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alphatarget1

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well here is the story, i went to a nissan dealership and test drove a sentra GXE ... pretty nice little car but nothing compared to my other accord V6 (duh).

So I was just looking for information online about sentra, when i typed in "nissan.com" it was another computer company and the frontpage caught my attention: Nissan lawsuit against Nissan computer corp.

holy sh!t, they're suing this little company for $10,000,000!!!
 

Colt45

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Apr 18, 2001
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Who wants to start up "Datsun Computers Inc." with me? ;)


I assume Nissan still owns rights to that though..
greedy bastards :p
 

Rallispec

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oh.. and by the way-- i was joking. :)

i think nissan just needs to suck it up and let them keep their name. NissanDriven.com is cooler anyways.



back when i owned SentraXE.com (i probably still do actually) nissan never sent me any nasty emails. :)
 

Desturel

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Didn't McDonalds just lose a case exactly like this one? Where a person named McDonalds had a pub named McDonalds or something like that?
 

SuperTool

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I hope Nissan motors wins
I am sick of typing in nissandriven.com
I bet 99% of people going to Nissan.com go there looking for Nissan cars.
This "computer corporation" is milking Nissan Motor corp brand name for all they can.
 

chiwawa626

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Aug 15, 2000
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Yeah i read about this like a year back and how nissan tryed to buy em or threaten them...pretty sad.
 
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Actually, he's really got a pretty good case, but it's going to come down to 'how big is your business?' and Nissan Motor Corporation will win hands down.
 

amnesiac

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I'm surprised Nissan hasn't just try to buy the domain name from him outright. (he made no mention of them offering to buy the site in his story)
It would probably be cheaper for them instead of the lawsuit. If they in fact have offered to purchase the site from him and he declined, he could well be the stupidest businessowner ever.
 

Rainsford

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I think this is pretty stupid. Just because you have the same name as some other company and they got the domain name first is no cause to sue them. I call it tough sh!t. Nissan the car company has no more right to Nissan.com than Nissan the computer company. As long as Nissan the computer company uses that name legally (and since they are incoporated in the US, I'll assume they are), Nissan the car company has no legal right to the domain name.

But, as others have pointed out, it will come down to who has the most money. Bah, I don't like Nissan anyways, just another reason not to buy their cars.
 

goodoptics

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I've never like Nissan cars. After reading the story, there is no way in h3ll I will even remotedly consider buying their cars in the future. I'll spread the word to my family and friends. I really hate corporate terrorism. :disgust:
 

Jzero

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Originally posted by: SuperTool
I hope Nissan motors wins
I am sick of typing in nissandriven.com
I bet 99% of people going to Nissan.com go there looking for Nissan cars.
This "computer corporation" is milking Nissan Motor corp brand name for all they can.

Have you actually read his story? I've actually been following it for a few years now. The site owner's name is actually Uzi Nissan, and he started up his business and purchased nissan.com LONG before it was "trendy" for everyone in the world to have a domain name. He registered his own name in good faith, and proceeded to run his business from it. He did't leave it empty and just try to extort money from Nissan motors. He did and does use the name actively. It doubly strengthens his case that he registered his OWN name. It's not like a guy named Jzero registering Honda.com for no reason.

Furthermore, he makes no misrepresentations that if you came looking for Nissan Motors, you've come to the wrong place, and the first words on the homepage tell you say.
They never tried to extort anything from Nissan Motors.

Additionally Nissan implicitly admits that they are wrong!
How?
The IC@NN Uniform Domain Resolution Protocol was developed SPECIFICALLY to address these kinds of disputes. It was meant as a fast and easy way to take out cybersquatters. To add to this, the UDRP judges have been TRADITIONALLY BIASED TOWARDS BIG BUSINESS. In many cases, even when a registrant has satisfied the conditions necessary to keep a domain (those conditions being 1) that the name is not confusingly similar to a registered trademark, 2) that the registrant has a legit interest in the name, and 3) that the registrant bought the domain in good faith), the board has OVERRIDDEN those criteria and STILL awarded the name to whom they felt had a more legitimate claim.
UDRP is a very inexpensive process (aside from domain transfer costs at the end, I believe it is free), and is also much faster than trying to push a civil lawsuit through appeal after appeal.
So why hasn't Nissan Motors simply filed for a UDRP proceeding? I think it's pretty obvious that they don't think they'll win. While the guy's name is confusingly similar to Nissan Motors, they would never be able to prove before the Board that he has no interest in the name, nor that he registered it in bad faith. Nissan Motors' attorney's obviously believe that even in their most depraved moment of stupidity, no UDRP Board would ever throw the dispute in their favor.

Instead, they choose to try to run a small business out of money, or at the very least take the gamble that a jury of our peers will have enough techno-morons, or even people like SuperTool who are just plain apathetic, would be willing to rule in their favor.

It's pretty much a shoo-in for Nissan Motors in a federal court, where if they brought it before UDRP, they'd be screwed.

Why should you care about this? This is just the next step in the destruction of the Internet. What was once a place of freely shared information becomes less and less free. A place where the spoils of your work were awarded on a first-come first-served basis is turning into a place where big business will just buy up anything you come up with and leave you with nothing.

It's most unfortunate.

 

rh71

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
I think this is pretty stupid. Just because you have the same name as some other company and they got the domain name first is no cause to sue them. I call it tough sh!t. Nissan the car company has no more right to Nissan.com than Nissan the computer company. As long as Nissan the computer company uses that name legally (and since they are incoporated in the US, I'll assume they are), Nissan the car company has no legal right to the domain name.

I completely agree.

Nissan Motors should go suck it. The Nissan computer company is not cybersquatting and they registered it for their business first. What's the beef? Check this: "Nissan Motors' intention to make this case as expensive for me as possible was evident from the beginning. " Sore f@&!ing losers. If any M$ haters around here buy Nissan vehicles after knowing about this, you can go suck it too, f@$&!*^ hypocrites. Die a horrible death.
 

RGN

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I'm a die hard Nissan fan ;) but I don't agree with the idea that this guy should give up his domain. Everyone KNOWS nissandriven.com.
 

ZeroBurn

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isn't this the same sh!t frys electronics pulled with frys.com? they put out some small business that already owned it called frenchy frys

oh well, that's capitalism for ya. whoever's got the bigger guns are gonna win. which incidentally sets the precedent for the next time something like this happens.

 

badluck

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funny....I did the same thing yesterday....went to Nissan.com and saw this....kinda sux as Nissan is throwing around their money. Who knows...
 

AdamDuritz99

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OMG! That pisses me off. :|!!!

I hope everybody emails nissan and telling how much they disagree with their actions.

peace
sean
 

ZeroBurn

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is it me, or does it seem like they'd lose more with the legal battle to steal that domain, than they would by just sticking with their current? i mean what kind of sales figures do you suppose they lose by having a few people go to nissan.com, not see nissan motors, and therefore not buy their car? not to mention the public backlash from people who are going to boycott nissan for their corporate terrorism.

 

Jzero

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not to mention the public backlash from people who are going to boycott nissan for their corporate terrorism.

What public backlash? This has dispute has been dragging on for a few years now, and very few people have even heard about it, let alone care enough to not buy a perfectly good car over it.
 

ZeroBurn

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Originally posted by: Jzero
not to mention the public backlash from people who are going to boycott nissan for their corporate terrorism.

What public backlash? This has dispute has been dragging on for a few years now, and very few people have even heard about it, let alone care enough to not buy a perfectly good car over it.

maybe not public as in mass media, but backlash in general. people have already shown dismay towards nissan in this thread, i would think that would harms sales figures more than they would gain by simply shortening their domain.