Nintendo: Make better games if you're worried about used games...

Bateluer

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http://www.polygon.com/2013/6/13/44...rried-about-used-game-sales-make-better-games

"We have been very clear, we understand that used games are a way for some consumers to monetize their games," Fils-Aime said. "They will buy a game, play it, bring it back to their retailer to get credit for their next purchase. Certainly, that impacts games that are annualized and candidly also impacts games that are maybe undifferentiated much more than [it] impacts Nintendo content. Why is that? Because the replayability of our content is super strong. The consumer wants to keep playing Mario Kart. The consumer want to keep playing New Super Mario Bros. They want to keep playing Pikmin. So we see that the trade-in frequency on Nintendo content is much less than the industry average – much, much less. So for us, we have been able to step back and say that we are not taking any technological means to impact trade-in and we are confident that if we build great content, then the consumer will not want to trade in our games."

I'd also argue that, if Nintendo wants to sell consoles, they should make better consoles. Just sayin. :p
 

purbeast0

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he does have a point though. but a lot of nintendo games are not like other games. they are party games, or they are games that aren't very story driven but are just fun to play around in. like nsmb, i have clue what the story is but the game is just fun to play. same with dkcr and mario 64.

but for me, games like tomb raider, uncharted, etc, they are very story driven, and once i'm finished with them, i don't touch them again. but they are amazing while i'm playing them.

i would like to see these "trade in numbers" that reggie has access to. i think that would be interesting.
 

Bateluer

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Yeah, but they nailed this point on the head.

I 100% agree. If a game is good, I keep it.


Course, I'm a bad example. Because if a game is bad, I also keep it. As a reminder not to be so gullible in the future. Thats why my copy of Dragon Age 2 is in view whenever I watch Dragon Age 3 videos.
 

AstroManLuca

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I 100% agree. If a game is good, I keep it.


Course, I'm a bad example. Because if a game is bad, I also keep it. As a reminder not to be so gullible in the future. Thats why my copy of Dragon Age 2 is in view whenever I watch Dragon Age 3 videos.

Well, and if a game is bad, it's not worth trying to sell it or trade it in. No value.

I'm a bad example too since I tend to be the one buying used games rather than selling them. I get them cheap right off the bat; they might be a couple years old but if I haven't played it, it's new to me! Of course that means that when I am finished with them, they've dropped in price to that $5-10 range where it just isn't worth even trying to sell them.
 

AMDZen

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Nintendo is a joke. I never understood how the Wii succeeded but I get that it was most prevalent among the social media generation and casual gamer who would rather sit around at home and play Wii sports with their friends and chat on Facebook while the others are playing.

They have milked Zelda to death, Mario to his last breath, and the 3rd party never even showed up on the Wii and what little support they had is officially gone on the U.

Just my opinion of course
 

ImpulsE69

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Like them or not, they are the only real innovative company in the gaming realm for years. Sure, maybe their innovation isn't great all the time, but they are trying.

Nothing on MS's console is innovative. ALL of it is basically taken from things Nintendo/Sony did.

They are the only ones who actually try to bring something new to the table. They could use some new IP's though, but due to their quirkiness in their console offerings and the want of publishers to push the same game with little effort to all the platforms, that doesn't happen much these days.
 
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AMDZen

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Right, because making another mario game that takes advantage of whatever new gimmick they've conceived is truly innovative. The Wii had real movement taken into the results of the game. Woo hoo, that was fun for 10 minutes. The U now has an iPad as it's controller. Woo hoo, the only game worth playing is another Mario game.

Maybe innovative from a hardware standpoint, more so than from a software standpoint. I just don't get how so many people aren't yet tired of Mario and Zelda. I'm already sick of Halo and can't believe that didn't end after the 3rd installment like it was supposed to. Games that I want more of I don't get, and games that I want to end keep getting remade. See: COD on the latter - See: KoToR on the former
 

ImpulsE69

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Right, because making another mario game that takes advantage of whatever new gimmick they've conceived is truly innovative. The Wii had real movement taken into the results of the game. Woo hoo, that was fun for 10 minutes. The U now has an iPad as it's controller. Woo hoo, the only game worth playing is another Mario game.

Maybe innovative from a hardware standpoint, more so than from a software standpoint. I just don't get how so many people aren't yet tired of Mario and Zelda. I'm already sick of Halo and can't believe that didn't end after the 3rd installment like it was supposed to. Games that I want more of I don't get, and games that I want to end keep getting remade. See: COD on the latter - See: KoToR on the former

I was referring to hardware, not software. I agree on software, however remember that THEY create their own flagship IPs for brand recognition and exclusivity and rely on 3rd parties for everything else just like all the other companies.

MS -> Halo, GoW?
PS -> had Crash, Spyro? what do they have now??
Nintendo -> Mario, Zelda
Sega -> Sonic

Not to mention, people don't get tired of Mario, Zelda because they are for the most part considered very good games.
 

purbeast0

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Right, because making another mario game that takes advantage of whatever new gimmick they've conceived is truly innovative. The Wii had real movement taken into the results of the game. Woo hoo, that was fun for 10 minutes. The U now has an iPad as it's controller. Woo hoo, the only game worth playing is another Mario game.

Maybe innovative from a hardware standpoint, more so than from a software standpoint. I just don't get how so many people aren't yet tired of Mario and Zelda. I'm already sick of Halo and can't believe that didn't end after the 3rd installment like it was supposed to. Games that I want more of I don't get, and games that I want to end keep getting remade. See: COD on the latter - See: KoToR on the former

"people dont have the same likes/opinions as i do so they are all stupid and they are all idiots!!"
 

