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Nforce, digital audio out and new klipsch 5.1 speakers?

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AbRASiON

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I've been thinking about some new speakers recently, and I hear that Klipsch will be releasing some 5.1 speakers (4 sats, 1 centre and 1 sub the "full" setup for movies / games)

Anyone know how all this works and if it would?
When the signal comes from the optical audio out, would it still work ok in Stereo only for Windows / MP3's or would this optical port only work on the nforce board with 5.1 source audio?
What about the sub / decoder on the speakers, would that accept a stereo only signal from the PC (again in the case of non 5.1 audio)

Anyone have any more information on the speakers, there's no information on Klipsch's site unfortunately - however Creative also make full 5.1 digital in speakers as well, anyone know if these are any good (I'm assuming not, also the Klipsch ones = sexy)

Any more information - specifically from anyone with an nforce would be cool.

-Thx
 
I notice I completely neglected to mention these new speakers have a _DIGITAL_ input (optical or coax, I'm not sure, but digital none the less)
 
Please site your source as none of this has been mentioned on the Klipsch ProMedia forums.

Might you be confusing the Klipsch decoder made for the ProMedia line?? (Klipsch DD-5.1) ???
 
Yeah, I think they were wrong in this one instance. The Hercules speaker info along with the bit on the new Klipsch 5.1s was posted November 2001. They have been referring to the ProMedia 5.1s which are out and use analog connections (they do give you 1/8" miniplugs with gold ends however.)
 
He claims he is receiving some in March - new ones - so he claims (email)

Sure Klipsch are not working on digital ones? - Creative have them.....
 
I can't say I'm sure, but I would definately be surprised that they'd go digital all of a sudden. I really do think the digital interface improves fidelity--that'd be great if Klipsch made a digital interface...we'll see I guess.

 
<<but I would definately be surprised that they'd go digital all of a sudden>>

Whats so supprising?, frankly I'de be supprised if they dident. Their main focus is audio and the fact that they dont have Digital speakers out yet baffles me.
 
AbRASiON

For your information... I just got MSI K7N420 from AusPCMarket last week. I've played with it for few days now.. and I can safely say that the driver for Nforce APU is still not mature.

You will get DD5.1 from DD5.1 sound source using the SPDIF Out but if the sound source is not 5.1, you only get sound from front 2 speakers. Hopefully, nvidia will come out with better driver to address this. Of course if anyone has managed to get 4.1 or 5.1 sound from a non-DD5.1 source using SPDIF, I'm all ears 🙂

As for Klipsch 5.1 setup, I read some where that you need an addon decoder for full 5.1 digital sound. Someone who has Klipsch 5.1 confirm this plz.
 
Sanz:

So stereo sound will come out no problems from a Stereo source into at least 2 speakers though?
Is it meant to do all 4 at once no matter what?

Did you see the post from Michael @ Aus PC Market in regards to the Digital Klipsch? - I like that idea v.much.

is SP/DIF coax or optical or what?

How much was the board, and how stable is it?
 
So stereo sound will come out no problems from a Stereo source into at least 2 speakers though?
Is it meant to do all 4 at once no matter what?

Yes. Nforce APU was supposed to re-encode the sound into 5.1 sound so you get sound from all the speakers. It won't be full DD5.1 but at least have sound from rear speaker. Currently, it doesn't.

I've read that some MSI boards come with CNR for analogue sound.. but the one I got didn't so I can't confirm.

Did you see the post from Michael @ Aus PC Market in regards to the Digital Klipsch? - I like that idea v.much.

No. Where was it at? OCAU? Link?

is SP/DIF coax or optical or what?

It's Coax. I've got Cambridge DTT2500 and have confirmed the DD5.1 by using MSI's test 6-channel wave file.

How much was the board, and how stable is it?

It was $363.. and so far stable for 3 days. Certainly better than the VIA stuff I've used before.
 


<< Yes. Nforce APU was supposed to re-encode the sound into 5.1 sound so you get sound from all the speakers. It won't be full DD5.1 but at least have sound from rear speaker. Currently, it doesn't. >>



So this is a standard stereo source simply "doubling the output" from 2 to 4 speakers, I believe the MX300 did this didn't it? (front and rear) - should be bloody easy to do! 🙁 (assuming I know my tech)

It DOES do true DD 5.1 with DVD's




<<
No. Where was it at? OCAU? Link >>



It's actually on AusPC Market itself - under news,
http://www.auspcmarket.com.au/news.php3#newsitem1006757071,33132, click that then go down to where he mentions Hercules speakers - see the note about Klipsch there.




<< Coax >>



Does it do optical ( your speakers and or the nforce board? ) any REAL difference vs your standard low end 16 bit sound card?


As for the stability - so it should be, I'm tired of via garbage, I'm thinking 333mhz nforce (2.0?) for me in X months time (whenever it comes out)
I'm sorely tempted to get a 5.1 speaker setup for this room, not that I can afford it, but jebus the room is perfect for it.


Check this pic out
http://members.optushome.com.au/abrasion2/5.1couldbgood.jpg

Darn tempting!
(might have to replace the SB16 too......)
 
"You can not edit this message, you are not the original author"

Sorry wtf? 🙁

Anyhow when I said "it is 5.1 for DVD's though right" it was actually a question??..
 
First of all, I wouldn't go as far as to call VIA products "garbage"

THey have done great work in helping the development of the AMD Platform. EVEN SO I MUST ADMIT that I have an ABIt kT7A-RAID and I hate it very much. THe kt133 CHipset was WAY TOO picky. I know that it is a good board, but unfortunately, my experience did not prove to be a formidable one for VIA.'

