Nissan GTR engine VR not VQ 3.8L not 3.7L

[overst33r]

Nissan GT-R Engine Code: Not VQ

Holiday Auto gives us a little more information on the upcoming GT-R?s engine code, power output characteristics, FM platform and improved head light technology.

Over the last few years, there has been so much speculation surrounding just exactly what type of engine will power the upcoming Nissan GT-R. Although Japanese Automotive magazine Holiday Auto doesn?t actually confirm that the capacity of the new engine will be 3.8L, they do explain to some extent why the new power plant won?t be a part of the VQ family of engines currently used in the V-series Skyline sedan and coupe models. Also discussed is the FM platform and how it influences the GT-R?s advertising catch-phrase and just why the new GT-R?s headlights are a step ahead of the rest.

Engine Code: VR38

Peak Power: 480ps/6,800rpm

Peak Torque: 58.0kgm/1,700 - 5,600rpm

Details: The engine powering the new GT-R will be extremely lightweight compared to engines of similar capacity and complexity. Titanium intake valves and magnesium alloy exhaust valves will be used as well as a version of the new VVEL (Variable Valve Event and Lift) technology as used in the V36 Skyline Coupe. Red line is from 7,600rpm, with a 7,800rpm rev limit. Even after peak power has been achieved at 6,800rpm, 90% of maximum power will still be available from 6,800 - 7,500rpm with the power curve staying virtually flat from 6,800rpm to red line. The secret to the GT-R?s speed is in it?s ability to obtain peak torque at such low revs, as well as a very usable spread of power right across the rev range. There is even mention of the engine being designed for a maximum power output of 600ps, but being detuned to 480ps for production.

The engine powering the 2008 GT-R is not part of the VQ family? Holiday Auto have reportedly been told that the engine appearing in the new GT-R has a ?VR? designation, leading them to believe that it has a strong connection to the VRH35L from the Nissan R390 that contested the Le Mans 24 Hour endurance race! We?ll have more on this soon.

Wide Angle HID:

In a world first, Nissan have developed new wide angle HID head lights for the GT-R, throwing light out to the sides of the car much more effectively than current HID head lights. The new HIDs reportedly allow up to 60m visibility ahead of the vehicle which will coincide with other advanced safety features to help the driver to avoid collisions.

?Premium Midship? Platform:

Nissan have a catch phrase for the platform of the new GT-R, they call it ?Premium Midship?. Weight has been concentrated between the front and rear wheels to make it the ultimate handling package, it being the latest and greatest incarnation of Nissan?s FM platform.

Details concerning turbo boost levels (1.5kgf/cm2), lightweight engine parts (magnesium cam covers, timing chain case and oil pan, aluminium intake manifold), high response turbochargers and carbon bonnet were also mentioned briefly. There are only a few more pieces of the GT-R jigsaw puzzle to go now?

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/0...e-tech-details-emerge/

http://www.7tune.com/?p=88

Sweet, now let's just hope that they can make that 60k price tag...

 

[hydroponik]

It's not a skyline.

 

[overst33r]

Originally posted by: hydroponik
It's not a skyline.

My fault, habit.

 

[Soccerman06]

Can someone translate those numbers into hp/lb-ft and psi please

 

[mwmorph]

Originally posted by: Soccerman06
Can someone translate those numbers into hp/lb-ft and psi please

473hp(give or take 1hp)
420lb/ft(give or take a few)
22psi boost(give or take a few tenths)

 

[exdeath]

22 psi doesn't leave much for tuning potential does it... I'd rather see 8-12 lbs making 400 HP with room to play.

And thats not a Skyline. It's a G35 that looks like a Tiburon.

This is a Skyline: http://chrisnz.com/wp-content/.../05/GTR_NUR_R34_21.jpg



I'd rather have the R34 brought here as a 2008 US model than this thing.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: exdeath
22 psi doesn't leave much for tuning potential does it... I'd rather see 8-12 lbs making 400 HP with room to play.

And thats not a Skyline. It's a G35 that looks like a Tiburon.

This is a Skyline: http://chrisnz.com/wp-content/.../05/GTR_NUR_R34_21.jpg



I'd rather have the R34 brought here as a 2008 US model than this thing.

