Nintendo On A Rampage: Console Sales Numbers For April/May 2007

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Dyloot

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Originally posted by: BD2003
Originally posted by: Dyloot
Originally posted by: BD2003
Originally posted by: Dyloot
The PS3 will sell sell sell once the price drops and it has a few titles that the non-hardcore gaming community actually want to play. As for PS2 sales, I bought one in November for FF12, and am pretty stoked to have God of War 2. The quality of games on the PS2 platform in the last 12 months is amazing.

I doubt that. Wii already owns that market and thats not going change. They already have far too much momentum in that segment for the other two to have any hope of breaking through to that maket. Any developer silly enough to make non-hardcore games for a "hardcore" system has lost their mind. Ex. Viva pinata was a great, non hardcore game, and it sold like sh*t, because it really belonged on the Wii in the first place.

Non-hardcore gamers would buy a PS2 because it was well priced, and had some interesting games. PS3 isnt well priced, and by the time it may ever be, it will be far too late to capture that market, because if they cared, theyd already have a Wii, and I doubt theyre buying two systems.

Maybe I used the wrong term. When I said "non-hardcore gamer", I meant people like myself, a 29-year-old guy who likes gaming but isn't really worried about buying a system for $600 the day it comes out. I will one day own a PS3, probably when it drops in price and there's a game out with incredible reviews that I can't resist buying (see: FF13). I'll probably buy a Wii at some point as well, and perhaps even an XBox 360 if a developer comes along and give me something as good as KOTOR was when I bought my Xbox.

I'm not saying that the PS3 will be the best system in the long run, but I do believe it will sell lots once better games are released and if it drops in price.

Well, time will tell. I doubt that a price drop will sell any more systems if the exclusive games don't exist to back it up. The problem with exclusive games is that publishers are only going to accept exclusivity if it benefits them, and with Sony's small userbase compared to 360s, exclusivity to the PS3 isnt exactly the best option right now.

Its a chicken and egg thing, without the exclusives, systems wont sell, without systems sold, exclusives won't be made. It's a real crap position for Sony to be stuck in, and is frankly, entirely their own doing - without blu-ray jacking up the cost, they'd be in a MUCH better position than they are now, crap games notwithstanding.

Well, yeah, if Sony doesn't keep the exclusive titles (FF and GoW in my case) I may go with the cheaper system when the time comes. In the end, don't most of us end up owning both the PS and the Xbox anyway?
 

Dyloot

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
wtf is a hardcore gamer? what part of being fat and antisocial is hard core?

Someone who places the importance of gaming above most other activities in his or her life. =P

If you need to find an example of hardcore, just look at yourself. Dude... 66,121 posts? Even at 7 years, that means you'd need to post about 26 times EVERY DAY for 2555 days. Now that, my friend, is hardcore.
 

tw1164

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Originally posted by: Dyloot
Originally posted by: BD2003
Originally posted by: Dyloot
Originally posted by: BD2003
Originally posted by: Dyloot
The PS3 will sell sell sell once the price drops and it has a few titles that the non-hardcore gaming community actually want to play. As for PS2 sales, I bought one in November for FF12, and am pretty stoked to have God of War 2. The quality of games on the PS2 platform in the last 12 months is amazing.

I doubt that. Wii already owns that market and thats not going change. They already have far too much momentum in that segment for the other two to have any hope of breaking through to that maket. Any developer silly enough to make non-hardcore games for a "hardcore" system has lost their mind. Ex. Viva pinata was a great, non hardcore game, and it sold like sh*t, because it really belonged on the Wii in the first place.

Non-hardcore gamers would buy a PS2 because it was well priced, and had some interesting games. PS3 isnt well priced, and by the time it may ever be, it will be far too late to capture that market, because if they cared, theyd already have a Wii, and I doubt theyre buying two systems.

Maybe I used the wrong term. When I said "non-hardcore gamer", I meant people like myself, a 29-year-old guy who likes gaming but isn't really worried about buying a system for $600 the day it comes out. I will one day own a PS3, probably when it drops in price and there's a game out with incredible reviews that I can't resist buying (see: FF13). I'll probably buy a Wii at some point as well, and perhaps even an XBox 360 if a developer comes along and give me something as good as KOTOR was when I bought my Xbox.

I'm not saying that the PS3 will be the best system in the long run, but I do believe it will sell lots once better games are released and if it drops in price.

