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Nitrous rig vs a real car

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Goosemaster

Lifer
Anyone have any video clip of a little import ricer getting their ass kicked on a race track by a all-around car..such as a R34 or something? ie not a drag strip.



EDIT: I suck at the speelling:disgust:
 
What cracks me up is they don't understand we can put turbo's/blowers on our V8's too 😉
 
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Originally posted by: Evadman
THere is no replacement for displacement.
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That's nice dear, but I am talking about the whole package. Normal larger engine displacement can be outrun by changing the fuel mixture to add more air or another fuel(N_2_O) to increase revolutions and total displacement, just as big V8s can do the same and utterly destroy the smaller engines.

My query concerns overall car capabilities, such as body roll, tire grip due to good shocks etc.....

Suspension.
Brake System.
Aerodynamic Characteristics.
Materials
Tires
Engine Power Curve.



<----Future gearhead in training
 
First of all... air is not fuel, and neither is N2O. N2O is about 1/3 Oxygen, which is about twice as much oxygen that's in the atmosphere. Oxygen is an oxidiser, having more of it allows you to burn more fuel, THAT's where the power comes from. Also, the Nitrogen expands a lot when it gets hot, so cylinder pressure increases even more.
Adding too much Oxygen creates a lean mixture... lean mixtures burn very hot which is how you melt piston heads and rings. Lean mixtures also are prone to detonation... which means the air/fuel mixture ignites before the spark fires... that's bad too... causes pitting and lots of stress on the rotating assembly (among other things).

Blah blah blah... yadda yadda yadda 😀

*EDIT* By the way... I have no idea where you get the idea that adding more air and fuel "increase revolutions." That's stupid... it creates more power, which indirectly increases the RPM range of the engine... but that doesn't mean that's good for the engine.

**EDIT** Also... adding more air and fuel has zero effect on the total displacement of the engine. Displacement is a physical thing that cannot be changed by power adders. It can only be changed by changing the physical dimentions of the combustion chamber... including cylinder bore, stroke, combustion chamber volume, headgasket thickness, quench area, and the size of the piston dish/dome, whichever it may have.

***EDIT*** Hehe... 3rd and final edit... I have a video of an Ultima GTR on a road course passing a whole bunch of different cars. The Ultima GTR is powered by a small block chevy. That the kinda thing you're looking for? If no, I have some videos of "ricers" gettin smoked by Camaro's, Trans Ams, Corvettes, Vipers, Mustangs, etc. Also have some of those same cars being smoked by some "ricers." 😀
 
Nitrous is a poor excuse for getting more horsepower. Its a toy for street racers.

Its called life on the bottle. Your car becomes a binge alcoholic.

If you want the full package, good info, Google Carroll Smith & buy all his books used.

Then study all of them, he does not suffer fools.
 
Originally posted by: Jeff7181
First of all... air is not fuel, and neither is N2O. N2O is about 1/3 Oxygen, which is about twice as much oxygen that's in the atmosphere. Oxygen is an oxidiser, having more of it allows you to burn more fuel, THAT's where the power comes from. Also, the Nitrogen expands a lot when it gets hot, so cylinder pressure increases even more.
Adding too much Oxygen creates a lean mixture... lean mixtures burn very hot which is how you melt piston heads and rings. Lean mixtures also are prone to detonation... which means the air/fuel mixture ignites before the spark fires... that's bad too... causes pitting and lots of stress on the rotating assembly (among other things).

Blah blah blah... yadda yadda yadda 😀

*EDIT* By the way... I have no idea where you get the idea that adding more air and fuel "increase revolutions." That's stupid... it creates more power, which indirectly increases the RPM range of the engine... but that doesn't mean that's good for the engine.

**EDIT** Also... adding more air and fuel has zero effect on the total displacement of the engine. Displacement is a physical thing that cannot be changed by power adders. It can only be changed by changing the physical dimentions of the combustion chamber... including cylinder bore, stroke, combustion chamber volume, headgasket thickness, quench area, and the size of the piston dish/dome, whichever it may have.

