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NFL reverses policy on player protests

Meghan54

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I really don't think it was his death that changed the official NFL policy. It was much more likely the video many of the black players created demanding changes in NFL policy, which included an apology for the NFL stance 4 years ago.

Seems the NFL blinked and gave into the demands the black players were making.



The players released the video (produced with a higher ranking member of the NFL media team, btw) and within an hour or so later, Goodell was making his statement linked in the OP.

About damned time, btw. The NFL screwed the pooch with Kap....now maybe the NFL and Goodell can resist Trump's vindictiveness that will inevitably rain down upon it/them.
 
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SmCaudata

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It also poetically had to do with an NFL official saying that Kap really was effectively pushed out.

I'm a big football fan but I'm not watching this year unless they do more. I don't know exactly what, but saying you were wrong 4 years ago isn't enough.
 

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Media in the hands of the 1% can brainwash millions of people, but with the invention of social media created in the pursuit of wealth, the nobodies of the world have acquired a viral voice that can say fuck you back. Now the empty bellied misery of the poor can scream, “I can’t breathe.” and be heard through the fingers in our ears. It Just may change everything.
 

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NFL is a business which is only motivated by profits. Back when Kap was protesting they (Teams) were worried about losing season ticket holders. Now that this issue is more mainstream and a majority agree with BLM movement NFL changes there tune as they see this will have an affect on there bottom line in the future.
 

SmCaudata

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NFL is a business which is only motivated by profits. Back when Kap was protesting they (Teams) were worried about losing season ticket holders. Now that this issue is more mainstream and a majority agree with BLM movement NFL changes there tune as they see this will have an affect on there bottom line in the future.
Exactly. I like to support businesses that do the right thing even if it means less than maximum profits. If the NFL supported the kneeling players it would have still made money hand over fist. Any lost ticket holders would have easily been replaced.
 
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Greenman

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NFL is a business which is only motivated by profits. Back when Kap was protesting they (Teams) were worried about losing season ticket holders. Now that this issue is more mainstream and a majority agree with BLM movement NFL changes there tune as they see this will have an affect on there bottom line in the future.
This is spot on. What the NFL cares about is revenue, they're going go whichever way the wind is blowing.
 

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This is spot on. What the NFL cares about is revenue, they're going go whichever way the wind is blowing.

The problem, of course, is that this also put them on the wrong side of history for years, and cost at least one star player his career (for a while, at least).
 

Greenman

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The problem, of course, is that this also put them on the wrong side of history for years, and cost at least one star player his career (for a while, at least).
And they made billions doing it.
I don't follow the sport because I'm to cynical to appreciate it. It also makes me crazy to hear fans talk about games and use the term "we". There ain't no "we" unless you were on the field. So I don't really care what they do, but it's important to understand that the're concern about social justice is measured in dollars.
 
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trenchfoot

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Waiting for Trump tweet tornado on this, or maybe he's too busy backtracking on his many other weird goofy word and deeds to notice.
 

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And they made billions doing it.
I don't follow the sport because I'm to cynical to appreciate it. It also makes me crazy to hear fans talk about games and use the term "we". There ain't no "we" unless you were on the field. So I don't really care what they do, but it's important to understand that the're concern about social justice is measured in dollars.
Wanted to express my concurrence with your jaundiced view of sports, mild in comparison though yours may be.
 

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Now let Kap play again. (When it's safe to do so, of course)
Create a new role in the organization to manage how they respond to social issues and hire him to lead it. Give him a fact contract and real power. It is the least they can do and would be a real sign of organizational change.
 

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So...they'll be letting Kaep back in, right?
I guess some team will pay a 3rd string QB starter money. This is just another example of rich, white people paying for their "white privilege". When Al Gore and his ilk came up with carbon credits so they could profit, it's the same. People now are buying "white privilege" offset credits.
 

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So now that the misinformation about players kneeling has been cleared up. If you insist on pushing the BS about disrespecting the flag, you are no longer unwittingly pushing a resist agenda. You are a resist.
 

HomerJS

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I guess some team will pay a 3rd string QB starter money. This is just another example of rich, white people paying for their "white privilege". When Al Gore and his ilk came up with carbon credits so they could profit, it's the same. People now are buying "white privilege" offset credits.
I have news for you Skippy, they had white privilege before playing football. Know what white privilege is?

It allowed Amy Cooper to make up a complete lie threatening to call the police by saying scary black man is trying to kill me. She attempted to use Christian Cooper's blackness against him which could have put his life in danger.

There's your fucking white privilege, asshole.
 

Fenixgoon

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I have news for you Skippy, they had white privilege before playing football. Know what white privilege is?

It allowed Amy Cooper to make up a complete lie threatening to call the police by saying scary black man is trying to kill me. She attempted to use Christian Cooper's blackness against him which could have put his life in danger.

There's your fucking white privilege, asshole.

totally waiting for brandonbull to explain to you how that's not actually the definition of white privilege.....