Well, time will tell. I doubt that a price drop will sell any more systems if the exclusive games don't exist to back it up. The problem with exclusive games is that publishers are only going to accept exclusivity if it benefits them, and with Sony's small userbase compared to 360s, exclusivity to the PS3 isnt exactly the best option right now.

Its a chicken and egg thing, without the exclusives, systems wont sell, without systems sold, exclusives won't be made. It's a real crap position for Sony to be stuck in, and is frankly, entirely their own doing - without blu-ray jacking up the cost, they'd be in a MUCH better position than they are now, crap games notwithstanding.

Well, yeah, if Sony doesn't keep the exclusive titles (FF and GoW in my case) I may go with the cheaper system when the time comes. In the end, don't most of us end up owning both the PS and the Xbox anyway?

GoW is developed by sony.
 

Dyloot

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Originally posted by: tw1164
Originally posted by: Dyloot
Originally posted by: BD2003
Originally posted by: Dyloot
Originally posted by: BD2003
Originally posted by: Dyloot
The PS3 will sell sell sell once the price drops and it has a few titles that the non-hardcore gaming community actually want to play. As for PS2 sales, I bought one in November for FF12, and am pretty stoked to have God of War 2. The quality of games on the PS2 platform in the last 12 months is amazing.

I doubt that. Wii already owns that market and thats not going change. They already have far too much momentum in that segment for the other two to have any hope of breaking through to that maket. Any developer silly enough to make non-hardcore games for a "hardcore" system has lost their mind. Ex. Viva pinata was a great, non hardcore game, and it sold like sh*t, because it really belonged on the Wii in the first place.

Non-hardcore gamers would buy a PS2 because it was well priced, and had some interesting games. PS3 isnt well priced, and by the time it may ever be, it will be far too late to capture that market, because if they cared, theyd already have a Wii, and I doubt theyre buying two systems.

Maybe I used the wrong term. When I said "non-hardcore gamer", I meant people like myself, a 29-year-old guy who likes gaming but isn't really worried about buying a system for $600 the day it comes out. I will one day own a PS3, probably when it drops in price and there's a game out with incredible reviews that I can't resist buying (see: FF13). I'll probably buy a Wii at some point as well, and perhaps even an XBox 360 if a developer comes along and give me something as good as KOTOR was when I bought my Xbox.

I'm not saying that the PS3 will be the best system in the long run, but I do believe it will sell lots once better games are released and if it drops in price.

Well, time will tell. I doubt that a price drop will sell any more systems if the exclusive games don't exist to back it up. The problem with exclusive games is that publishers are only going to accept exclusivity if it benefits them, and with Sony's small userbase compared to 360s, exclusivity to the PS3 isnt exactly the best option right now.

Its a chicken and egg thing, without the exclusives, systems wont sell, without systems sold, exclusives won't be made. It's a real crap position for Sony to be stuck in, and is frankly, entirely their own doing - without blu-ray jacking up the cost, they'd be in a MUCH better position than they are now, crap games notwithstanding.

Well, yeah, if Sony doesn't keep the exclusive titles (FF and GoW in my case) I may go with the cheaper system when the time comes. In the end, don't most of us end up owning both the PS and the Xbox anyway?

GoW is developed by sony.

Well, that will certainly help them. I don't know how many of you buy Nintendo just for Zelda, Metroid and Mario, but those titles keep me coming back.
 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: Dyloot
Originally posted by: ElFenix
wtf is a hardcore gamer? what part of being fat and antisocial is hard core?

Someone who places the importance of gaming above most other activities in his or her life. =P

If you need to find an example of hardcore, just look at yourself. Dude... 66,121 posts? Even at 7 years, that means you'd need to post about 26 times EVERY DAY for 2555 days. Now that, my friend, is hardcore.

i only place ATOT above boredom. as you can see, i've been bored a lot. mostly, it was when i was working at dell.
 

3chordcharlie

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Playstation has had a great mix of games, and fantastic exclusive titles for what a decade now? And all of those games can still be played on a single system. PS3 with it's high price, compatibility problems, and aging controller is really behind the 8-ball. Frankly the controller hasn't changed substantially in a long time (making it look like a boomerang doesn't count;), and it's the worst one out there, as good as it was originally.

OTOH, the 360 (with its own compatibility problems) has made subtle but really nice updates to what was already a more adaptable controller, and wii has the market beaten six in every possible way with the mix of controllers available for, and compatible with their system.

