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Nforce and Ati Video card

TorxT3D

Senior member
I was just thinking before i make a plunge to buy a radeon 9800 pro..

does nforce chipsets favor nvidia cards more than ati? Or is it about even?
sounds like a stupid question but i was just wondering if theres benchmarks and comparisons with an ATI card on a nforce board vs VIA board.

You would think, with all the marketing hype and speculation, hardware favoring these days, nvidia would cripple an ati card on purpose if used on their board.

i dunno.

any ideas?
 
its very very slight, maybe 1% difference, but it is there. Although it might depend on the chipset, I am basing my opinion off of the newest ones, NForce4 vs Radeon Xpress 200, there AT shows that there is slight advantage to having same brand of vid-chipset, but it is very slight.
 
It's not like they go out and cripple the other brand's performance, but each company definitely chooses to primarily optimize performance on their platform. This is especialy true for the nForce4, and nvidia has stated this plainly, although I'm not sure about Radeon XPress or nforce3, I haven't seen anything in the benchmarks leading me to believe there is a substantial difference in the latter 2 chipsets. Don't think of it as a negative. nVidia and ATI platforms will run any video card just as well as, say, a third party platform like VIA or SIS, but if you plug in a Geforce 6 series card into an nforce4, it will run a bit faster due to all the testing nvidia did with the card and mobo together to optimize for best performance. As far as I know, it's only nvidia's 6 series that's optimized for nforce4, so it's not some vast conspiracy. It's just like HL2 benchmarks; sure, ATI beats nvidia in many benchmarks, due to its working with Valve, but that doesn't mean that Valve crippled performance on nvidia hardware, in fact, geforce 6 hardware can chug through HL2 like butter in many cases.

Anyways, you'll be fine whatever you choose in terms of platform/GPU pairing. As for that 9800 Pro, though, you may want to rethink that purchase, in light of the new AGP 6600GT. This thing makes mincemeat out of the 9800 Pro and even the XT! Here's the review...

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2277

As soon as prices go down to $200 levels, which should be pretty damn soon, there will be practically no reason to go with the 9800 Pro. Also, are you upgrading or starting from scratch? Cause if you're not already committed to a platform, I'd look into the new nforce4. It's got great performance, a great feature set, and several mobo makers have announced products, with retail availability expected before month's end. 6600GT PCIe cards are also easy to find, many for under $180.
 
128mb... also it is optimized for Nforce chipset. SO MAYBE 5% in some cases. Nothing big. Just get the card and dont worry.

-Kevin
 
THERE is very definitly a differance nvidia is always pulling crap like that. ATI'S chipset works great with all cards same goes for SLI if you use nvidia's you have to use nvidia's cards . ATI's SLI well allow the use of nvidia's card now thats character. nvidia's SLI well be First to market but keep in mind that it was ATI who workrd very hard to bring PCI- E to the market . SO I am betting that ATI'S SLI is going to be the better solution I can wait.
 
P-U-N-C-T-U-A-T-I-O-N!!

I am very interested in how you know what ATI is going to call "SLI" and also how it is going to work with multiple chips. Go ahead, give some proof.

Last time i checked EVERYONE worked hard to bring PCI-E to the market.

STFU Troll!!

-Kevin
 
Originally posted by: Zinn2b
THERE is very definitly a differance nvidia is always pulling crap like that. ATI'S chipset works great with all cards same goes for SLI if you use nvidia's you have to use nvidia's cards . ATI's SLI well allow the use of nvidia's card now thats character. nvidia's SLI well be First to market but keep in mind that it was ATI who workrd very hard to bring PCI- E to the market . SO I am betting that ATI'S SLI is going to be the better solution I can wait.

ATi doesnt have an SLI solution.

How can an NVIDIA proprietary feature thats built into the cards be expected to work on anything but NVIDIA cards?
 
I'm using a 9700 Pro with an nForce 2 400, and I get stellar benchmark scores, and my games run great. I highly doubt that nVidia and ATI "cripple" the competitor's cards, because then people wouldn't buy motherboards with their chipsets 😉 Although it wouldn't suprise me that ATI and nVidia optomize their chipsets to run better with their own cards. But they certainly don't make competitor's cards run worse, I guess that's what i'm trying to say.
 
Originally posted by: Acanthus
Originally posted by: Zinn2b
THERE is very definitly a differance nvidia is always pulling crap like that. ATI'S chipset works great with all cards same goes for SLI if you use nvidia's you have to use nvidia's cards . ATI's SLI well allow the use of nvidia's card now thats character. nvidia's SLI well be First to market but keep in mind that it was ATI who workrd very hard to bring PCI- E to the market . SO I am betting that ATI'S SLI is going to be the better solution I can wait.

ATi doesnt have an SLI solution.

How can an NVIDIA proprietary feature thats built into the cards be expected to work on anything but NVIDIA cards?


If we are going to get nitpicky, it was 3dfx proprietary, but you are correct because Nvidia bought out 3dfx
 
Originally posted by: SXMP
Originally posted by: Acanthus
Originally posted by: Zinn2b
THERE is very definitly a differance nvidia is always pulling crap like that. ATI'S chipset works great with all cards same goes for SLI if you use nvidia's you have to use nvidia's cards . ATI's SLI well allow the use of nvidia's card now thats character. nvidia's SLI well be First to market but keep in mind that it was ATI who workrd very hard to bring PCI- E to the market . SO I am betting that ATI'S SLI is going to be the better solution I can wait.

ATi doesnt have an SLI solution.

How can an NVIDIA proprietary feature thats built into the cards be expected to work on anything but NVIDIA cards?


If we are going to get nitpicky, it was 3dfx proprietary, but you are correct because Nvidia bought out 3dfx

If you wanna get nitpicky, its an nvidia proprietary solution and only has intials in common with the 3dfx tech.
 
Originally posted by: SneakyStuff
I'm using a 9700 Pro with an nForce 2 400, and I get stellar benchmark scores, and my games run great. I highly doubt that nVidia and ATI "cripple" the competitor's cards, because then people wouldn't buy motherboards with their chipsets 😉 Although it wouldn't suprise me that ATI and nVidia optomize their chipsets to run better with their own cards. But they certainly don't make competitor's cards run worse, I guess that's what i'm trying to say.
I'm using an X800 Pro on an NF3-250Gb and I get stellar results as well. I'm very pleased with the combination. (I had the same experience with NF2 and a 9800 Pro)

 
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