Ditto. Of course, I'd rather have a 560ZX (retail version of the 350Z w/5.6L that's been done by tuners here and there) than either. The Skyline is a fantastic vehicle, but I can only imagine the maintenance costs on it. Of course, if I could afford the $50-100k to buy get an imported/legalized US version, I could afford it most likely

Tiburons are nasty looking, IMHO. At least you can get used ones for dirt cheap, and at least they're not neons

 

[jagec]

"midship"? Looks like a front-mounted engine to me.

 

[mwmorph]

Originally posted by: jagec
"midship"? Looks like a front-mounted engine to me.

Front Midship(Nissan FM Platform), engine is technically mounted behind the axles, Ferrari also used that excuse to call the 599 Mid engined...

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: exdeath
22 psi doesn't leave much for tuning potential does it... I'd rather see 8-12 lbs making 400 HP with room to play.

And thats not a Skyline. It's a G35 that looks like a Tiburon.

This is a Skyline: http://chrisnz.com/wp-content/.../05/GTR_NUR_R34_21.jpg



I'd rather have the R34 brought here as a 2008 US model than this thing.

Ditto. Of course, I'd rather have a 560ZX (retail version of the 350Z w/5.6L that's been done by tuners here and there) than either. The Skyline is a fantastic vehicle, but I can only imagine the maintenance costs on it. Of course, if I could afford the $50-100k to buy get an imported/legalized US version, I could afford it most likely

Tiburons are nasty looking, IMHO. At least you can get used ones for dirt cheap, and at least they're not neons

Time to spend some quality time with Google...

I thought import guys hated domestics for relying on displacement to make power instead of ' sophisticated engineering' and lambasted the imbred hick practice of 'throwing oversized truck engines into heavy cars' and calling it a performance car? *snicker*

Guess they are finally learning. That or just the real import tuners know the golden rule: there is no replacement for displacement, and the former arguments are made by ricers and internet racers looking to justify spending more money on a slower car by spouting their 'technology and advanced engineering' mantra (like VTEC > V8, etc).

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: exdeath
22 psi doesn't leave much for tuning potential does it... I'd rather see 8-12 lbs making 400 HP with room to play.

And thats not a Skyline. It's a G35 that looks like a Tiburon.

This is a Skyline: http://chrisnz.com/wp-content/.../05/GTR_NUR_R34_21.jpg



I'd rather have the R34 brought here as a 2008 US model than this thing.

Ditto. Of course, I'd rather have a 560ZX (retail version of the 350Z w/5.6L that's been done by tuners here and there) than either. The Skyline is a fantastic vehicle, but I can only imagine the maintenance costs on it. Of course, if I could afford the $50-100k to buy get an imported/legalized US version, I could afford it most likely

Tiburons are nasty looking, IMHO. At least you can get used ones for dirt cheap, and at least they're not neons

Time to spend some quality time with Google...

eh, you may have misread my post, or I didn't state it clearly enough. When I say 'I'd rather have', I mean that I wish it were made by Nissan themselves. That's what the 'done by tuners here and there' means. There have been numerous 5.6L swaps into 350Zs, and the results seem awesome :

http://www.superstreetonline.c...oadster/car_specs.html

http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread/143510

Ah poo, there was a cool Black one with red highlights and blacked out wheels that is online somewhere as well with the VK56 under the hood.

Anyway you get my point, I think : which is

(1)- Nissan does not make a 560ZX
(2)- Tuners can (and have done so successfully) do it themselves
(3)- I wish Nissan would just make a factory one
(4)- Underpants
(5)- ....?
(6)- Profit!

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: exdeath
22 psi doesn't leave much for tuning potential does it... I'd rather see 8-12 lbs making 400 HP with room to play.

And thats not a Skyline. It's a G35 that looks like a Tiburon.

This is a Skyline: http://chrisnz.com/wp-content/.../05/GTR_NUR_R34_21.jpg



I'd rather have the R34 brought here as a 2008 US model than this thing.

