Nintendo is going to get sued for the Wii

johnjbruin

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A Wii Workout:
When Videogames Hurt
Nintendo's new system forces players to move their bodies, causing aches for some couch potatoes; a case of 'Wii elbow'
By JAMIN WARREN
November 25, 2006;

A videogame maker has finally succeeded in getting kids off the couch and moving around. But the new approach is turning out to be more exercise than some players bargained for.

These surprisingly vigorous workouts are being triggered by Nintendo's new Wii videogames. The Wii game console, which went on sale last weekend, competes with Microsoft's Xbox 360 and Sony's new PlayStation 3. One of the Wii's distinguishing features is a motion-sensitive technology that requires players to act out their character's movements, wielding the game's controller like a sword or swinging it like a tennis racket.


The new console has been wildly successful, selling out at stores and winning high marks from critics and game buffs. But as players spend more time with the Wii, some are noticing that hours waving the game's controller around can add up to fairly intense exertion -- resulting in aches and pains common in more familiar forms of exercise. They're reporting aching backs, sore shoulders -- even something some have dubbed "Wii elbow."

"It's harder than playing basketball," says Kaitlin Franke, a 12-year-old from Louisville, Ky. She has been camped out in front of her family's TV, fine-tuning her bowling motion and practicing boxing footwork in two of the Wii's games. Almost immediately, she says, her right arm started to feel numb.

In Rochester, Minn., Jeremy Scherer and his wife spent three hours playing tennis and bowling, two of the games included with the Wii. Mr. Scherer says he managed to improve his scores -- at the cost of shoulders and back that were still aching the next day. "I was using muscles I hadn't used in a while," says Mr. Scherer, a computer programmer who describes himself as "not very active." Mr. Scherer is vowing nightly "Wii workouts" to get in better shape.
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Another hazard: collisions. All those flailing arms can sometimes inadvertently smack into lamps, furniture and even competing players. IGN.com, a popular site that reviews videogames, said one player testing the Wii lost her grip and sent the controller flying into a wall. Blaine Stuart of Rochester, N.Y., mistakenly whacked his fiancée, Shelly Haefele, while playing tennis and also accidentally hit his dog while bowling.

Nintendo itself warns players about this risk just before some of the games begin. A message flashes up on the screen saying: "Make sure there are no people or objects around you that you might bump into while playing." Some Wii games also have pop-up reminders every 15 minutes advising gamers to take a break.

Perrin Kaplan, a spokeswoman from Nintendo, says the company hasn't received complaints from any gamers about soreness. "It was not meant to be a Jenny Craig supplement," she says. "If people are finding themselves sore, they may need to exercise more." She says that while it might be more fun to play the games more aerobically, it's possible to play without leaving the couch.

The Wii's introduction is part of a critical holiday season for the videogame industry. Two big new players -- the Wii and the PS3 -- are getting their launch this year. Starting last week, shoppers have been lining up, but in many cases, stores are already sold out of both consoles. The Wii and the PS3 are now fetching more than $1,000 on some Web sites like eBay.
WII MEANS OUCH


Some of the Nintendo games that have players flailing their arms.
Wii Sports
Bundle of five games (bowling, boxing, golf, tennis and baseball). Players, among other things, throw jabs with a controller in each hand.
Rayman Raving Rabbids
To fend off an assault of rabbit-like creatures, players must shoot them with plungers and whack them on the head.
Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
The latest in long-running series, protagonist Link is in a foreign land fighting an evil force. Includes fishing sound effects.
Excite Truck
A continuation of the Excitebike series, players tilt their arms to control their truck mid-jump and bump opponents off the racetrack.
Red Steel
Controllers double as a handgun in this shooting game set in modern-day Tokyo.

The Wii, which retails for $250, comes with a remote control-size device that communicates wirelessly with a sensor sitting on the TV. It also comes with a secondary device -- which attaches via a cable to the first device -- that can mimic a variety of objects, from fishing rods to samurai swords. With their purchase, gamers also get Wii Sports, a package of five games, including golf, bowling, tennis, boxing and baseball. More than two dozen games are available for about $50 each. In one of those games, "Rayman Raving Rabbids," players aggressively shake the controller; in the action game "Red Steel," players wield it as a handgun. Nintendo has marketed the Wii to non-gamers who might find activities like bowling or golf easy to pick up and play.

Ryan Mercer, a customs broker in Indianapolis, lifts weights several times a week. But that hasn't helped much with the Wii. After playing the boxing game for an hour and a half, his arms, shoulders and torso were aching. "I was soaking wet with sweat, head to toe -- I had to go take a shower," he says. And the next morning? "I had trouble putting my shirt on," says the 21-year-old avid gamer.

