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Originally posted by: everman
the Wii swings wildly between deal-breaking frustration and hollow victories. Ultimately, it never achieves the level of difficulty that every console should aspire to: a good, fair challenge.

And they almost mention poor control in metroid prime 3 corruption.

First off they played a beta version of metroid, it won't be released for a while still. Perhaps they should have tried Zelda, which is actually finished.

I've calibrated my controller so it's very responsive, I can pick off multiple targets with the bow in zelda pretty easily without using the lock on.

As for difficulty, again I say play Zelda. It's plenty challenging to have fun, it's not super difficult as far as enemy challenges go but that's a game design decision.


ummmm did you read the article? he said he had played zelda...

I got a taste of console condescension while playing the new Legend of Zelda game at a sprawling Wii press preview. During a quest to catch a magical fish, the onscreen directions told me to cast my line by swinging the right controller back, then forward. And when the fish bit, a graphic showed me how to make a reeling motion with the nunchuk. I was annoyed when I couldn't shoot straight, but this was worse. The Wii is T-ball for gamers.
 

pontifex

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Originally posted by: VIAN
Originally posted by: Kromis
In relation to this "console" war. You don't seem to like the Wii and I don't believe you have said anything about the PS3 or 360 yet. I know its just your opinion but I'd just like to know. I'm not gonna bash anybody or whatever, just want to satisfy my curiosity.
Disclaimer: This is my view on the gaming experiences of current generation consoles.

Wii
I don?t like the direction that Nintendo is headed. I?m not a casual gamer and those are who Nintendo is trying to attract. How will I, as a moderate gamer, be taken care of? Will there be a good variety of games? Will they be too easy?

My favorite games on recent Nintendo consoles have been Mario games, Zelda and other 1st and 2nd party games. Lately, there have been less of these, with more focus on Zelda. And Zelda doesn?t normally have a lot of innovation, except in Wind Waker?s case, which offered amazing graphics and a new, fun to explore world. The lack of innovation holds true with Twilight Princess, which looks like a tweaked Ocarina of Time. It may be fun, but nothing compared to Wind Waker. Wind Waker was a true classic.

Am I going to buy a new system for one or two games? No. The variety in games just doesn?t seem to be there. Ever since the N64, Nintendo doesn?t seem to have the game variety that other consoles have. And this will become truer if Nintendo really pushes the Wiimote because it?ll be hard to make games, the way developers do today, that take advantage of the Wiimote. Just as it?s happening with the DS. And any games made for the Wii probably won?t be ported too easily or will lose their appeal without the Wiimote. Sure you can use a regular gamepad if the Wiimote isn?t your thing, but then what is the point of spending $250 on the Wii.

$250 for a $99 console, 512MB of flash memory and the $60 Wiimote. That sounds like a rip off to me. If you already own a Gamecube and a memory card, then you?ll be paying $250 dollars for a $60 Wiimote and aesthetics. And some people find that the Wiimote doesn?t work properly sometimes and isn?t the best controller to use in all situations. And I just hate it when things don?t work properly.

The gamepad, example: 360 controller, is the best interface to interact with games because it?s more general. This means it will serve the player well in a greater variety of games. I believe the Wiimote, like the stylus in the DS, is a BS gimmick. The DS sounded very interesting in the beginning and had people flocking to the scene, but then I found out how uncomfortable the stylus was to play with. The gamepad has worked for decades; it has outlived the joystick and it will outlive the Wiimote.

PS3
The PS3 is Sony?s endeavor to market themselves 3 times: Cell, Blu-Ray, and Playstation. Because of their greed, we are forced to pay 600 bucks for a Hi-def console that doesn't even come with Hi-def cables. Sure, it is an impressive piece of hardware for an amazing price, but the price is too high for a gaming console, and the mainstream won't go for it.