HOWEVER.. they have matured their kt266A chipset into a formidable oppent that bends over for no one. My EPOX 8HKA+ has proven to be one of the GREATEST boards I have used(MY ASUS P2B-F WAS AWESOME UNTIL IT DIED🙁


Nvidia has a fine board, but I regard mine with more respect because it is PROVEN and I am akin to such a characteristic. N VIDIA still has DD5.1 encoding and stuff of the sort, but I would seriously consider waiting for a later revision before running to the store.

AS for the Klipsch, they only have ANALOG INPUTS. My friend has them and as a set that is what you get...three mini-jacks..Center and Front and Rear.

THere is however a Decoder that they sell that will allott for digital connection. I believe it has both Coxial and Optical inputs. Check the website.

FINALLY...as for stereo reproduction into 5.1 here is my recommendation.


GET the Kplisch5.1 With the DD decoder.

THEN use powerDVD XP from cyberlink. THey hyave Dolby ProLogic II built in software, so it will go to the Decoder to ALL THE CHANNELS.

As proof, A client of my fathers(He is a contracter) hired me to setup the Hometheater for the basement we were reodling..actually there was nothing htere at all. He has a VERY NICE stereo with 5.1 coming out of a DELTA sound card. he was using 6channel audio out with the Prologic II using anolg out(His card has 6 RCA-outs😀😀😀) and optical/Toslink for the DD 5.1 in DVDs

Basically use both of the inputs that the Klipsch box will give you...analog for prol;ogic II, which if my memeory serves me right, is analog, and DD 5.1 through the optical(digitak) connection

Works like a freakin' charm!!!!!
 


<< would seriously consider waiting for a later revision before running to the store. >>



Agreed and I shall be doing that, but I'd like to be all "researched up" on the dolby implimentation and so on before I do so.



<< AS for the Klipsch, they only have ANALOG INPUTS. My friend has them and as a set that is what you get...three mini-jacks..Center and Front and Rear. >>



That's fine with me I SPOSE, IF IF the Nforce has 3 mini jacks OUT of it to support the full 6 channels and if someone (that other aussie fellow?) can hook me up with a full 6 channel .WAV file to test such things as all 6 channels

I want it to be implimented "properly" - 6 audio channels etc.




<< THere is however a Decoder that they sell that will allott for digital connection. I believe it has both Coxial and Optical inputs. Check the website. >>


So I'm assuming it just interprets the 5.1 signal and decodes it to analog ->into the sub of the Klipsch's? would probably do just as good a job as the same thing being built in, they just haven't done it yet.





<< FINALLY...as for stereo reproduction into 5.1 here is my recommendation.


GET the Kplisch5.1 With the DD decoder.

THEN use powerDVD XP from cyberlink. THey hyave Dolby ProLogic II built in software, so it will go to the Decoder to ALL THE CHANNELS.

As proof, A client of my fathers(He is a contracter) hired me to setup the Hometheater for the basement we were reodling..actually there was nothing htere at all. He has a VERY NICE stereo with 5.1 coming out of a DELTA sound card. he was using 6channel audio out with the Prologic II using anolg out(His card has 6 RCA-outs) and optical/Toslink for the DD 5.1 in DVDs

Basically use both of the inputs that the Klipsch box will give you...analog for prol;ogic II, which if my memeory serves me right, is analog, and DD 5.1 through the optical(digitak) connection >>



You can't use the Klipsch DD decoder AND the 6 RCA's at once though can you?

You'd think if creative can make speakers with digital in, Klipsch could do it...
 


<< You can't use the Klipsch DD decoder AND the 6 RCA's at once though can you?

You'd think if creative can make speakers with digital in, Klipsch could do it... >>




Actually, you switch the inputs depending on the source. THis seems painstaking, but remember that he has a HT setup. WE have a preprogramed remote that controls all aplications and such. EVery setting is automatic. Even the reciever switches to the right input.

When you thinkl about it, allyou have to do in your case is press the "input" selctor on the remote..


THe reason they are not "digital" is because they don't "need to be. iF they were just "digital" not many people would be able to use them because many cards don't have toslink...creative live(without the breakout box) only had analog minijack.

All that happens in this case is that the D/A convertor is in the extra box instead of the speakers. In such a speaker system that really never makes a "noticable" difference. Maybe a little hiss but what do expect. If you have a NICE Sound card there should be no problem

Since the D/A conversion happens in the box, the connection between the box and the PC becomes irrelevant..either you hear it or you don't. THEN all that matters is the box which converts the sound into analog which can suffer in bad conditions. THe speakers are great though, so there shouldn't be anything to worry about.
 
Regardless of where the D/A convertor is (soundcard...Decoder box..speakers) the connection between the conversion point and output is the key.

I nthe case of the an alog input of just the speaker set, that will rely heavily on the quality of your sound card....THe optical Passthu, using the box, will be mostly dependant on the actual box itself.


THe HT setup I had dpended on the souncard and the Reciever, depending on what we wanted..analog could still be sent through the optical if the Soundcard converted it to digital through the fiber, and the nthe reciever then decoded it...too much work....too many conversions just open the door for imperfections...


Analog is what you get in the end anyways..don't tell me you have a D/A convertor in your brain...

I wish God had equipped me with that model...🙁🙁
 
The Klipsch box should retail for about a hundred bucks. from what I recall the Klipsch digital box does have the optical input, it does do 5.1, but it does not do DTS. If you are not concerened by the lack of DTS, then judging by the price and the Klipsch brand, you should get a quality piece of hardware (but we are talking an extra hundred dollars here... ouch!). I am considering getting this box (DTS would make it an easy decision), but I don't have any personal experience with it at this time.

EDIT: The unit is called Audio Tornado 5.1
 
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