Prolly the most dangerous team that slips under the radar into the playoffs. Of course, ALL (yes, ALLL) of it depends on harrington. and Ilmater, its just 2 games yet, with 1 terrible game. And, they are Leading their division with 1-1. Just have to wait and see how it turns out. But saying Harrington's career's has been busted already... a lil too far fetched. he can go to other teams and who knows what can happen.
MrChad
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I dunno. The deck is really stacked in Harrington's favor ... nice set of core receivers, decent running back. I'm not sure about how good his offensive line is (I don't follow the Lions), but regardless ... if he doesn't turn this season around quick and start living up to his potential, the Lions need to start QB shopping.
Ryan Leaf -- oh wait
Pennington -- I'll agree on this one
Favre -- he will not stick around for another rebuild of that team
Harrison -- well not over, but certainly on a huge downside after this year
Harrington -- If he doesn't make the playoffs this year, he's done
Pennington -- I'll agree on this one
Favre -- he will not stick around for another rebuild of that team
Harrison -- well not over, but certainly on a huge downside after this year
Harrington -- If he doesn't make the playoffs this year, he's done
Yreka
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Edit, ment to quote vrbaba's post not MrChad
Don't get me wrong, I am a Lions and an Oregon fan. I have also watched every Lions game since 98 and most since 88 *what a painful existance*
Not all of it is Joeys fault, but alot of it is. He could get better protection, but an NFL QB needs to be able to make plays period.. There are many QBs doing much more with much less.
I want Joey to succeed more than anyone *see above*, but the doubts the rest of the world have had about him are starting to creep in.
The Greenbay game should not count as a notch on his belt. The pack basically beat themselves. The few scoring drives we had were moved along by the GB D giving us first downs on ticky tack 3rd + long situations. Any decent team would have beaten them 40-6.
I am giving him the rest of the year before I call for his head, but lets just say I wouldnt wager money on him pulling it out.
As for Detroit giving up on QB's too soon, WHAT ? Who went on to have a successful carrer after leaving Detroit ?
Peete ?
Ware ?
Mitchell ? - was meh, but no means a winning qb
Kramer?
Batch ?
If anything our program exists to give 2 or 3rd team QB's some much needed NFL experience. That way when they go to a good team, it will be a pleasant surprise for them on the bench.
The problem with the Lions isnt the amount of talent on the team, it is how its being used.
Wether Joey ends up being a talent or not remains to be seen. Magic 8ball says "Don't Count on it."
Then again, I am a bitter ass fan who is tired of losing so I am not exactly unbiased
Don't get me wrong, I am a Lions and an Oregon fan. I have also watched every Lions game since 98 and most since 88 *what a painful existance*
Not all of it is Joeys fault, but alot of it is. He could get better protection, but an NFL QB needs to be able to make plays period.. There are many QBs doing much more with much less.
I want Joey to succeed more than anyone *see above*, but the doubts the rest of the world have had about him are starting to creep in.
The Greenbay game should not count as a notch on his belt. The pack basically beat themselves. The few scoring drives we had were moved along by the GB D giving us first downs on ticky tack 3rd + long situations. Any decent team would have beaten them 40-6.
I am giving him the rest of the year before I call for his head, but lets just say I wouldnt wager money on him pulling it out.
As for Detroit giving up on QB's too soon, WHAT ? Who went on to have a successful carrer after leaving Detroit ?
Peete ?
Ware ?
Mitchell ? - was meh, but no means a winning qb
Kramer?
Batch ?
If anything our program exists to give 2 or 3rd team QB's some much needed NFL experience. That way when they go to a good team, it will be a pleasant surprise for them on the bench.
The problem with the Lions isnt the amount of talent on the team, it is how its being used.
Wether Joey ends up being a talent or not remains to be seen. Magic 8ball says "Don't Count on it."
Then again, I am a bitter ass fan who is tired of losing so I am not exactly unbiased
Originally posted by: Yreka
Edit, ment to quote vrbaba's post not MrChad
Don't get me wrong, I am a Lions and an Oregon fan. I have also watched every Lions game since 98 and most since 88 *what a painful existance*
Not all of it is Joeys fault, but alot of it is. He could get better protection, but an NFL QB needs to be able to make plays period.. There are many QBs doing much more with much less.
I want Joey to succeed more than anyone *see above*, but the doubts the rest of the world have had about him are starting to creep in.
The Greenbay game should not count as a notch on his belt. The pack basically beat themselves. The few scoring drives we had were moved along by the GB D giving us first downs on ticky tack 3rd + long situations. Any decent team would have beaten them 40-6.
I am giving him the rest of the year before I call for his head, but lets just say I wouldnt wager money on him pulling it out.