Ditto. Of course, I'd rather have a 560ZX (retail version of the 350Z w/5.6L that's been done by tuners here and there) than either. The Skyline is a fantastic vehicle, but I can only imagine the maintenance costs on it. Of course, if I could afford the $50-100k to buy get an imported/legalized US version, I could afford it most likely

Tiburons are nasty looking, IMHO. At least you can get used ones for dirt cheap, and at least they're not neons

Time to spend some quality time with Google...

eh, you may have misread my post, or I didn't state it clearly enough. When I say 'I'd rather have', I mean that I wish it were made by Nissan themselves. That's what the 'done by tuners here and there' means. There have been numerous 5.6L swaps into 350Zs, and the results seem awesome :

http://www.superstreetonline.c...oadster/car_specs.html

http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread/143510

Ah poo, there was a cool Black one with red highlights and blacked out wheels that is online somewhere as well with the VK56 under the hood.

Anyway you get my point, I think : which is

(1)- Nissan does not make a 560ZX
(2)- Tuners can (and have done so successfully) do it themselves
(3)- I wish Nissan would just make a factory one
(4)- Underpants
(5)- ....?
(6)- Profit!

No no no I mean time for *me* to spend some time on Google looking into the 560ZX tuner jobs because its the first time I heard of it and it sounds interesting.

I think it's funny that ricers hate domestics for relying on displacement to make power instead of 'sophisticated engineering' and lambast the imbred hick practice of 'throwing oversized truck engines into heavy cars' and calling it a performance car... when even the real tuners know the golden rule: there is no replacement for displacement.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: exdeath
22 psi doesn't leave much for tuning potential does it... I'd rather see 8-12 lbs making 400 HP with room to play.

And thats not a Skyline. It's a G35 that looks like a Tiburon.

This is a Skyline: http://chrisnz.com/wp-content/.../05/GTR_NUR_R34_21.jpg



I'd rather have the R34 brought here as a 2008 US model than this thing.

Ditto. Of course, I'd rather have a 560ZX (retail version of the 350Z w/5.6L that's been done by tuners here and there) than either. The Skyline is a fantastic vehicle, but I can only imagine the maintenance costs on it. Of course, if I could afford the $50-100k to buy get an imported/legalized US version, I could afford it most likely

Tiburons are nasty looking, IMHO. At least you can get used ones for dirt cheap, and at least they're not neons

Time to spend some quality time with Google...

I thought import guys hated domestics for relying on displacement to make power instead of ' sophisticated engineering' and lambasted the imbred hick practice of 'throwing oversized truck engines into heavy cars' and calling it a performance car? *snicker*

Guess they are finally learning. That or just the real import tuners know the golden rule: there is no replacement for displacement, and the former arguments are made by ricers and internet racers looking to justify spending more money on a slower car by spouting their 'technology and advanced engineering' mantra (like VTEC > V8, etc).

Well, to be fair, that used to be true for a lot of stock vehicles. The 3.0L TT VR-4 from 1991 would walk all over the 1991 Corvette, and even hang closely with the super rare ZR-1. And we're talking about an engine with almost half the displacement. Ditto for today's S2000 vs Mustang GT, another close race, with engines that are half the size of the bigger one.

I'm on both sides of the fence here. I see nothing wrong with a big burly beast of a motor like the 8+ liter Viper engines, and nothing wrong with small buzzy nice motors like the B18C that is so popular with Civic/Integra tuners. What I do see wrong is when someone on either side of said fence puts the other side down out of ignorance/jealously/stupidity, or otherwise. Nothing wrong with personal preference, but it sucks when people are a$$hats about the subject.

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: exdeath
22 psi doesn't leave much for tuning potential does it... I'd rather see 8-12 lbs making 400 HP with room to play.

And thats not a Skyline. It's a G35 that looks like a Tiburon.

This is a Skyline: http://chrisnz.com/wp-content/.../05/GTR_NUR_R34_21.jpg



I'd rather have the R34 brought here as a 2008 US model than this thing.

Ditto. Of course, I'd rather have a 560ZX (retail version of the 350Z w/5.6L that's been done by tuners here and there) than either. The Skyline is a fantastic vehicle, but I can only imagine the maintenance costs on it. Of course, if I could afford the $50-100k to buy get an imported/legalized US version, I could afford it most likely

Tiburons are nasty looking, IMHO. At least you can get used ones for dirt cheap, and at least they're not neons

Time to spend some quality time with Google...