***EDIT*** Hehe... 3rd and final edit... I have a video of an Ultima GTR on a road course passing a whole bunch of different cars. The Ultima GTR is powered by a small block chevy. That the kinda thing you're looking for? If no, I have some videos of "ricers" gettin smoked by Camaro's, Trans Ams, Corvettes, Vipers, Mustangs, etc. Also have some of those same cars being smoked by some "ricers." 😀
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Sweet info

*EDIT* By the way... I have no idea where you get the idea that adding more air and fuel "increase revolutions." That's stupid... it creates more power, which indirectly increases the RPM range of the engine... but that doesn't mean that's good for the engine.
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Definitely. I need work on my rhetoric😱

**EDIT** Also... adding more air and fuel has zero effect on the total displacement of the engine. Displacement is a physical thing that cannot be changed by power adders. It can only be changed by changing the physical dimentions of the combustion chamber... including cylinder bore, stroke, combustion chamber volume, headgasket thickness, quench area, and the size of the piston dish/dome, whichever it may have.
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I definitely understand what displacement is. However, I was reffering to the OVERALL AMOUNT of displacement let's say per second, not the amount of displacement per stroke. In that, a faster reving smaller engine can create considerable power...more so than a 4 or 6 cylinder engine might imply.

Bascially, I was reffering to quantity over quality per stroke. Obviosuly, that isn't the whole story when talking about oeverall performance. If the powercurve is too high, the engine with have weak numbers unless you are gunning the throttle.


***EDIT*** Hehe... 3rd and final edit... I have a video of an Ultima GTR on a road course passing a whole bunch of different cars. The Ultima GTR is powered by a small block chevy. That the kinda thing you're looking for? If no, I have some videos of "ricers" gettin smoked by Camaro's, Trans Ams, Corvettes, Vipers, Mustangs, etc. Also have some of those same cars being smoked by some "ricers."
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Sweet. If they are beating corvettes they are not "ricers." Ricers are ugly POS that have balls filled with Nitrous.

REAL cars have balls of steel, bored by Gods😀

EDIT:....oh and turbo's😉



<----Future gearhead in training
for all intents and purposes, I am an idiot when it comes to cars. I beg to be corrected, and appreciate any assistance from understanding individuals. If you like this profile, call Bob @ 555-xx...
 
Then you mean airflow instead of displacement.

BTW, Jeff, nitrogen expands at roughly the same rate as all other gases when temperature is increased.
 
i dont think anyone would use nitrous on a road course... unless you were a riceboy... 😕 i saw a "drifting" car fitted with a nitrous kit somewhere on the net... hahahahahahaha... 😕
 
Originally posted by: boyRacer
i dont think anyone would use nitrous on a road course... unless you were a riceboy... 😕 i saw a "drifting" car fitted with a nitrous kit somewhere on the net... hahahahahahaha... 😕
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Did the driver die?

I would assume drifting and adding so much power when cornering would provide quite and "interesting" outcome😀
 
Listen, we all saw that RX-7 get it's balls knocked in by a Twin-turbodiesel Cummins F-350 with the injectors running wide open. It wasn't even running propane injection (The N2O of the diesel world). That thing could have taken apart a McLaren F1 on the drag (by a full second if the F-350 driver worked on his launch a bit)

Imagine what "OMFG 10 ZILLION HORSEPOWER" can do against a riceboy if you implant it in a vehicle that can still corner.
 
Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis
Airflow IS what matters. Not displacement.


There's no replacement for area under the hp curve.
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There is no replacement for displacement. You have a 4cyl engine and a 8cyl engine next to each other... You change the mixture on the 4cyl... Ok, 4cyl puts out more horses now than the stock v8.. but.. oh.. wait a minute... *ups the mixture on the v8" oh sh!t... v8 is king again... ok... lets put turbo on 4cyl *plop* there we go... oh wait, we forgot something *throws turbo on v8* ah damn, v8 is king again... ok.. what i'm I forgetting... hmmm... oh yeah... i'm forgetting that There is no replacement for displacement.