It is nuts for Sony to push a price so high, but then again, they haven?t done anything right for a while. The success of the PSX was luck. They just happened to release the PSX at the right time, which made them look better compared to the other two idiots, who released with only a small amount of games to play. The PSX was so popular that the PS2, as mediocre as the technology was (4MB of VRAM?), sold out fast. Sony probably expects it to happen the same way with the PS3, but I think they shot themselves in the foot with Blu-Ray, which delayed the PS3 for far too long.

There are many things that could prevent the PS3?s success, including: high price, no good online support, 360 user base, and high price, and even the Wii?s gimmick. I predict that this generation will be a long and painful struggle for Sony. Why pay 500 bucks when you could get a similar or better gaming experience with the 360 for only $300. I say a better experience because of the near free 2xAA and the 360 controller. I loved the Dreamcast controller and the evolution from that to this 360 controller has only improved it. The analog sticks on the new SixAxis, as well as the trigger buttons pale in comfort and usability compared with the 360 controller. And again, there is also the possibility of getting better graphics on the 360 due to the 10MB of on die memory in the 360 GPU.

If the 360 has a bigger user base than the PS3, where do you think developers are going to go? Think about that. And at such a high price, there is no way the PS3 user base will grow quick enough to compete with the 360. Then think about how difficult developers find the PS3 to program in comparison to the 360. Two big issues developers have against the PS3 that will surely result in the 360 taking the trophy this time around.

If there is one thing that can save Sony, it'll be the mainstream?s reluctance to upgrade from the PS2. But at least, for Sony?s sake, they?ll buy games which will offset some of the cost of the PS3. The PS3 may be such a large leap in price for them that they may just settle for the 360. One thing fanbois have to learn is that you're only hurting yourself with brand loyalty.

360
The 360 is a great balance of graphics and features at a great price of $300.

vs. Wii: Just think, for only 50 bucks over the Wii, next generation graphics could be at your fingers. Graphics may not be everything, but don't underestimate the power of multi-core processors, which will be a revolutionary step towards the way games are played. If you see videos of Crysis you?ll see what kind of gameplay improvements these multi-core powered graphics can provide.

vs. PS3: The 360 is next generation gaming at a whole $200 cheaper. It has an established online system with more people to play with. It?ll have more games due to its probable success over the PS3. And don?t forget the great 360 controller.

so what you're saying is that your a xbox360 fanboy?
 

videogames101

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Wow, screw reviews. If you base everything to play off reviews then good luck with that, for the rest of us, reviews are just a marketing scheme. Dev's are bad at using controllers, and it's not a learning curve, but just anew way to control a gun which people aren't used to.
 

Czar

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360
The 360 is a great balance of graphics and features at a great price of $300.

vs. Wii: Just think, for only 50 bucks over the Wii, next generation graphics could be at your fingers. Graphics may not be everything, but don't underestimate the power of multi-core processors, which will be a revolutionary step towards the way games are played. If you see videos of Crysis you?ll see what kind of gameplay improvements these multi-core powered graphics can provide.

The crysis devs said that neither the 360 hardware or the ps3 hardware is enough to handle crysis.
 

VIAN

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Originally posted by: pontifex
so what you're saying is that your a xbox360 fanboy?
I like it at the present time, but it does have its faults. For instance, Microsoft markets it as a vertically standing system, but we all know that it may scratch the game disc that way. That's why I keep it flat. Although I'm kind of relieved to a point (i could be a tough fall), but yet I'm also annoyed that I can't keep it vertical.

I also think that all the X360s should have come with HDDs. The usefullness on the XBOX was just amazing and I'm surprised that they didn't include one this time around.

I also thought that it would've been obvious that 20GB wouldn't be enough for online gaming. And that like Sony it would've been an obvious thing to either include a bigger HDD on the premium version or, even better, do what Sony did - make it easy to upgrade the HDD. Sony deserves credit for that feature, it is very impressive.

But, like I said overall, you can't beat the price for a next gen game console. And the controller still kicks ass. I may be a fanboy of the controller, but I'm not blind to the consoles weaknesses, I just think Microsoft did it good this time.