I thought import guys hated domestics for relying on displacement to make power instead of ' sophisticated engineering' and lambasted the imbred hick practice of 'throwing oversized truck engines into heavy cars' and calling it a performance car? *snicker*

Guess they are finally learning. That or just the real import tuners know the golden rule: there is no replacement for displacement, and the former arguments are made by ricers and internet racers looking to justify spending more money on a slower car by spouting their 'technology and advanced engineering' mantra (like VTEC > V8, etc).

Well, to be fair, that used to be true for a lot of stock vehicles. The 3.0L TT VR-4 from 1991 would walk all over the 1991 Corvette, and even hang closely with the super rare ZR-1. And we're talking about an engine with almost half the displacement. Ditto for today's S2000 vs Mustang GT, another close race, with engines that are half the size of the bigger one.

I'm on both sides of the fence here. I see nothing wrong with a big burly beast of a motor like the 8+ liter Viper engines, and nothing wrong with small buzzy nice motors like the B18C that is so popular with Civic/Integra tuners. What I do see wrong is when someone on either side of said fence puts the other side down out of ignorance/jealously/stupidity, or otherwise. Nothing wrong with personal preference, but it sucks when people are a$$hats about the subject.

Yeah, I drive a '03 Cobra and still something fascinates me about 1900 lb EG6's with GSR engines running 11s for under $10g. As long as they aren't riced out, because even fast cars can still be rice I don't care if its a Viper or a Civic.

A stock Mustang GT isn't fast though, not by American muscle standards.

 

[Arkaign]

Man those '03 Cobras are beastly. Let me ask you something, since you seem very knowledgeable on the subject. My landlord (for both my home and business property) also buys and sells cars that he gets out of the Waco auctions. Right now he has a 2003 Roush Stage 3 Mustang that he got for 12.8k, it's gorgeous inside and out, glossy black and sounds incredibly good. It seems mechanically and cosmetically perfect except for a dent on the rear left fender (just above the tire) that is very small and shallow. He wants $15.5k for it, is that a decent buy? My brother is considering it as a spare fun car. It has the Roush signature all over the place, documents with it, etc.

 

[ayabe]

Sounds great on paper, but pricing is still the real factor. One of those blogs the OP linked had some pricing info and some suggested $56K, $68K, and $98K for each the trim levels in a direct conversion. This was dated info so we'll see.

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I wouldn't want the DSG or carbon fiber body panels so I'd stick with the base model.

Aside from the innate BMW sexytime, I couldn't see choosing an M3 over this fine automobile at this price.

 

[mwmorph]

Originally posted by: ayabe
Sounds great on paper, but pricing is still the real factor. One of those blogs the OP linked had some pricing info and some suggested $56K, $68K, and $98K for each the trim levels in a direct conversion. This was dated info so we'll see.

Text

I wouldn't want the DSG or carbon fiber body panels so I'd stick with the base model.

Aside from the innate BMW sexytime, I couldn't see choosing an M3 over this fine automobile at this price.

56K I can see, 68K, is stretching it for a trans and brake upgrade but 98K just for bodywork :Q I think that's too much...

At 56K you're competing with C6 Corvettes 436/428. Understandable
At 68K you're competing with Z06, 505/475 or a Lotus Exige S

At 98K you might just be stretching it too far. 600hp Viper is probably the closest competitor because beyond that you're competing with much more prestigious badges like Audi R8s, 911GT3s and Aston Martin V8 Vantages. As far as performance wise, I'm sue it'll do fine but Nissan and even Infiniti doesn't have the badge prestige to sell a 100K car do they? I mean even for Lexus, the most prestigious Japanese luxury brand, a $100K car is a hard sell(A la 600h).

It'll be doubly hard for Nissan/Infiniti since a car with 90%+ of the performance will cost only $68K

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: Arkaign
Man those '03 Cobras are beastly. Let me ask you something, since you seem very knowledgeable on the subject. My landlord (for both my home and business property) also buys and sells cars that he gets out of the Waco auctions. Right now he has a 2003 Roush Stage 3 Mustang that he got for 12.8k, it's gorgeous inside and out, glossy black and sounds incredibly good. It seems mechanically and cosmetically perfect except for a dent on the rear left fender (just above the tire) that is very small and shallow. He wants $15.5k for it, is that a decent buy? My brother is considering it as a spare fun car. It has the Roush signature all over the place, documents with it, etc.

