Ignorance is bliss, no? The truth is there is a correlation between the hundreds of million of ton of pollutants we put in the atmosphere and GW.
Ignorance is bliss, no? The truth is there is a correlation between the hundreds of million of ton of pollutants we put in the atmosphere and GW.
What is the power of the correlation? What is the correlation coefficient? What is the goodness of fit?
Every study I have seen hasn't shown any significant correlation where I'd say "Holy shit, that explains it all". Even if an R2 was significant, that's only in the short-term and doesn't show what affects *WE* have.
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Well, of course. I don't think anyone argues this.
And ironically, if we put up more of those particulate pollutions that block sunlight and less pure greenhouse gases, MMGW would be less of a problem. The "irrational fear" of global cooling mentioned by someone earlier in this thread was actually quite real at the time.
I'm not advocating that we actually go back to dumping huge quantities of sunlight-blocking soot into the atmosphere, but on the subject of ignorance leading to bliss, I just thought I would point out that MMGW is actually a symptom of humans IMPROVING their environmental record, and not the opposite.
lol. The regression analysis you seek has been published in many areas, not least at the UN and even here at the Earth Institute at Columbia University. But even if those analysis don't convince you, common sense should. To think that the hundreds of millions of ton of pollutants we put in the air everyday has no effect on GW is stupid. But to continue to live your life as if mankind is innocent of all this is laughable. I'm glad that there are real, serious people out there doing good work while the ignorant and deniers do nothing.
But it happens the same way everything in nature happens, slowly until it hits you. By then it's too late.
First off, I am not a denier, I am a heavy skeptic.
Second, I haven't seen any regression analysis that has convinced me that man is the one changing anything
Third, who knows if that has any effect, thus far it's had almost none. NASA and bouys prove that.
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Yaknow, your side of the debate might have a touch more credibility in the argument if you actually argued something besides insults and straw men. As it is though, you're really doing more harm than good for the cause, and the blowback is starting to become more and more evident in public opinion.
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First, replace your term pollution with CO2. CO2 is not just man made pollution.
Of course CO2 correlates with temperature rise. Yet which is the cause and which is the effect? CO2 rise correlates with temperature rise, because we?re beginning to prove temperature rise causes CO2 rise. Not the other way around.
TBH, I think you're living in the past. Before GW was a fringe subject that only "tree-huggers" talked about. Now, it's a policy-level issue in every government and major corporation. Like I said, good people are working hard on this. You stand to enjoy the benefits but your denial in the face of mountains of data is entertaining and sad.
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ya... right.I sincerely hope my sarcasm meter is just broken...
it's like living below sea level next to the sea, or building your house on a fault line... something truly intelligent people would normally avoid.
You may be right but to insult billions of people isn't the way to rally the world around a major cause.
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I'm sorry, did I deny anything? Oops, no, I didn't, you made that up. Here with go again with a usual Dari argument. You'll assign me my argument as being anything other than my actual argument while you'll drape yourself in some halo that has nothing to do with what you're actually arguing.
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Is it my fault, or should I even care, that the world is full of billlions of stupid people!? That's common knowledge...Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: palehorse74
ya... right.
it's like living below sea level next to the sea, or building your house on a fault line... something truly intelligent people would normally avoid.
You may be right but to insult billions of people isn't the way to rally the world around a major cause.
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Is it my fault, or should I even care, that the world is full of billlions of stupid people!? That's common knowledge...Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: palehorse74
ya... right.
it's like living below sea level next to the sea, or building your house on a fault line... something truly intelligent people would normally avoid.
You may be right but to insult billions of people isn't the way to rally the world around a major cause.
Well then let's limit this to the US, shall we? It's not only the people on the coasts who are going to be affected, I live 50 miles from the ocean and according to some models pretty much every square inch of FL will be under water.
By your rationale everyone who doesn't live in Oklahoma is a fucking moron who deserves to have their house swept away.
Come on man.
Now this is just the US, where by and large people have some choice about where they are going to reside. This doesn't really apply to large parts of the world, especially third world countries.
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Who says so, and when will that happen?Originally posted by: ayabe
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Is it my fault, or should I even care, that the world is full of billlions of stupid people!? That's common knowledge...Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: palehorse74
ya... right.
it's like living below sea level next to the sea, or building your house on a fault line... something truly intelligent people would normally avoid.
You may be right but to insult billions of people isn't the way to rally the world around a major cause.
Well then let's limit this to the US, shall we? It's not only the people on the coasts who are going to be affected, I live 50 miles from the ocean and according to some models pretty much every square inch of FL will be under water.
And you honestly believe that we have the power to stop that from happening?
Actually, Oklahoma is a bad example.. too many morons already live there.
I'd actually just say that anyone who goes through life worrying about this happening, especially during our lifetime, or who actually thinks we could stop it from happening, is the moron.
1. they could build an ark.
2. they could migrate to higher ground. if they're poor, that means less shit they have to carry with them when they go.
3. they could drown and die.
you see, everyone has a choice!
Once again, wtf makes you think that we, as a species, could ever stop something so dramatic from happening?
If/when the seas rise up to cover half of the land on Earth, it wont happen overnight, and it probably wont come as a surprise. Most importantly, there aint a g'damn thing we could do about it -- except move to higher ground.
seriously, chill out dude. living cleanly is great, and I encourage everyone to do their part... but you need to stop going all Al Gore Armageddon on everyone... it makes you look like a clown!
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