NJ Gov Christie reneges on law he signed for more pension funding. Courts say it's ok

[emperus]

except what I said was true. You are pretending that I said stuff I didn't. You are pretending you had never heard of him referred to as not a republican.

I'm done playing make believe with you people. If you want to debate facts, fine. But I'm not taking Trolly to see the King with you.

You are making such a ridiculous argument. Doesn't matter who refers to him as what. Bottom Line is he is a Republican.

 

[Moonbeam]

You are making such a ridiculous argument. Doesn't matter who refers to him as what. Bottom Line is he is a Republican.

I think Christy is a bull frog. I can easily argue that he's not a Republican because he's not toady enough. The only thing about my argument, though, would be that I wouldn't take it seriously. Christy and my ego aren't having an identity crisis and I'm not feeling a victim today. I'm wondering if I have ever seen it rain before here in California in June. Something seems odd about the weather these days.

 

[rudeguy]

You are making such a ridiculous argument. Doesn't matter who refers to him as what. Bottom Line is he is a Republican.

I said I'm David Hasselhoff. Does that mean I'm David Hasselhoff?

 

[dank69]

I said I'm David Hasselhoff. Does that mean I'm David Hasselhoff?

I can confirm that you are David Hasselhoff. I often pretend I am drowning just so you will give me mouth to mouth.

 

[Slew Foot]

Good, public employees are going to have to learn that they cant rape the public with endless tax increases.

 

[Brainonska511]

Good, public employees are going to have to learn that they cant rape the public with endless tax increases.

Why is it the worker's fault for demanding what they were promised? They held up their end of the bargain by working for the state. The state's end was to pay salary and pension. If the state couldn't afford it, they should have stopped offering such pensions in the first place. As it stands now, the state is effectively stealing from the workers by reneging on pensions.

 

[trenchfoot]

You are making such a ridiculous argument. Doesn't matter who refers to him as what. Bottom Line is he is a Republican.

Sorry to say but, if he were a REAL Republican, New Jersey would already have enacted one of those disingenuously titled "Voter Rights" laws that is blatantly biased against poor, minority and young Democrat voting folks, it would also be one of those union crushing "Right to Work" states, huge tax cuts for the rich would have put New Jersey in an even deeper financial crisis than any Repub controlled rural state that is "experimenting" with the time honored Reganesque trickle down theory of voodoo economics, New Jersey would have been deregulated to the point of it being a mere state-government-in-name-only that's actually being run by the folks who REALLY know how to bleed it dry without making things look that way..... oh wait, that part is mostly true; Christie, you get a break on that one.

In other words, if Christie was a REAL Republican then he'd have every person that's a resident in that state convinced that Obama is the card carrying commie-fascist muslim terrorist loving Kenyan born anti-American nation-destroying Satan worshiping monster that every loyal and true Repub either knows him to be or is wishing really really hard that allllll of the aforementioned is really true despite the facts proving otherwise.

Anyway, I think that's what is meant by those loyalist of loyal Tea Party patriot REAL Americans who know-for-a-fact that Christie's conservative pedigree papers are as fake as Obama's birth certy.

To them Christie makes Romney look like the progeny of a heavenly blessed one night tryst between Rush Limbaugh and Jan Brewer.......well, to you or myself that may seem kind'a horrific, but to a REAL Repub, who knows eh?

 

[emperus]

Sorry to say but, if he were a REAL Republican, New Jersey would already have enacted one of those disingenuously titled "Voter Rights" laws that is blatantly biased against poor, minority and young Democrat voting folks, it would also be one of those union crushing "Right to Work" states, huge tax cuts for the rich would have put New Jersey in an even deeper financial crisis than any Repub controlled rural state that is "experimenting" with the time honored Reganesque trickle down theory of voodoo economics, New Jersey would have been deregulated to the point of it being a mere state-government-in-name-only that's actually being run by the folks who REALLY know how to bleed it dry without making things look that way..... oh wait, that part is mostly true; Christie, you get a break on that one.

In other words, if Christie was a REAL Republican then he'd have every person that's a resident in that state convinced that Obama is the card carrying commie-fascist muslim terrorist loving Kenyan born anti-American nation-destroying Satan worshiping monster that every loyal and true Repub either knows him to be or is wishing really really hard that allllll of the aforementioned is really true despite the facts proving otherwise.

Anyway, I think that's what is meant by those loyalist of loyal Tea Party patriot REAL Americans who know-for-a-fact that Christie's conservative pedigree papers are as fake as Obama's birth certy.

To them Christie makes Romney look like the progeny of a heavenly blessed one night tryst between Rush Limbaugh and Jan Brewer.......well, to you or myself that may seem kind'a horrific, but to a REAL Repub, who knows eh?

I'll let the Republicans decide who is fit to wear that title. I generally think the majoroty of Republicans are off the reservations. But being not a Real Republican still doesn't make you a Democrat. It simply makes you not a Real Republican.

 

[trenchfoot]

I'll let the Republicans decide who is fit to wear that title. I generally think the majoroty of Republicans are off the reservations. But being not a Real Republican still doesn't make you a Democrat. It simply makes you not a Real Republican.