(i would put some laughing emotes but really it's just sad that he can't recognize it)
 
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Good on those players. I was impressed by Joe Burrow speaking out (like two weeks back?). I'm glad to see players using their position to speak out. Jordan putting $100million where his mouth is (I'd like to see him maybe reconcile some of the stuff from the playing days that was more evident than ever in Last Dance - how powerful would it be to see the entire teams of the Celtics, Pistons, Bulls, etc marching together to Congress to demand action?).

And you know what? Good on Goodell, even if he might have been slightly pushed to it, but he pretty quickly and decisively spoke out in an unambiguous way. I'm not even sure if the owners would have had time to give him the greenlight, so to me that says he put his own ass on the line, at least somewhat, as its been known he answers to the owners. Perhaps Goodell has made enough money that he doesn't care if he has repercussions for it or gets scapegoated should the NFL. Perhaps he simply realized that he's a lightning rod for everyone with regards to their feelings about the NFL anyway, so he might as well try and do some good with it. Perhaps it was Nixonian and he did it because he thought it was inevitable and thought it better that he get on board and get some credit for it. I don't know, but good that he is. Which perhaps owners have been more clear about how they'll be going forward. I mean, its like people forgot fucking Jerr-uh kneeled, arms locked with his players. More of that, NFL.

So...they'll be letting Kaep back in, right?

Considering you spent years arguing he wasn't in the league because he sucked as a player...

I gotta praise Alex Smith for continuing to speak out about that. Multiple occasions, he's said explicitly that Kaepernick should be in the league. He was saying it like a month ago (before all of these protests). Maybe he can be the bridge to help that situation. I'd love to see NFL QBs get together yearly, talk football but also not football. I think it could've helped bridge the racial divide that was there (but has been eroded because of the play of black QBs), as well as the generation gap (which also comes into play in this type of stuff - Brees comes to mind).

That's the problem with American capitalism: all bow at the altar of the almighty dollar.

Which is why dealing with income inequality is so important. It gives power back to the people and helps society function better as people are then able to speak with their money. But when small pockets of people control inordinate sizes of the wealth, it takes the power away.

In that regard, communism and capitalism are quite close. Either way, if you let a select few have the power, it leads to issues. The reason Communism kept failing is that once they got past the initial revolution they didn't have the 2nd one to deal with the group that took power after, preventing the economic power to be in the peoples' hands. Capitalism will fail just the same if we don't work to steward it better.

The NFL is full of shit. They could give two shits about BLM. Its all money.

You know what, that's fine, as it keeps companies honest, if you do shitty things then people shouldn't support your business. Which is why I haven't directly spent a dime on the NFL in over a decade. There's been a lot of shitty behavior that's come out (head trauma and overall player health, cheating by teams, bounty shit, player misconduct, owners with racist beliefs, getting tax money for ever more expensive and extravagant stadiums while threatening to move teams, etc). Because of public sentiment things are starting to change. The NFL is covering more of the costs of their stadiums - I think the Rams/Chargers one is being almost entirely funded by the teams and league although I'm sure they got some special deals (either for the land or taxes). They're taking player safety more seriously (even in spite of the complaints about it hurting the game/causing issues). Now, they're taking issues important to players more seriously. And you know what? They can do all of that while still showing appreciation for military service, for talking about societal issues like cancer awareness, and now police treatment of black people.
 

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Considering you spent years arguing he wasn't in the league because he sucked as a player...

I gotta praise Alex Smith for continuing to speak out about that. Multiple occasions, he's said explicitly that Kaepernick should be in the league. He was saying it like a month ago (before all of these protests). Maybe he can be the bridge to help that situation. I'd love to see NFL QBs get together yearly, talk football but also not football. I think it could've helped bridge the racial divide that was there (but has been eroded because of the play of black QBs), as well as the generation gap (which also comes into play in this type of stuff - Brees comes to mind).

:D

I'm certainly not a Kaep fan as far as his skills on the field go, and yes: I've made that plain many, many times.

BUT, I also said, many many times, that there is no way the league, as it is, wouldn't value him as a 2nd or 3rd string option. The guy has more than enough tools to take a roster spot--at least he did in his prime, assuming that has past. Despite everything I disliked about him as a starting QB, I always said that he earned a spot on most rosters in the NFL from raw talent alone, and that he got a raw deal that had nothing to do with his skill.

and yes, the NFL is a business. They should have just come out and said why they blackballed the dude rather than make up some fucking bullshit.
 
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Kaepernick is now a prominent civil rights leader and a national hero. He has transcended football and changed the country. I feel like for him to now go back to being an NFL player would be a serious downgrade. Then the conversation becomes about his athletic ability, which is really irrelevant now. There is also the risk of brain injury and early death, which I don't think he should take.
He has accomplished more in the NFL than other players can ever dream of. He literally brought the league to its knees on civil rights.
 
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