Originally posted by: videogames101
Wow, screw reviews. If you base everything to play off reviews then good luck with that, for the rest of us, reviews are just a marketing scheme. Dev's are bad at using controllers, and it's not a learning curve, but just anew way to control a gun which people aren't used to.
How can you say screw reviews? How many craptastic games would people buy if it wasn't for reviews. Like that POS game for the NES Back to the Future. How are they marketing if they gave Red Steel a bad score? And if Dev' are so bad at using controller, than why do you buy games from those that are. I doubt this is true, they are just lazy. Besides, they have gametesters to tell them they suck. And it is a new way to control a gun, but because of the lack of buttons available to the control scheme, movements are now the new buttons, but they are still act like buttons.

Originally posted by: Czar
360
The 360 is a great balance of graphics and features at a great price of $300.

vs. Wii: Just think, for only 50 bucks over the Wii, next generation graphics could be at your fingers. Graphics may not be everything, but don't underestimate the power of multi-core processors, which will be a revolutionary step towards the way games are played. If you see videos of Crysis you?ll see what kind of gameplay improvements these multi-core powered graphics can provide.

The crysis devs said that neither the 360 hardware or the ps3 hardware is enough to handle crysis.
In what way? Surely, the Crysis that's going to release to the PC can't be ported exactly to the 360 or PS3 because neither of these consoles have DX10. And the moving of the leaves is a multi-core feature, which can bring a lot of benefit towards gameplay.



 
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Originally posted by: Czar
360
The 360 is a great balance of graphics and features at a great price of $300.

vs. Wii: Just think, for only 50 bucks over the Wii, next generation graphics could be at your fingers. Graphics may not be everything, but don't underestimate the power of multi-core processors, which will be a revolutionary step towards the way games are played. If you see videos of Crysis you?ll see what kind of gameplay improvements these multi-core powered graphics can provide.

The crysis devs said that neither the 360 hardware or the ps3 hardware is enough to handle crysis.

jesus christ...what kind of computer do you need to run it?
 

Fingolfin269

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I don't see it as a problem that MS did not force people to purchase the HD with the system. The HD's are on the market in great volumes and eventually, once this holiday is over perhaps, MS will back pedal and allow developers to begin using the HD as part of their game development strategy.

At least that is my theory. :)
 

Fenixgoon

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Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
Originally posted by: Czar
360
The 360 is a great balance of graphics and features at a great price of $300.

vs. Wii: Just think, for only 50 bucks over the Wii, next generation graphics could be at your fingers. Graphics may not be everything, but don't underestimate the power of multi-core processors, which will be a revolutionary step towards the way games are played. If you see videos of Crysis you?ll see what kind of gameplay improvements these multi-core powered graphics can provide.

The crysis devs said that neither the 360 hardware or the ps3 hardware is enough to handle crysis.

jesus christ...what kind of computer do you need to run it?

didn't you get the memo? you need that new petaflop supercomputer that's being installed at ORNL:p
 

Dethfrumbelo

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Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
Originally posted by: Czar
360
The 360 is a great balance of graphics and features at a great price of $300.

vs. Wii: Just think, for only 50 bucks over the Wii, next generation graphics could be at your fingers. Graphics may not be everything, but don't underestimate the power of multi-core processors, which will be a revolutionary step towards the way games are played. If you see videos of Crysis you?ll see what kind of gameplay improvements these multi-core powered graphics can provide.

The crysis devs said that neither the 360 hardware or the ps3 hardware is enough to handle crysis.

jesus christ...what kind of computer do you need to run it?

didn't you get the memo? you need that new petaflop supercomputer that's being installed at ORNL:p

Nah, it'll run on an 8800GTX SLI rig, you just need to turn most of the settings to low.