So should we all. :thumbsup:

 

[WHAMPOM]

I said I'm David Hasselhoff. Does that mean I'm David Hasselhoff?

After you take a swim in the shit pit don't cry when you get called "stinky."

 

[Mai72]

Christy has told the teacher's union that he will put the pension issue on the ballot box, but every time the teacher's union declines. I wonder why? Could it be they would get their ass handed to them? Many homeowners in NJ have a very negative towards the NJEA and their croonies.

Could it be that they have gone after pay raises when everyone else was cutting back?
Could it be that we pay the highest property taxes in America?
Could it be that they only care about themselves?

Now, the unions have to concede. They lost. They need to restructure the pension system, because pigs will fly before NJ taxpayers cover this pension fiasco.

 

[Sonikku]

psst.. he's a repub

Don't puncture his bubble.


Let him dream. :'(

 

[Darwin333]

Yea and I'm David Hasselhoff

Pics of you and Pamela banging (back when she looked good) or I call BS.

 

[Darwin333]

Why is it the worker's fault for demanding what they were promised? They held up their end of the bargain by working for the state. The state's end was to pay salary and pension. If the state couldn't afford it, they should have stopped offering such pensions in the first place. As it stands now, the state is effectively stealing from the workers by reneging on pensions.

To be fair, the state probably didn't "offer" it. The public union most likely demanded something, anyone involved that had a few neurons to rub together knew wasn't feasible long term, and both sides eventually agreed because the people involved knew they wouldn't be around when the train came off the tracks.

 

[glenn1]

Why is it the worker's fault for demanding what they were promised? They held up their end of the bargain by working for the state. The state's end was to pay salary and pension. If the state couldn't afford it, they should have stopped offering such pensions in the first place. As it stands now, the state is effectively stealing from the workers by reneging on pensions.

Is that your attitude when it's government spending you don't like? Say, a defense contractor that runs a few billion over budget on an acquisition program. Did you stand up for the guys selling the $600 hammers and $5K toilet seats because the government agreed to it and said "well, they should just stop agreeing to buy $600 hammers", or do you slam them for taking advantage of taxpayers?

 

[MongGrel]

Typical democrat.

Sorry wtf up with that he he.

Yeah, right.

 

[Jhhnn]

Is that your attitude when it's government spending you don't like? Say, a defense contractor that runs a few billion over budget on an acquisition program. Did you stand up for the guys selling the $600 hammers and $5K toilet seats because the government agreed to it and said "well, they should just stop agreeing to buy $600 hammers", or do you slam them for taking advantage of taxpayers?

You do love false equivalency.

 

[Jhhnn]

To be fair, the state probably didn't "offer" it. The public union most likely demanded something, anyone involved that had a few neurons to rub together knew wasn't feasible long term, and both sides eventually agreed because the people involved knew they wouldn't be around when the train came off the tracks.

That's not really true. Failure to fund the pension fund adequately over many years, as promised, is the reason for the current situation. Christie correctly identifies it a sins of the past coming up to bite them in the ass. OTOH, he doesn't want to spread the pain past public employees, either. Why would he? Public employees have been thoroughly demonized as the bad guys so he has every right-think reason to toss 'em right under the bus.

Christine Whitman set it in motion 20 years ago-

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2011/03/07/doesnt-anyone-remember-christine-whitman/177285

She started looting the pension fund to serve the usual Repub agenda of tax cuts, but, uhh, nevermind that, right? Asking folks who've benefited from that to suffer part of the pain would obviously be too much to ask, particularly with public employees all lined up & bent over for the grand cornholio.

 

[pcgeek11]

Yea and I'm David Hasselhoff

Now that was funny! I like it.

 

[chucky2]

"The court’s majority, writing in a 5-2 decision, found the state needed to honor its obligations to retirees, but that a pension law signed by the administration wasn’t an enforceable contract."

HowTF is that even legal?

 

[ivwshane]

"The court’s majority, writing in a 5-2 decision, found the state needed to honor its obligations to retirees, but that a pension law signed by the administration wasn’t an enforceable contract."

HowTF is that even legal?

It's called having your cake and eating it too. Or all bark and no bite.

 

[chucky2]

I don't think it's a good idea to let Christie around any cake...

 

[nageov3t]

"The court’s majority, writing in a 5-2 decision, found the state needed to honor its obligations to retirees, but that a pension law signed by the administration wasn’t an enforceable contract."

HowTF is that even legal?

My understanding is that per the state constitution, such a spending increase is only legal if passed via voter referendum.

 

[ivwshane]

My understanding is that per the state constitution, such a spending increase is only legal if passed via voter referendum.

Ah, now that makes sense. Thanks!

 

[LegendKiller]

Why is it the worker's fault for demanding what they were promised? They held up their end of the bargain by working for the state. The state's end was to pay salary and pension. If the state couldn't afford it, they should have stopped offering such pensions in the first place. As it stands now, the state is effectively stealing from the workers by reneging on pensions.

If the unions didn't lobby the shit out of the state to get their "promises" (aka, buying votes) then they wouldn't get them, would they?

Taxpayers simply cannot afford what was promised, period. Get in line with the rest of us and be at risk for having your 401k go down in value.