their people well are not going to attract good people to work for them.

You live in some type of fantasy world. Most private sector jobs do not pay 1.5x or give time off for working extra hours. Yes there are some that do, however they are more the exception than the norm.