 

imported_Goo

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Originally posted by: VIAN
Originally posted by: Kromis
In relation to this "console" war. You don't seem to like the Wii and I don't believe you have said anything about the PS3 or 360 yet. I know its just your opinion but I'd just like to know. I'm not gonna bash anybody or whatever, just want to satisfy my curiosity.
Disclaimer: This is my view on the gaming experiences of current generation consoles.

Wii
I don?t like the direction that Nintendo is headed. I?m not a casual gamer and those are who Nintendo is trying to attract. How will I, as a moderate gamer, be taken care of? Will there be a good variety of games? Will they be too easy?

My favorite games on recent Nintendo consoles have been Mario games, Zelda and other 1st and 2nd party games. Lately, there have been less of these, with more focus on Zelda. And Zelda doesn?t normally have a lot of innovation, except in Wind Waker?s case, which offered amazing graphics and a new, fun to explore world. The lack of innovation holds true with Twilight Princess, which looks like a tweaked Ocarina of Time. It may be fun, but nothing compared to Wind Waker. Wind Waker was a true classic.

Am I going to buy a new system for one or two games? No. The variety in games just doesn?t seem to be there. Ever since the N64, Nintendo doesn?t seem to have the game variety that other consoles have. And this will become truer if Nintendo really pushes the Wiimote because it?ll be hard to make games, the way developers do today, that take advantage of the Wiimote. Just as it?s happening with the DS. And any games made for the Wii probably won?t be ported too easily or will lose their appeal without the Wiimote. Sure you can use a regular gamepad if the Wiimote isn?t your thing, but then what is the point of spending $250 on the Wii.

$250 for a $99 console, 512MB of flash memory and the $60 Wiimote. That sounds like a rip off to me. If you already own a Gamecube and a memory card, then you?ll be paying $250 dollars for a $60 Wiimote and aesthetics. And some people find that the Wiimote doesn?t work properly sometimes and isn?t the best controller to use in all situations. And I just hate it when things don?t work properly.

The gamepad, example: 360 controller, is the best interface to interact with games because it?s more general. This means it will serve the player well in a greater variety of games. I believe the Wiimote, like the stylus in the DS, is a BS gimmick. The DS sounded very interesting in the beginning and had people flocking to the scene, but then I found out how uncomfortable the stylus was to play with. The gamepad has worked for decades; it has outlived the joystick and it will outlive the Wiimote.

PS3
The PS3 is Sony?s endeavor to market themselves 3 times: Cell, Blu-Ray, and Playstation. Because of their greed, we are forced to pay 600 bucks for a Hi-def console that doesn't even come with Hi-def cables. Sure, it is an impressive piece of hardware for an amazing price, but the price is too high for a gaming console, and the mainstream won't go for it.

It is nuts for Sony to push a price so high, but then again, they haven?t done anything right for a while. The success of the PSX was luck. They just happened to release the PSX at the right time, which made them look better compared to the other two idiots, who released with only a small amount of games to play. The PSX was so popular that the PS2, as mediocre as the technology was (4MB of VRAM?), sold out fast. Sony probably expects it to happen the same way with the PS3, but I think they shot themselves in the foot with Blu-Ray, which delayed the PS3 for far too long.

There are many things that could prevent the PS3?s success, including: high price, no good online support, 360 user base, and high price, and even the Wii?s gimmick. I predict that this generation will be a long and painful struggle for Sony. Why pay 500 bucks when you could get a similar or better gaming experience with the 360 for only $300. I say a better experience because of the near free 2xAA and the 360 controller. I loved the Dreamcast controller and the evolution from that to this 360 controller has only improved it. The analog sticks on the new SixAxis, as well as the trigger buttons pale in comfort and usability compared with the 360 controller. And again, there is also the possibility of getting better graphics on the 360 due to the 10MB of on die memory in the 360 GPU.

If the 360 has a bigger user base than the PS3, where do you think developers are going to go? Think about that. And at such a high price, there is no way the PS3 user base will grow quick enough to compete with the 360. Then think about how difficult developers find the PS3 to program in comparison to the 360. Two big issues developers have against the PS3 that will surely result in the 360 taking the trophy this time around.

