Nintendo fires employee for working another job

[Sonikku]

http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/03/31/nintendo-terminates-fire-emblem-fates-spokesperson

Or so they say. :hmm:

 

[Moonbeam]

How do you feel about what they say. I'm not sticking my neck out venturing an opinion till I'm sure it won't lead to your cutting my head off.

 

[JSt0rm]

That website is script shit so not reading the article but if a company pays you over market for exclusivity then he'll yes you can be fired for working other places. Not sure this is what happened here but it's a very possible thing.

 

[Matthiasa]

I've worked at a place where any additional income from work performed for 3rd parties (read not the company) was considered a conflict of interest even if it something completely unrelated.
No I was definitely not getting paid above market rates...

 

[Blue_Max]

This almost belongs in the gamergate thread. Alison was fired for a number of negative factors, including her vocal public support of child porn. She's now whining at top volume about how she's a "victim" of misogyny, gamergaters, harassment, you name it. Sarkeesian and the whole SJW crowd are rallying to her defense and showing their support for this poor, poor 'victim'.
Found a vid on the subject: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8eMxNCb_Hc

 

[Sonikku]

How do you feel about what they say. I'm not sticking my neck out venturing an opinion till I'm sure it won't lead to your cutting my head off.

Social justice! Rable rable rable!

 

[MomentsofSanity]

She admitted that she was moonlighting under a pseudonym. Nothing says what the other job was however.

 

[kage69]

She admitted that she was moonlighting under a pseudonym. Nothing says what the other job was however.

Moonlighting under a pseudonym at a mystery job, to pay off students loans?



Escort.

 

[JSt0rm]

This almost belongs in the gamergate thread. Alison was fired for a number of negative factors, including her vocal public support of child porn. She's now whining at top volume about how she's a "victim" of misogyny, gamergaters, harassment, you name it. Sarkeesian and the whole SJW crowd are rallying to her defense and showing their support for this poor, poor 'victim'.
Found a vid on the subject: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8eMxNCb_Hc

You are insane. Can we get some real sources for that claim?

 

[Blue_Max]

You are insane. Can we get some real sources for that claim?

Her own tweets are quoted in that video and in many, many others. It's not a big secret.

 

[Darwin333]

Her own tweets are quoted in that video and in many, many others. It's not a big secret.

Wow, a woman in support of child porn sounds like a very rare thing...

 

[JSt0rm]

sounds like a hacked twitter account to me.

 

[Blue_Max]

sounds like a hacked twitter account to me.

She's been defending her stance for a long time, not denying it or saying it's an impostor.

Getting pretty desperate to avoid uncomfortable reality?

 

[cubby1223]

She's been defending her stance for a long time, not denying it or saying it's an impostor.

Getting pretty desperate to avoid uncomfortable reality?

Yea, knowing the quality of people involved in the gamergate drama, I wouldn't take anything anyone says at face value. It sounds more like you have internal issues of your own you need resolving first.

 

[kage69]

This almost belongs in the gamergate thread. Alison was fired for a number of negative factors, including her vocal public support of child porn. She's now whining at top volume about how she's a "victim" of misogyny, gamergaters, harassment, you name it. Sarkeesian and the whole SJW crowd are rallying to her defense and showing their support for this poor, poor 'victim'.
Found a vid on the subject: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8eMxNCb_Hc

Quoting a Drumpf fan doesn't exactly prove anything (well, not anything I'll add to this thread anyway) but I decided to look into this and now I can see why frenzied gamers who feel jilted might resort to this kind of thing, particularly if it involves elements of Japanese culture they see as irrelevant, being Americans not in the employ of Nintendo.

Saw this on kotaku:

"Rapp regularly discussed her harassment on Twitter and seemed to be managing her way through it, but, when Fire Emblem Fates was released in February with a flirtatious face-touching mini-game removed, things took another turn. Someone found a 2011 college essay of hers, in which Rapp explored Japan’s relationship with child porn laws and, ironically, seemed to fall more in line with a Japanese cultural viewpoint about the sexualization of teens. It was a complicated, messy essay that often argued for Japan to keep its cultural values intact–the very thing many of her harassers were supposedly arguing for–but was spun by some as defending pedophilia."


I haven't read it, but at face value it sounds to me like she became the sacrificial node for America's basement dwellers to vent at, to the point she became a PR liability for Nintendo.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

sounds like a hacked twitter account to me.

You are insane. Can we get some real sources for that claim?