Bill
 
More displacement = more potential for making more horsepower, but there's much more to it than that. It's all about how much air/fuel you can cram into the cylinder (and then get the exhaust gasses back out); cam grind, cylinder head design (port size/shape, valve size, combustion chamber shape, etc.), intake manifold design (carbureted or fuel injected? Intake runner size/length, plenum design/size), carburetor size/design or fuel injection system design/configuration, header design (tube diameter/length, collector size/shape), engine compression.. blah blah blah

The 2bbl Ford 400 from the 1970's is an excellent example of a large engine that doesn't do squat.. (my parents used to have a Gran Torino station wagon with this motor, and it made a whopping 168hp)

The use of nitrous oxide is a valid means toward making horsepower, but too many people slap it onto an otherwise near-stock engine and think they're the shiet.
 
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
More displacement = more potential for making more horsepower, but there's much more to it than that. It's all about how much air/fuel you can cram into the cylinder (and then get the exhaust gasses back out); cam grind, cylinder head design (port size/shape, valve size, combustion chamber shape, etc.), intake manifold design (carbureted or fuel injected? Intake runner size/length, plenum design/size), carburetor size/design or fuel injection system design/configuration, header design (tube diameter/length, collector size/shape), engine compression.. blah blah blah

The 2bbl Ford 400 from the 1970's is an excellent example of a large engine that doesn't do squat.. (my parents used to have a Gran Torino station wagon with this motor, and it made a whopping 168hp)

The use of nitrous oxide is a valid means toward making horsepower, but too many people slap it onto an otherwise near-stock engine and think they're the shiet.
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pretty much, big displacement engines will top out lot higher than smaller ones, so its just a matter of how you compare it. 3 liter tt v6 will push more hp/torque than a stock 5.0. On the other hand blowed 5.0 will push more hp than stock n/a v6. Theres no point of generalizing it, that replacement for displacement is as much of a BS statement as the hp/liter ratio
 
Originally posted by: aRCeNiTe
There are also sh!tty 4cyl engines as well.

Bill
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You can't be serious!

You really don't mean that all 4 cyl engines CAN'T beat the pants off a Mustang GT with just the addition of a K&N filter and a fart can? Tell me it ain't so!


LoL

Any car can kick arse with enough money poured into it. But what are you going for? Road racing? Quarter mile? My old 280z could smoke quite a few cars just with the oversized throttle body and clean injetors. But the minute the stock Mustang 5.0 got a header replacement I was done. So then I did a header replacement, and then the Mustang got a chip... It goes on and on.

That Ling may be street legal and very fast, but, again, it's a matter of throwing money at it. I can have a show winning truck if I throw enough $$ at Boyd to build it for me.
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That said, you guys who've BUILT your cars up yourselves, and not paid someone to do it, deserve respect. Those of you that took your cars to a "tuner" are just people with too much money.
 
Originally posted by: DurocShark
Originally posted by: aRCeNiTe
There are also sh!tty 4cyl engines as well.

Bill
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You can't be serious!

You really don't mean that all 4 cyl engines CAN'T beat the pants off a Mustang GT with just the addition of a K&N filter and a fart can? Tell me it ain't so!


LoL

Any car can kick arse with enough money poured into it. But what are you going for? Road racing? Quarter mile? My old 280z could smoke quite a few cars just with the oversized throttle body and clean injetors. But the minute the stock Mustang 5.0 got a header replacement I was done. So then I did a header replacement, and then the Mustang got a chip... It goes on and on.

That Ling may be street legal and very fast, but, again, it's a matter of throwing money at it. I can have a show winning truck if I throw enough $$ at Boyd to build it for me.
rolleye.gif


That said, you guys who've BUILT your cars up yourselves, and not paid someone to do it, deserve respect. Those of you that took your cars to a "tuner" are just people with too much money.
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😉 I was referring to astaroth's previous post

Bill
 
Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Listen, we all saw that RX-7 get it's balls knocked in by a Twin-turbodiesel Cummins F-350 with the injectors running wide open. It wasn't even running propane injection (The N2O of the diesel world). That thing could have taken apart a McLaren F1 on the drag (by a full second if the F-350 driver worked on his launch a bit)

Imagine what "OMFG 10 ZILLION HORSEPOWER" can do against a riceboy if you implant it in a vehicle that can still corner.
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Do you have a link to this video by chance?
 
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