Arkaign

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I was referring to hardware, not software. I agree on software, however remember that THEY create their own flagship IPs for brand recognition and exclusivity and rely on 3rd parties for everything else just like all the other companies.

MS -> Halo, GoW?
PS -> had Crash, Spyro? what do they have now??
Nintendo -> Mario, Zelda
Sega -> Sonic

Not to mention, people don't get tired of Mario, Zelda because they are for the most part considered very good games.

Uncharted for sure.

The Last of Us could also become a major IP if they are successful with that title.
 

AMDZen

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I was referring to hardware, not software. I agree on software, however remember that THEY create their own flagship IPs for brand recognition and exclusivity and rely on 3rd parties for everything else just like all the other companies.

MS -> Halo, GoW?
PS -> had Crash, Spyro? what do they have now??
Nintendo -> Mario, Zelda
Sega -> Sonic

Not to mention, people don't get tired of Mario, Zelda because they are for the most part considered very good games.

I think Nintendo should just make Mario and Zelda games for PS and Xbox and be done with their console days, and I think it will be reality before too much longer
 

Tom

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Go to Amazon and look at the trade-in values for popular Nintendo games.

Its a pretty good measure to confirm that people tendo to hold on to their games, not trade them in.
 

Tom

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I think Nintendo should just make Mario and Zelda games for PS and Xbox and be done with their console days, and I think it will be reality before too much longer

I've been reading the same "wish" since before the Gamecube was released..
 

AMDZen

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I've been reading the same "wish" since before the Gamecube was released..

That isn't a wish so much as a business direction that I recommend (as if I'm qualified to instruct Nintendo ;P). The game cube did seem kind of a flop, but before that they didn't have a console flop. And since then they have had the Wii U flop, so .... I just think it would be a smart business decision for them.
 

purbeast0

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That isn't a wish so much as a business direction that I recommend (as if I'm qualified to instruct Nintendo ;P). The game cube did seem kind of a flop, but before that they didn't have a console flop. And since then they have had the Wii U flop, so .... I just think it would be a smart business decision for them.

nintendo's hardware sales numbers would like to disagree with you.

http://www.vgchartz.com/analysis/platform_totals/

and i too would love to see nintendo games on ps4/x1 over the wii-u, but they are raking in cash still so it won't happen any time soon.
 

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http://www.polygon.com/2013/6/13/44...rried-about-used-game-sales-make-better-games



I'd also argue that, if Nintendo wants to sell consoles, they should make better consoles. Just sayin. :p




I laughed when I read this, you derailed your own thread. :D

Nintendo is right, offer gamers more than a 4-6 hour rail shooter and they won't trade it in. Offer longer term value and it will help dry up some of the people that quickly turn around and sell their games. That was part of the reason for DLC.
 

lupi

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That would be what we'd call the truth. I imagine the nintendo developed titles have a very low relative turnover rate in the use game market.
 

cmdrdredd

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I was referring to hardware, not software. I agree on software, however remember that THEY create their own flagship IPs for brand recognition and exclusivity and rely on 3rd parties for everything else just like all the other companies.

MS -> Halo, GoW?
PS -> had Crash, Spyro? what do they have now??
Nintendo -> Mario, Zelda
Sega -> Sonic

Not to mention, people don't get tired of Mario, Zelda because they are for the most part considered very good games.

PS - Uncharted, Ratchet & Clank, Killzone, Last of US (I don't think this will be a series though), little big planet

I laughed when I read this, you derailed your own thread. :D

Nintendo is right, offer gamers more than a 4-6 hour rail shooter and they won't trade it in. Offer longer term value and it will help dry up some of the people that quickly turn around and sell their games. That was part of the reason for DLC.

Dude, finish Super Mario 3d land on the 3ds and it's like a new game unlocks. Some of the replay value is insane.
 

AstroManLuca

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Nintendo is a joke. I never understood how the Wii succeeded but I get that it was most prevalent among the social media generation and casual gamer who would rather sit around at home and play Wii sports with their friends and chat on Facebook while the others are playing.

They have milked Zelda to death, Mario to his last breath, and the 3rd party never even showed up on the Wii and what little support they had is officially gone on the U.

Just my opinion of course

1. Nintendo is the only company that cares about local multiplayer and party games. This is the #1 thing that consoles can do that PCs can't.
2. Nintendo makes more kid-friendly games than the others. If you have kids, it's the best console to get.
3. Every single game publisher loves to rehash their shit over and over again. Look at Call of Duty, Madden, Assassin's Creed, or any other game series where a new one comes out every year. Or any of the other games that may not get rehashed every year but are obviously trying to appeal to the same audience. At least each new Mario game does something a little differently rather than just being another "modern terrorist shooting with raspberry jam on the screen" shitfest.
 

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1. Nintendo is the only company that cares about local multiplayer and party games. This is the #1 thing that consoles can do that PCs can't.
2. Nintendo makes more kid-friendly games than the others. If you have kids, it's the best console to get.
3. Every single game publisher loves to rehash their shit over and over again. Look at Call of Duty, Madden, Assassin's Creed, or any other game series where a new one comes out every year. Or any of the other games that may not get rehashed every year but are obviously trying to appeal to the same audience. At least each new Mario game does something a little differently rather than just being another "modern terrorist shooting with raspberry jam on the screen" shitfest.

I agree with #2, and Nintendo also try new things out compared to other game publishers.
 
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Ironic coming from the company that has been rehashing the same Pokemon game since 1996.

And yet people buy the new game. On launch day. And a new handheld to play it. Including me. *sigh*