If there is one thing that can save Sony, it'll be the mainstream?s reluctance to upgrade from the PS2. But at least, for Sony?s sake, they?ll buy games which will offset some of the cost of the PS3. The PS3 may be such a large leap in price for them that they may just settle for the 360. One thing fanbois have to learn is that you're only hurting yourself with brand loyalty.

360
The 360 is a great balance of graphics and features at a great price of $300.

vs. Wii: Just think, for only 50 bucks over the Wii, next generation graphics could be at your fingers. Graphics may not be everything, but don't underestimate the power of multi-core processors, which will be a revolutionary step towards the way games are played. If you see videos of Crysis you?ll see what kind of gameplay improvements these multi-core powered graphics can provide.

vs. PS3: The 360 is next generation gaming at a whole $200 cheaper. It has an established online system with more people to play with. It?ll have more games due to its probable success over the PS3. And don?t forget the great 360 controller.

To cut it short, you mean "People should play game on PC" or "I am a xbox fanboy"?

 

imported_Goo

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Originally posted by: BoberFett
Also from Slate: The Wii is better than either the Xbox360 or the PS3


I stop reading after this, coz in tennis I can controll where I want the ball to go + I can put spin.

In tennis and baseball, it would have been nice if it could sense direction as well as the timing and speed it already picks up. In baseball, for example, you can't push the ball to the opposite field by stepping into the pitch and angling your swing. (I sometimes tried doing this anyway.)
 

VIAN

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Originally posted by: Goo
To cut it short, you mean "People should play game on PC" or "I am a xbox fanboy"?
No. Don't take out your anger on me for wasting $250 on the Wii.

(No offense to anyone else or the Wii.)

I never said that people should play on the PC. For you to make that comment would be to say that I only care about graphics and not about cost. It is incorrect. And you haven't read the post with a clear head if you said that. I specifically say , "The 360 is a great balance of graphics and features at a great price..." Price is very important to me, and is why I've quit PC gaming. The price of a good PC isn't it worth it for the small amount of good FPS released every year.

And, I'm not telling people to buy anything. That would be a pointless task. I'm just satisfying Kromis' curiosity.

 

videogames101

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Originally posted by: VIAN
Originally posted by: pontifex
so what you're saying is that your a xbox360 fanboy?
I like it at the present time, but it does have its faults. For instance, Microsoft markets it as a vertically standing system, but we all know that it may scratch the game disc that way. That's why I keep it flat. Although I'm kind of relieved to a point (i could be a tough fall), but yet I'm also annoyed that I can't keep it vertical.

I also think that all the X360s should have come with HDDs. The usefullness on the XBOX was just amazing and I'm surprised that they didn't include one this time around.

I also thought that it would've been obvious that 20GB wouldn't be enough for online gaming. And that like Sony it would've been an obvious thing to either include a bigger HDD on the premium version or, even better, do what Sony did - make it easy to upgrade the HDD. Sony deserves credit for that feature, it is very impressive.

But, like I said overall, you can't beat the price for a next gen game console. And the controller still kicks ass. I may be a fanboy of the controller, but I'm not blind to the consoles weaknesses, I just think Microsoft did it good this time.

Originally posted by: videogames101
Wow, screw reviews. If you base everything to play off reviews then good luck with that, for the rest of us, reviews are just a marketing scheme. Dev's are bad at using controllers, and it's not a learning curve, but just anew way to control a gun which people aren't used to.
How can you say screw reviews? How many craptastic games would people buy if it wasn't for reviews. Like that POS game for the NES Back to the Future. How are they marketing if they gave Red Steel a bad score? And if Dev' are so bad at using controller, than why do you buy games from those that are. I doubt this is true, they are just lazy. Besides, they have gametesters to tell them they suck. And it is a new way to control a gun, but because of the lack of buttons available to the control scheme, movements are now the new buttons, but they are still act like buttons.