 

[Blue_Max]

Yea, knowing the quality of people involved in the gamergate drama, I wouldn't take anything anyone says at face value. It sounds more like you have internal issues of your own you need resolving first.

She publicly. defends. child porn. No one's accusing her of it, her own words are doing so. She twittered about it often.

...and you try to convince people *I* have the "internal issues" to resolve?

 

[stlc8tr]

You are insane. Can we get some real sources for that claim?

Ars had a piece on this recently.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2016/...-staffer-but-denies-caving-to-trolls-demands/

In the comments, someone linked to her essay.

https://issuu.com/honorsreview/docs/volumeiv/6

I only scanned it so it's not clear if she's talking about pedophilia or something more benign like ephebophilia.

 

[Exophase]

She was most likely fired due to the nature of her other work, not because she was moonlighting in general. Nintendo has said that what she did went against their corporate culture, and there are some fairly blatant suggestions that the work was erotic modeling. Possibly porn. Some of it featuring Nintendo products. And she outright asked for lingerie and gifts in exchange for posting provocative pictures.

Her history of comments on child porn, adolescent sexuality and pedophilia were probably not the deciding factors in her termination.

Here's what I posted on another forum.. easiest to just copy and paste that here:

I don't know if there's evidence that Alison Rapp was a straight up camgirl. That is, actual pornographic performer. But the tweets appeared to be at minimum professional modelling of a mildly-erotic nature. And I doubt it was a coincidence she was posing with Nintendo products. She was probably leveraging her status as a Nintendo figure in a commission that had nothing to do with Nintendo. It's really not hard to see how this is a serious conflict, even before you get to the image clash with Nintendo's values.

I very strongly doubt that a huge company like Nintendo fired her just to make the CP/pedophilia-related complaints stop, especially when a) the complaints were associated with a group that the media has overwhelmingly portrayed as scum and b) the only article from a noteworthy source (Kotaku) addressing this was heavily at bat for her and c) the whole thing started months ago and had probably already mostly died down. The informant of the tweets may have come from one of the same people but you can't really blame Nintendo for not dismissing relevant information solely because of the sender.

I haven't read her old essay about Japanese norms and I'm not going to bother; I think she's made enough tweets to show that she wants western society to be more lenient with adults in sexual relationships with adolescents and adults who possess CP. That's not really a judgement call either way, I don't really feel like even getting into that. But the stance itself is not really that ambiguous. And it's one that is obviously going to make a ton of people very unhappy with her.

EDIT: And there's this.. https://twitter.com/alisonrapp/status/6 ... 0595110912

She absolutely had a history of using this personal Twitter account in a capacity of representing Nintendo (whom she lists in the bio) as their spokesperson. Some people who viewed her in official Nintendo material would have absolutely followed her to this very public twitter with 17.7K followers. So she's basically telling a chunk of the Nintendo audience (which includes a lot of young children) who recognize her as a Nintendo figure to buy her gifts and outfits in exchange for sexually provocative poses. I mean come on, does anyone seriously think it's a stretch that Nintendo has a problem with this? Maybe it'd be okay if she met with Nintendo fans at conventions then sold them sex after hours too, I mean why not right? And I know people are going to say this is unfair but I really get a vibe from her comments on twitter that she very much knew she was addressing underage fans with these sexual solicitations. With all of her pedophile apologia and defense of teenage sexual agency I really can't help but wonder if she's totally fine with this. In the very thread I linked she's literally talking to someone who appears to be in highschool about prospective college study. Her Twitter bio also linked to a children's charity.

There's seriously only so far an "opinions are mine only" disclaimer can protect you.

She's been talking in her Twitter about how moonlighting is actually okay with Nintendo but that's a complete deflection, Nintendo was very clear that the moonlighting she was doing was in conflict with their corporate culture. Only someone who really wants Nintendo to be the bad guys will interpret that as moonlighting itself being against Nintendo's corporate culture. She admits she was using an alias in her other job, she won't say what that job was, obviously this is all for a reason. Considering what she DID link to her real name the stuff behind the alias is probably more risque.

And you know what, she definitely knows why she got fired. She can go on about how that can't really be the real reason but I struggle to believe someone can be this delusional and self-absorbed while still possessing any functionality as an adult. Shame on her for wrongfully implicating Nintendo and shame on her for capitalizing on her victim status to raise money. Her bullshit is doing real damage to Nintendo that they don't deserve.