As for Detroit giving up on QB's too soon, WHAT ? Who went on to have a successful carrer after leaving Detroit ?
Peete ?
Ware ?
Mitchell ? - was meh, but no means a winning qb
Kramer?
Batch ?
If anything our program exists to give 2 or 3rd team QB's some much needed NFL experience. That way when they go to a good team, it will be a pleasant surprise for them on the bench.
The problem with the Lions isnt the amount of talent on the team, it is how its being used.
Wether Joey ends up being a talent or not remains to be seen. Magic 8ball says "Don't Count on it."
Then again, I am a bitter ass fan who is tired of losing so I am not exactly unbiased
First of all I am a Lions fan, have been one since I realized there was football some 14 years ago. I still get goosebumps when I think about Barry Sanders...
The Lions today are no different than the lions of the past... minus Barry Sanders... remember the days of Brett Perriman Herman Moore and Chris Spielman(my favorite LB of all time)? The Lions always had amazing weapons at WR, they just never had the stability at QB. If you ask me I would say Scott Mitchell was the best QB they had during the 90s... and he really wasn't that good... Joey Harrington is without a doubt in my mind the most talented QB they've had in more than 2 decades. He has the potential to be a solid QB... no he's not Peyton Manning... but how many Peyton Manning class QBs are there? not many.
-Max
yup, maddogchen got it right.. rattay is good.. not great.. won't take anyone to the bowl... but paying $24mil for a qb that isn't gonna play for 2 seasons? yah, no way.. he's outta here by the end of the season if not earlier.. he won't take a backup role with the 49ers, so either he'll be traded (unlikely cause i doubt anyone wants him for more than a #2) or he'll be released
i'm a 49er fan.. been so all my life, and will be for the rest of it.. i do like rattay.. he's a pretty decent qb when get gets some time, and has someone to throw to.. he's made some really good passes to lloyd and battle.. but they just can't get the seperation..
it all starts with the o-line.. theyr'e banged up, and so we can't get any running game going.. last week both gore and barlow did well.. i think something like 5 and 6.4 yards per attempt respectively.. they just didn't get a lot of touches..
as for the draft, the 49ers got a #1 at a bad time.. no true #1 like leinert (is he the best player this year hands down???)... braylon edwards hasn't done sh!t this year.. no one wanted to trade up.. they were in a tough position, and so they had to take the best player.. and that was smith.. i think he'll do well next season or the one after
SearchMaster
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I don't know how well he did this past Sunday, but the coaches and columnists were roundly praising the job Barron did in relief in game 2. He's an amazing athlete and I think he will be a very good one in time.
Yreka
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Ahh yes, the good ol days, I remember them well. I still throw in that Dallas playoff game everytime we are getting blown out. The tape is getting pretty worn now, I should probably x-fer it to DVD.
The minus Barry Sanders part is a pretty big difference. Barry was the most feared player in the NFL at the time. The opposing Defense would plan their whole game around him. This took quite a bit of pressure off of the passing game, and let mediocre talents like Mitchell appear to be competent. Joey?s lions do not have that luxury.
As for Joey being the most talented we have had, you may be right there. The problem is when you are talking about the Lions that isn?t saying much. The quality bar hasn?t been set very high.
We do need to get Joey a little more help to know what he has for sure. He does throw pretty well when he has protection and makes the correct read. Truth be told, we have bigger problems than the QB right now. That being said, an NFL QB needs to be able to perform under a little pressure, its pretty much a requirement. Joey sh!ts the bed everytime someone so much as brushes him. He gets flustered and throws it 10ft over the receivers head, to the ground at their feet, or to the other team.
I know it isn?t an unreasonable request from your QB. There are pleanty of other QB?s doing more with less.
If he does go on to a new team and succeed he will be bucking a pretty big trend. That black cloud that hangs over Ford Field sticks to QB?s pretty well, regardless of how well they played in collage.
There is only one Payton, but there are a couple of Palmers, and more than a handful of Hasslebecks. Right now we don?t even have a Bledsoe.
Lyfer
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My words exactly. The games where his O-Line and running game gets going he looks as good as any starter in the NFL. They should'a beefed up a the O-line and get some more experienced WR. Alexis smith was a huge waste and was a system qb of Urban Meyer option offense (doesn't work in the NFL).
I still get genuinely upset when I remember that I won't get to see #20 moving on the field like noone ever has or will. I almost quit watching football alltogether when he retired.
I understand the frustration with Harrington... he's looked like a green diapered baby for the last 3 years. But I really believe that he has it in there to be a good QB. This year is the year of truth for him, if he doesnt produce this year, then he really is toast. But I'm holding onto hope that he'll prove himself, and the Lions can finally shake of it's what... 50 year slump, and move into the elite class of the NFL.
-Max
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