Originally posted by: Czar
360
The 360 is a great balance of graphics and features at a great price of $300.

vs. Wii: Just think, for only 50 bucks over the Wii, next generation graphics could be at your fingers. Graphics may not be everything, but don't underestimate the power of multi-core processors, which will be a revolutionary step towards the way games are played. If you see videos of Crysis you?ll see what kind of gameplay improvements these multi-core powered graphics can provide.

The crysis devs said that neither the 360 hardware or the ps3 hardware is enough to handle crysis.
In what way? Surely, the Crysis that's going to release to the PC can't be ported exactly to the 360 or PS3 because neither of these consoles have DX10. And the moving of the leaves is a multi-core feature, which can bring a lot of benefit towards gameplay.

Half of my favorite games do not have 8.0 or above. The wiimote uses motion detection as a million diff buttons, you can't beat that with any controller. I really do not like it when people who haven't even played comment likes this...
 

mugs

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Originally posted by: VIAN
Originally posted by: Goo
To cut it short, you mean "People should play game on PC" or "I am a xbox fanboy"?
No. Don't take out your anger on me for wasting $250 on the Wii.

:D There aren't many people with Wiis who feel they wasted their money.
 

VIAN

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Originally posted by: videogames101
Half of my favorite games do not have 8.0 or above. The wiimote uses motion detection as a million diff buttons, you can't beat that with any controller. I really do not like it when people who haven't even played comment likes this...
There are about 2 games that I really enjoyed that received within the 7 range. I ususally don't buy below 8 to be on the safe side. Probably 1/3 to 1/4 of the games I buy above the 8 range I don't like. But generally I think my chances are better buying above the 8 range. Cause several of the games that fall below the 8, like Ubersoldier, suck!
 

randomlinh

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ok, so Vian doesn't like the Wii... why is everyone seemingly trying to force it onto him? No console is 100% for everyone. Simple as that. I find the Wii to be a lot of fun, but then again, as far as consoles go, I only play racing games, at best. Zelda has been a lot of fun, and the multiplayer aspect of the wii has me very intrigued. No, it's not perfect, but it's fun.

I will agree that the Wii seems fun for short, multiplayer madness (part of the reason I bought it). I was never a big long epic game fan (but I love zelda.. go figure). So it works for me. And it's a different market no one has really explored IMO. We'll find out eventually if Nintendo played their cards right or not.

Vian, how'd you get burned by the DS anyway? There are some games I love, some I hate (like metroid... I was very excited for it.. until I used the controls... terrible IMO).
 

VIAN

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Originally posted by: randomlinh
Vian, how'd you get burned by the DS anyway? There are some games I love, some I hate (like metroid... I was very excited for it.. until I used the controls... terrible IMO).
What made me want to buy the DS was the fact that Mario64 was on it. I thought that was amazing to have in the palm of my hand. However, although reviews gave rave reviews about the graphics and such. I found it a disappointment. The graphics sucked ass, with all the aliasing everywhere, and the game had changed for the worse. At the time I didn't see the immediate use of the stylus, but I thought it might be interesting to use in games from what I've seen in previews of some games.

The first game I tried that used the the stylus, was Kirby: Canvas Curse. The game was kinda fun despite the fact that the controls were a little annoying to use. After I beat the game, I noticed that I had scratched the screen a lot while playing the game. I didn't press hard, but it was there. I could still see the graphics, but some of the scratches distorted some of the pixels and it was enough to bother me. I'm not a fan of a self-destroying system. IMO, that means the system is defective. Sure, some things wear out, but not with just one game. From then on, I decided that I didn't like the stylus and decided to buy only games that didn't use the stylus, or where it was optional.

But something really bothered me. I paid so much for this touch screen and stylus feature, and it sucks. I began to think the DS was actually just a GBA made right. Proper screen lighting and bigger screen. But with extra tweaks. But there weren't too many games that I liked that were normal and I got bored and sold it.