I expected this round to go like the last one - the 360 to be the best FPS/action/sports system, the wii to have the most 'fun' factor, and the PS3 to have the best overall titles, a massive library of the same, brand superiority, and by far the most complete mix of games. I would have guessed the 360 would have a small dedicated following, the wii to get ignored (and possibly be Nintendo's last-best-try), and the PS3 to keep on doing what Playstation has always done.

I sure don't see it playing out that way now.
 

BD2003

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Originally posted by: tw1164
Where are these 300k Wii machines at? I've yet to see one in the store.

You're not waking up early enough on a sunday morning to get in line.
 

giantpinkbunnyhead

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I was certainly surprised by the turn of events in this console war too. I never did care for the 360 but figured it would still be the top dog because I didn't expect the Wii to do one third as well as it has been. I knew the PS3 would flop; but I didn't see it flopping this bad so quick. The only reason I'd even consider a PS3 would be for Blu-Ray, but considering the format war still rages on (despite sony's yet-another-bold-statement of "blu ray has won the format war"), I'm waiting until either a clear victor emerges, or a more affordable dual-format player surfaces. And I think by that point, both format's players' prices will be less than a PS3. Even Toshiba's HD player is set to drop to $399 next week.

 

BD2003

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Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Playstation has had a great mix of games, and fantastic exclusive titles for what a decade now? And all of those games can still be played on a single system. PS3 with it's high price, compatibility problems, and aging controller is really behind the 8-ball. Frankly the controller hasn't changed substantially in a long time (making it look like a boomerang doesn't count;), and it's the worst one out there, as good as it was originally.

OTOH, the 360 (with its own compatibility problems) has made subtle but really nice updates to what was already a more adaptable controller, and wii has the market beaten six in every possible way with the mix of controllers available for, and compatible with their system.

I expected this round to go like the last one - the 360 to be the best FPS/action/sports system, the wii to have the most 'fun' factor, and the PS3 to have the best overall titles, a massive library of the same, brand superiority, and by far the most complete mix of games. I would have guessed the 360 would have a small dedicated following, the wii to get ignored (and possibly be Nintendo's last-best-try), and the PS3 to keep on doing what Playstation has always done.

I sure don't see it playing out that way now.

Yep, its quite different now. Can't really gleam much from history either - every other round was a battle between extremely similar consoles. This time its like three different beasts altogether.
 

3chordcharlie

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Originally posted by: BD2003
Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Playstation has had a great mix of games, and fantastic exclusive titles for what a decade now? And all of those games can still be played on a single system. PS3 with it's high price, compatibility problems, and aging controller is really behind the 8-ball. Frankly the controller hasn't changed substantially in a long time (making it look like a boomerang doesn't count;), and it's the worst one out there, as good as it was originally.

OTOH, the 360 (with its own compatibility problems) has made subtle but really nice updates to what was already a more adaptable controller, and wii has the market beaten six in every possible way with the mix of controllers available for, and compatible with their system.

I expected this round to go like the last one - the 360 to be the best FPS/action/sports system, the wii to have the most 'fun' factor, and the PS3 to have the best overall titles, a massive library of the same, brand superiority, and by far the most complete mix of games. I would have guessed the 360 would have a small dedicated following, the wii to get ignored (and possibly be Nintendo's last-best-try), and the PS3 to keep on doing what Playstation has always done.

I sure don't see it playing out that way now.

Yep, its quite different now. Can't really gleam much from history either - every other round was a battle between extremely similar consoles. This time its like three different beasts altogether.
True, it's always been 'about the games', and it still is, but there's incredible disparity between the systems in a lot of ways.

Personally, I bought an XBOX when my buddy decided to get a 360 (I matched the trade-in he was offered). But the wii is so much fun it's got me thinking about actually buying a new system.
 

BigJ

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: BigJ
Looks like the PS3 had a pretty successful EU launch with 600,000 units sold.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6499841.stm

Their US launch was very successful too, remember?

It's the months after launch that are failing to deliver.

Actually I believe that they only sold about 200k in the US during the first two weeks. The EU population isn't that much bigger to justify a tripling in sales, although I'm sure having a good stockpile of consoles helped.
 

jpeyton

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Even the GBA outsold the PS3 in the US during March.

No wonder price cut rumors are flying all over the web.
 