Honestly I won't be surprised if companies start disallowing their public facing employees to even have big social media presences that aren't strictly company outlets. They're all going to be scared to death of this trainwreck and I swear I can sense a torrent of Rapp-likes on the horizon.

Please consider all this before jumping to blame her termination on a GamerGate harassment campaign or Nintendo, and before advocating sympathy or crowd funding for her. Unfortunately the public word has once again been distorted by media like Kotaku that are very eager to be on the defensive for her.

 

[Blue_Max]

Saw this on kotaku:
I haven't read it, but at face value it sounds to me like she became the sacrificial node for America's basement dwellers to vent at, to the point she became a PR liability for Nintendo.

Exactly what the pro-SJW, anti-gamer (despite that once being their primary audience) 'journalists' spinned it. Happens in 'progressive' media all the time.

Love how you also spin it so that anyone who disagrees with you is automatically a "basement dweller", etc. Nothing new there - it's been what kotaku, Sarkeesian and all the others have been accusing gamers of from day one.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

 

[Exophase]

Wow, a woman in support of child porn sounds like a very rare thing...

Probably because you have to be super oblivious to not realize that it'll result in tremendous criticism and backlash. May as well defend rapists.

But maybe Alison Rapp is just that oblivious since she didn't seem to understand the conflict between her job as a public figure on Nintendo and her job of being a Twitter gravure idol.

She seems like the type who says whatever enters her mind with zero regard for how it reflects on her or other people. Maybe that's what happens for a person who's used to getting things easily - she said outright that Nintendo hired her just for showing up and smiling (gee, I wonder what their criteria were)

 

[DigDog]

i'm guessing a manga head who reads lolicon

 

[kage69]

Exactly what the pro-SJW, anti-gamer (despite that once being their primary audience) 'journalists' spinned it. Happens in 'progressive' media all the time.

Is there something in what I quoted that is factually incorrect? I'm not that familiar with kotaku, haven't been a gamer in a long time. Maybe I'm unaware of whatever stigma has been applied to it in the past, but regardless if there is a known error there by all means let me know. Or not, I guess, if your thing here is to bash the source and not the info.

Love how you also spin it so that anyone who disagrees with you is automatically a "basement dweller", etc.

No, you don't, because I did nothing of the sort. I never have a problem with people disagreeing with me, it's what creates actual debate. My basement dweller comments were directed at the grown men who have gone frothy over their face touching anime mini game, to the point they are ok vilifying and harrassing those they consider to be their enemy. Over a fucking game. That kind of behavior is exactly the kind of petulant, selfish bullshit basement dwelling man children pull all the time. I can't have my toys, therefore someone has to pay. Not to say many of her own actions and choices didn't factor into her termination - clearly they did - but she had help.

If you don't live in your basement, don't consider gaming to be your primary focus in life, and can discuss cultural differences like an adult than grats, you are not in that crowd.

You know what I love? That you can take the statement "I haven't read it, but at face value it sounds to me like she became the sacrificial node for America's basement dwellers to vent at, to the point she became a PR liability for Nintendo." and act like speaking for myself, also making note of info I don't have, is the mark of someone trying to spin a story. Hahahaha of course!

 

[Exophase]

Look at this bullshit...

http://mynintendonews.com/2016/03/3...e-as-a-result-of-nintendo-firing-alison-rapp/

A developer cancels a Wii U game because Nintendo fired Alison Rapp. All because Alison claims the termination was unfair and blames it on a harassment campaign and the media backs it up without question. As if someone who is fired is always the most reliable source and someone who should be trusted over the employer! Let's not let all of these facts get in a way, they may paint a very different picture but who cares because when The Victim talks you'd better Listen and Believe.

I'm sick to death of this media garbage. It's showing more and more that it results in real world consequences that go beyond pissing off immature jerks on Reddit and 4chan. They all think they're so progressive and are such big women's advocates. But when it comes to women and gaming they only ever give a shit if the woman is a victim of something. Oh, and if she's a very outspoken and critical feminist, that's an important necessity. Women who just love the industry, word hard and bring innovation? Fuck them, that's not interesting. Getting mean tweets from Misoginysts (tm), that's interesting. And then it becomes no coincidence that the women they focus are by and large dishonest, manipulative and selfish narcissists. They'd may as well put up a want ad for people with Munchausen by Internet Syndrome.

I get the impression that Patrick Klepick is a well intentioned and good guy but he can go fuck himself. This is mostly his fault.