Sometimes I battled with myself because I wanted a handheld system, but I couldn't decide on either the DS or the PSP because they both sucked. The DS had the gimmick and the PSP was way too expensive for it's own good, and the screen had ghosting up the wazoo (and of course the loading times and battery life played some part). If the PSP was going to cost that much, I had to have less disappointments.

The release of Resident Evil for the DS settled it. I love that game and its release on the DS made me buy the DS all over again to try it out. And I figured I could give the DS another shot while I'm at it, since the PSP was a definite NO. I was a little disappointed that Resident Evil chose the bottom screen as the main screen, since that screen has translucent dots everywhere in the original DS. And the top screen heated my forehead and eyes enough to bother me at times. Overall, though, I enjoyed myself with it. I hoped they would have ported other Resident Evil games as well, but then I came to doubt that. Then I tried another game like Mario Kart and that was fun.

When the DS lite came out, I bought that and Metroid along with it. It got a score of 85%. That's a great score. And I enjoyed it for a while, but the game was so good in fact, that it kept me really tense and I was only able to play it for a while before my hands started to really hurt. After a few days, it got to the point where just half and hour was enough to hurt both my hands. I was half-way through a game and it hurt to play it. What kind of control system is that. Then I was convinced that the stylus control was a gimmick. It's not a great control, how could it be if it hurts your hands. If a game is controlled with the stylus, it is too uncomfortable to use any of the other buttons on the DS.

Then I tried Sonic Rush and that was crap. And the New Super Mario Bros. was beat in a few days since it was so easy. And then there was nothing else that appealed to me. No other games to play. Most were focused on the stylus. The DS has been around for more than a year and all it could squeeze out was less than a handful of OK games for me. Even now, 2 years after launch, out of 25 games that scored above 80% at gamerankings.com I would buy only about a hand-full. The DS had nothing for me, and my girlfriend wanted a lite, so I gave it to her for as a birthday present, since it was still very new.
 

hooflung

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Nintendo is the only console I will buy for nexgen. TBH xbox 360 and PS3 can stick their high price and low quality yields and shove it where the sun don't shine. Its one thing to try to innovate, its another thing to market it as a fully functional device. A PS3 will not be the same quality today as it will be in 8 months. Wii thought of their business AND costomers on this new toy.
 

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I felt the same when i played excitetruck at gamestop. If i made a huge turn to the left or just a tiny nudge to the left, the reaction would be like the same thing on screen. It definitely was a cool thing to be controlling a racing game that way, but the innovative controls from the wii actually place less control of the vehicle in the game. In any console racing game with a normal controller there is so much more room for control and steering then there is with the wii.
 

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Originally posted by: platinumike
I felt the same when i played excitetruck at gamestop. If i made a huge turn to the left or just a tiny nudge to the left, the reaction would be like the same thing on screen. It definitely was a cool thing to be controlling a racing game that way, but the innovative controls from the wii actually place less control of the vehicle in the game. In any console racing game with a normal controller there is so much more room for control and steering then there is with the wii.

I think you were doing it wrong or something... the main complaint I've heard about ExciteTruck is that the steering it hard to get used to because it's too responsive. I played it in EB Games, and it was not at all the way you describe.
 

BeauJangles

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I don't understand why every bags on the Wiimote so much. It's not supposed to be virtual reality. It's not supposed to force you to emulate Tiger Woods in order to score under par in a golf game, after all what fun would that be? All the Wiimote is supposed to do is introduce a new way to control videogames, it's not supposed to simulate real life. Sure, you 'swing' the Wiimote like a sword to make Link swing his sword, but that's just intuitive. Because nobody has tried this before, everybody is going to have to adjust to it. Just like we had to get used to analog sticks, shoulder buttons, etc. Sure, it's a bigger adjustment.

And, sorry, but I think this guy in the review is an idiot. How do you hit home runs on a PS2 or PS3? You press a button at the right time. How do you hit home runs on a Wii? You 'swing' the controller at the right time. It's the same thing. It isn't virtual reality.