Some past games have involved physical exertion. The popular "Dance Dance Revolution" by Konami has players moving their feet to music across a pad on the floor. And RedOctane's "Guitar Hero" requires players to attempt air-guitar types of moves. Beyond those two individual games, Nintendo in the 1980s sold something called the Power Pad, a plastic mat that recorded players' movements as they ran or jumped. But the Wii is a far more ambitious attempt to integrate body movement into all games.

In the past, pain from videogames has more typically been associated with the small repetitive movements of thumbing a controller's buttons. In the 1980s, some players addicted to the game "Super Mario Brothers" came down with what was later called "Nintendo thumb."

Doctors advice: Stretch out and be sure to take care of any injuries afterwards. "It's just like athletic play," says Lana Kang, an orthopedic hand surgeon at the Hospital for Special Surgery in New York City.

Ms. Haefele, who along with her fiancé is also a gamer, has been heeding that advice. Last year, she suffered a tendonitis injury and started wearing an elbow brace. Now, she also wears it when she plays the Wii.
 

da loser

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i do wonder how ergonic that controller is, because it doesn't look like they took that into account
 

Midlander

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If they get sued for sore muscles, it's a sign the world is ending.

We will have to learn how to move items with our minds soon, because we will have no ability to do it with our bodies.

:beer:
 

mundane

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I'm going to sue Nike - some friends and I played football with one of their products, and I was sore as hell the day after. One guy broke his arm - lawsuit!
 

TraumaRN

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You should post this in the stickied thread.

Anyways my little 2 year old nephew got whacked in the head the other night by my sister while bowling...he just came flying outta nowhere as she was swinging her arm for bowling and caught one right across the forehead
 

Stunt

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I played zelda all day yesterday and my wrist is a little sore.
 

johnjbruin

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Originally posted by: diegoalcatraz
I'm going to sue Nike - some friends and I played football with one of their products, and I was sore as hell the day after. One guy broke his arm - lawsuit!

That is what this country has come to.

I am willing to bet that despite all their warnings - they get sued within 6 months because some gamer sho hasn't left his house for 6 months finally got exercise and due to exersion gets some heart condition or something.
 

Lonyo

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I would say PS2 controllers are worse. Playing for maybe an hour using the analogue stick and my thumb hurts like hell.
 

gamepad

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there was this one third party xbox controller that destroyed my hands after about an hour of play. i wonder if that company got sued.
 

mugs

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Originally posted by: da loser
i do wonder how ergonic that controller is, because it doesn't look like they took that into account

It's actually better than a traditional controller, because your hands aren't forced into a specific position - they can move indepenently. The controllers themselves are very comfortable in your hands.
 

BobDaMenkey

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I am going to weep in a corner for a couple days if someone actually sues and gets something out of this over sore muscles. Muscles get sore because you're using them more than they are able to be used. They are sore because you've caused them to rip, after a day or two they will repair themselves, and become larger, and more resiliant to activites. Rinse and repeat, it's the basics of body building, weight training and anything athletic. If fatties can't cope, then don't play the games.


Although I doubt it'll hit through, becuase no one sued Konami(I think) over DDR, and that could leave you right sore the next day.
 

Paratus

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So let me get this straight:

If you play with your WII too long your wrist hurts?

Who didn't know this already?

:p
 

purbeast0

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Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: da loser
i do wonder how ergonic that controller is, because it doesn't look like they took that into account

It's actually better than a traditional controller, because your hands aren't forced into a specific position - they can move indepenently. The controllers themselves are very comfortable in your hands.

i have to agree with this comment. i have never been more comfortable playing a game than I was playing Zelda the other day. I was just lounging on my couch with one arm on one side, and my other arm on the other side of my body, and i was just controlling the game perfectly. it just felt so comfortable to be able to play a game without having to put your hands right next to eachother in front of your body.
 

isekii

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Is Logitech and Microsoft gonna get sued for the Mice and Keyboard ?

Cuz using the Mouse for extended times makes my wrist sore.
 

bunnyfubbles

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I thought this thread would be about some company trying to legitimately sue Nintendo (like Apple or something far-fetched), not this garbage.
 

amicold

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Originally posted by: da loser
i do wonder how ergonic that controller is, because it doesn't look like they took that into account

Ergonomic? It's very ergonomic, you can't tell until you hold it. I just played last night, and it's damn fun.