Nikon D700

[randomlinh]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: randomlinh
yay, hopefully this will push crop camera pricing down too in the long run. I'd like to see a 40D caliber camera go for under $500

i think magnesium body cameras will stay above the $800 mark for a long while. i'm not sure if you'll get a 2 control wheel camera under $500 any time soon either.

define a long while. I wouldn't be surprised to see it 5yrs out from now. $500 may have been too much wishful thinking, that might be more a high end XSi. But under $800, sure, now that we'll start having some FF competition.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: tdawg

Originally posted by: ElFenix
olympus has full frame bodies under $500

why wouldn't it be possible?

Where?

make that under $350

Originally posted by: randomlinh

define a long while. I wouldn't be surprised to see it 5yrs out from now. $500 may have been too much wishful thinking, that might be more a high end XSi. But under $800, sure, now that we'll start having some FF competition.

well the way inflation is going maybe never. i wouldn't be shocked to find out that the body is actually more expensive than the sensor for crop models. sure, some cameras near EOL or on clearance will sneak below $800 from time to time, but i think that will be the floor for magnesium cameras. even the plastic bodied D80, now almost 2 years old, is $730.

you'll find plastic bodied 135 sensor cameras before cheap magnesium body cameras.

 

[tdawg]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: tdawg

Originally posted by: ElFenix
olympus has full frame bodies under $500

why wouldn't it be possible?

Where?

make that under $350

Originally posted by: randomlinh

define a long while. I wouldn't be surprised to see it 5yrs out from now. $500 may have been too much wishful thinking, that might be more a high end XSi. But under $800, sure, now that we'll start having some FF competition.

well the way inflation is going maybe never. i wouldn't be shocked to find out that the body is actually more expensive than the sensor for crop models. sure, some cameras near EOL or on clearance will sneak below $800 from time to time, but i think that will be the floor for magnesium cameras. even the plastic bodied D80, now almost 2 years old, is $730.

you'll find plastic bodied 135 sensor cameras before cheap magnesium body cameras.

The E-410 is a 4/3 sensor, not a full frame, or 24mm x 36mm sensor size. Not sure what you're trying to claim here.

 

[virtuamike]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: virtuamike

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Body-Only is $3,000. Damn! $1000 more than I would like!

Looks like the D3 is dropping in price too, makes things interesting.

Where did you read about a D3 price drop?

One thing I still like about the D300 is how the 51 AF points stretch across almost the entire length of the viewfinder.

Calumet, B&H, and Amazon all have it at $4820. And I've read about people picking it up for cheaper than that.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: tdawg

The E-410 is a 4/3 sensor, not a full frame, or 24mm x 36mm sensor size. Not sure what you're trying to claim here.

full frame means that the sensor size is what the system was designed for. 4/3 is a system designed around that sensor size. so it is full frame. the crop bodies are cropped because the systems and most of the lenses have been built for the 135 format. (and 135 is actually double frame, anyway)

otherwise, i'm just going to claim that anything 135 size is 1/4 frame because, after all, 6x6 is 4x bigger.

or how about 8x12? that's ~200x300 in millimeters. or 70x the size.

 

[tdawg]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: tdawg

The E-410 is a 4/3 sensor, not a full frame, or 24mm x 36mm sensor size. Not sure what you're trying to claim here.

full frame means that the sensor size is what the system was designed for. 4/3 is a system designed around that sensor size. so it is full frame. the crop bodies are cropped because the systems and most of the lenses have been built for the 135 format. (and 135 is actually double frame, anyway)

otherwise, i'm just going to claim that anything 135 size is 1/4 frame because, after all, 6x6 is 4x bigger.

or how about 8x12? that's ~200x300 in millimeters. or 70x the size.

Yes, but you know that full frame, in the context of this discussion, means 24mm x 36mm. The vast majority of the community understands that when a camera is said to have a full-frame sensor, they are offering the same size sensor the vast majority was used to with film. This is also clearly what the original poster was referring to and there's little need to confuse the issue to try to make a point without any explanation that you are referring to the admittedly bastardized connotation of "full frame".

So, in the context of this discussion, as well as the original poster's point, the 5D is the only "full frame" camera under $2000.

 

[ElFenix]

after thinking about it a bit, these are about the specs i would expect for a 3D, and about the price point. i wonder if nikon and canon will be going head to head?


edit: and there is the hand wringing in all the canon forums as if their cameras are suddenly worse because nikon has announced the D700. 'oh noes my 40D sucks now because a camera costing 3x what it does was announced!'

 

[randomlinh]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
after thinking about it a bit, these are about the specs i would expect for a 3D, and about the price point. i wonder if nikon and canon will be going head to head?


edit: and there is the hand wringing in all the canon forums as if their cameras are suddenly worse because nikon has announced the D700. 'oh noes my 40D sucks now because a camera costing 3x what it does was announced!'

shit, that must make my 20D a piece of junk.

 

[IeraseU]

It looks great, too bad I can't afford it.

 

[ElFenix]

uh oh, if thom hogan is right all the canon measurebators on dpreview are going to pop a lung.


though i'm not sure i should believe this, thom claims there is a D900 in the works.

thom claims there is no D3x.

the D900 would be using sony's 24 mp sensor.

it'd be in the D700 body.

the real shocker: same price as the D700.



at first i thought thom has to be shensing everyone.


but then i remembered all those sony A900 price rumors.

and who would know sony's plans better than anyone? nikon.

nikon also has a lot more to lose by sony entering the market than anyone.

for canon, cameras are a drop in the bucket. canon has the financial resources to go toe to toe with sony.

nikon's SLRs are one of their largest, if not largest, revenue streams.


things that make you go hmmmm.


(it's really funny watching people claim that canon is abandoning the professional photo market)

 

[ElFenix]

samples!

edit: i lined up 200, 1600, and 25600 pics in 3 tabs so that the images didn't change when i switched between tabs. 200 is softer than 1600. i guess the 1/2 second shutter speed picked up minor vibrations coming from the floor? 25600 is still noticeably noisy even at smaller sizes like 4x5, but probably no worse than, say, color IS01600 film. and you have it if you need it.

 

[pennylane]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
samples!

edit: i lined up 200, 1600, and 25600 pics in 3 tabs so that the images didn't change when i switched between tabs. 200 is softer than 1600. i guess the 1/2 second shutter speed picked up minor vibrations coming from the floor? 25600 is still noticeably noisy even at smaller sizes like 4x5, but probably no worse than, say, color IS01600 film. and you have it if you need it.

You're referring to the bunny/rubix cube/plant thing pictures right?

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: fanerman91

Originally posted by: ElFenix
samples!

edit: i lined up 200, 1600, and 25600 pics in 3 tabs so that the images didn't change when i switched between tabs. 200 is softer than 1600. i guess the 1/2 second shutter speed picked up minor vibrations coming from the floor? 25600 is still noticeably noisy even at smaller sizes like 4x5, but probably no worse than, say, color IS01600 film. and you have it if you need it.

You're referring to the bunny/rubix cube/plant thing pictures right?

yeah