Don't know anything about Roush and Saleen, but mostly from what I've seen, they are overpriced factory body kits and seldom offer any serious bite to back up the bark. Maybe they used to have something high performance (ie: S351?) but these days they seem like everyone else, where a stage XXXXXIII super ultra turbo mega edition consists of a $15,000 body kit, a signature plaque, chrome rims, a lowering kit, and a +10 HP cold air kit and exhaust on a stock engine. But really, I have no clue, 99.99% of my knowledge in this area applies to the 03 Cobra exclusively. In fact modern Mustangs never even excited me until the 2003 SVT started getting a reputation for being over the top, and even then I get offended when someone calls an 03 Cobra a 'Mustang' as much as someone calling a MKIV Supra a 'Celica'

Best bet is to get on some classifieds or forums or even ebay and see what completed cars in different conditions went for, average it out, get a blue book, etc. I knew everything about my car and what it was worth all across the board before I even got one. Probably best not to buy a car like that unless you know the car beforehand.

Might want to look at the '03 Mach 1 and compare, I think those go for around $18k and would have much more potential than a V6 or SOHC Roush. But it's kind of like computers... you see what you can get for $50 more... then think you are complacent, then see yet again what another $50 can buy you, etc... might just want to go all out and get a '03 Cobra for $24k even if it takes a little longer to save for I promise you won't regret it. Most people sell these cars because they can't afford to get into trouble any more or because they don't drive it, not because they can't wait to get rid of it.

If the Roush stage 3 is a supercharged 4.6 on the other hand, it's probably good for around 400 horses which would be a steal for $15,000 I would think (what other supercharged 400 HP cars do you know of for that price?), but again I'm not all that familiar with Roush.

 

[zerocool84]

I've never seen S2k's run mid 13's and it's all in the gearing for accerlation.

 

[overst33r]

Originally posted by: zerocool84
I've never seen S2k's run mid 13's and it's all in the gearing for accerlation.

There's a few time slips on S2ki for stock s2000 that have 13.6... I haven't seen 13.5 either.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: mariok2006

Originally posted by: hydroponik
It's not a skyline.

My fault, habit.

semantics...like Infiniti is not Nissan either.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: exdeath
22 psi doesn't leave much for tuning potential does it... I'd rather see 8-12 lbs making 400 HP with room to play.

And thats not a Skyline. It's a G35 that looks like a Tiburon.

This is a Skyline: http://chrisnz.com/wp-content/.../05/GTR_NUR_R34_21.jpg



I'd rather have the R34 brought here as a 2008 US model than this thing.

huh...just swapping the turbo is usually how that's done, rather than playing with the stocker.

Many yanked the twin turbos of the R32-34 GT-R's to go single and still do.

The R34 was done in 2003, why would it ever be re-released as a later model? I love the car, but I seriously doubt it would sell in mass numbers in today's market.

 

[alkemyst]

Rousch and Saleen offer higher performance mustangs than what's offered at the dealership. The problem is they sell just the body kits at the dealerships usually for just the show and no go.

There are a ton of non-performance rousch mustangs around here.

 

[Apex]

Details: The engine powering the new GT-R will be extremely lightweight compared to engines of similar capacity and complexity. Titanium intake valves and magnesium alloy exhaust valves will be used as well as a version of the new VVEL (Variable Valve Event and Lift) technology as used in the V36 Skyline Coupe. Red line is from 7,600rpm, with a 7,800rpm rev limit. Even after peak power has been achieved at 6,800rpm, 90% of maximum power will still be available from 6,800 - 7,500rpm with the power curve staying virtually flat from 6,800rpm to red line. The secret to the GT-R?s speed is in it?s ability to obtain peak torque at such low revs, as well as a very usable spread of power right across the rev range. There is even mention of the engine being designed for a maximum power output of 600ps, but being detuned to 480ps for production.

I wish they actually said how much the fully dressed engine weighed. Then, it would actually mean something. The last gen was very heavy.

 

[vshah]

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: jagec
"midship"? Looks like a front-mounted engine to me.

Front Midship(Nissan FM Platform), engine is technically mounted behind the axles, Ferrari also used that excuse to call the 599 Mid engined...

i believe the s2000 is also similar