TraumaRN

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Well...Wii and PS2 outselling the PS3 by 2-1 margins...ouchie...

I think because of the low price of the PS2 coupled with the game library is resulting in the very strong sales still.

And on that note I'm still lucky that I have a Wii because you still can't find the damn things anywhere!
 

Beev

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Bwahaha, the hard to find Wii outsold the readily accessible 360.
 

Feneant2

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You know, I still have yet to see a Wii in stores around here. I wonder how much of a sales increase the 360 and Ps3 would see if they were the same price as the Wii. I have nothing against it, but I just how much of its popularity is based on the fact that is it priced much less than the other 2 consoles.
 

ViRGE

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Originally posted by: Sraaz
Bwahaha, the hard to find Wii outsold the readily accessible 360.
What's really interesting is if you take a look at the DS sales. The DS Lite has been in short supply practically since its introduction; it didn't finally quit being so until February. Now it's steamrolling the PSP, and certainly brings in to question just where the Wii would be if there wasn't a shortage right now.
 

purbeast0

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Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Originally posted by: Sraaz
Bwahaha, the hard to find Wii outsold the readily accessible 360.

Hasn't the 360 been around for awhile? :p

Yah I'm really not sure what to make of Sraaz's post.

That's like laughing that Wii and PS3 sold more than the Xbox360 in November of 06.
 

BD2003

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Originally posted by: ViRGE
Originally posted by: Sraaz
Bwahaha, the hard to find Wii outsold the readily accessible 360.
What's really interesting is if you take a look at the DS sales. The DS Lite has been in short supply practically since its introduction; it didn't finally quit being so until February. Now it's steamrolling the PSP, and certainly brings in to question just where the Wii would be if there wasn't a shortage right now.

Seriously...I can find a DS lite easy enough, but it is still *impossible* to find a Wii in a store without serious effort.

I'm starting to actually get a little worried about the gaming industry in general though. I love the Wii and all, and its pretty obvious itll be the runaway success of this gen. If not in terms of sales, almost defiitely in terms of profit.

I still want my HD "hardcore" games though. The 360 may be selling well, but microsoft is still bleeding money out of their ass for it. The entire xbox project has lost 5.4 billion since it began, and it hasnt really shown any promise of upturn anytime soon. MS has the money, but business is business, and if itll never turn a profit, theyll drop it.

Meanwhile, Sony is bombing hardcore, and if their competitors are a company that is making a ton of money, and another one willing to throw money into a fire, theyre going to have to do the same.

I'm betting that like nintendo, the next gen isnt going to be much of a hardware upgrade for anyone...they need to actually start making money.
 

jackbristow

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As much as I dislike Sony and can't appreciate their price premium, they are looking at a long term strategy. They are using the PS3 to help win the HiDef DVD wars. In the long run when they acheive the scale to lower the prices, they will have a successful console and have blu-ray as the dominant dvd. Right now the game selection is ok so it's slowing sales in addition to the price.

They probably also underestimated the Wii. The wii goes after a different market, so it's not directly affecting the ps3. However the Wii is stealing a lot of press and PR which is just as valuable.
 

funboy6942

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At this point and seeing the sales of the PS2 as big as they are, maybe, just maybe, Sony should push for more games made for the PS2 again, and go after the Wii. They are close in the terms of graphics I think, maybe give the PS2 a better face lift, a funky controller, some weird ass games, and go after the Wii market.

It obvious the console is not dead, GH, god of war, and the damn thing out sells the Wii, maybe make a few more kick ass games for the PS2, fug the PS3, and sell 500,000 ps2 in July, and keep the PS2 going for yet another 5 more years. The graphic really isnt all that bad, its about game play with people. You can have the best looking game out there, but if it plays like sh1t, no one is going to want to buy or play it, where is why the Wii, and the PS2 still sells. Hell if the Xbox was still being made it would prolly still be selling big time as well, all thanks to the Wii craze and opening the door to other gamers that would never of thought to buying a console before. Now they got the taste with a Wii, are buying the PS2 because its cheap, and there are a ton of games for it. Sony needs to see this and steal some of the thunder, push for more games IMO, the PS2 could be a big hit all over again, and re-publish some of the great games of 5-8 years ago. Just my opinion, the ps2 comeback, with republished games, seeing over 1500 ps2 games at the retail stores to choose from, Id buy the PS2 over the Wii if I saw that.

Hows that saying go? If you can't beat em, join em.