Also, Vian, I disagree about your assessment of the Xbox. I think it is a great deal, no doubt, but "multi-core processors" are only going to do one thing - increase processing power and, knowing video game designers these days, that will mostly go towards increased graphical quality. I think you miss the Xbox's biggest strength which IS revolutionary - its seamless integration into the online world. That is certainly its greatest strength.

To get back to the Wii, I can't understand how you write off the Wiimote so quickly. Every controller has its issues and a controller that offers such a new scheme will certainly require time. Time for the developers to understand the best way to implement it, time for the players to understand the best ways to use it. It's sad you write it off so quickly though. Like anything new, it takes time to develop and to reach its full potential.

Sadly though, it seems you write off every console in favor of the Xbox. You cry out that fanboy-ism is the only thing that will save the PS3 and decry it as something that hurts us all, yet you categorically deny the ability of either other console to compete with the 360. I agree the 360 is a great system, a complete package in many respects, but don't count Sony out of this race. They have an extremely powerful console, and have been in the game much longer than Microsoft. Sure, the PS3 price is high, but that didn't stop them from selling out everywhere. In fact, it doesn't appear it will stop them from selling out for a long time to come.

If you're going to be a 'non-biased' source, then, by all means do so, but don't hide behind that flag when all you really appear to be is in love with the Xbox360.
 

homercles337

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There's also the suggestion that its intuitive game play could eliminate the steep learning curve that tends to repel both "casual gamers" and people who've never held a joystick before.

Gawd damn it. Steep learning curve means you learn a lot over a short time. A shallow learning means that it takes a long time to learn the same amout. What is wrong with these dopes?

Cliffs:
Steep learning curve == EASY to master
Shallow learning curve == HARD to master
 

skace

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You wrote a DS review and failed to mention how flawless Mario Kart DS over wireless multiplayer works. Or how well Trauma Center utilizes the Stylus for unique gameplay. Or how extremely good Dragon Quest Heroes: Rocket Slime and Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow are. No wonder you feel you were "burned".

And I'd expect any DS review to be purely about the lite at this point in time. Anyone going out to buy a DS right now should be buying a lite.
 

skace

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Originally posted by: randomlinh
ok, so Vian doesn't like the Wii... why is everyone seemingly trying to force it onto him? No console is 100% for everyone. Simple as that.

It has nothing to do with forcing VIAN to like the Wii. It has to do with correcting a poor review and inaccurate information being directed to people under the guise of a "warning".
 

VIAN

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Originally posted by: skace
You wrote a DS review and failed to mention how flawless Mario Kart DS over wireless multiplayer works. Or how well Trauma Center utilizes the Stylus for unique gameplay. Or how extremely good Dragon Quest Heroes: Rocket Slime and Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow are. No wonder you feel you were "burned".

And I'd expect any DS review to be purely about the lite at this point in time. Anyone going out to buy a DS right now should be buying a lite.
Yes, those things would have been nice, except for the fact that it wasn't a DS review. It was my experience and what I thought of it. The events that led up to my not liking the DS.

Originally posted by: skace
It has nothing to do with forcing VIAN to like the Wii. It has to do with correcting a poor review and inaccurate information being directed to people under the guise of a "warning".
These are not reviews. Where does it say it is a review.

All you guys just keep talking about the Wii. Well, if you read, a good chunk of the what I wrote delt with the games, not just for the Wii, but a trend that's been going on since N64. Including my disappointments with Zelda games. I did however, forget to mention my disappointments with only one Mario game per console. I like Mario more than Zelda. 1 is disappointing. I added this to the Wii section:
My favorite game on the N64 was Mario64, and while I waited desperately for a sequel. You and I know that it didn't come. One of my favorite games on the Gamecube was Mario Sunshine, but I knew there wasn't going to be a sequel. Same thing will probably happen to the Wii.