NF3 250Gb boards w/o 1394

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Tostada

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It seems really strange to me that so many good NF3 250Gb boards don't have 1394. I really like the $99 Epox board, but no 1394. The Soltek 250Gb board is a great deal -- $99 for a board with 4X SATA, Promise controller, NV GBLAN, and a free round ATA cable, but no 1394. The cheaper version of the K8N Neo Platinum looks identical for $109 instead of $126, except that it lacks 1394.

I don't see why this is where they would choose to save a buck. I want 1394, and I don't want to have to take up a PCI slot to get it. I really wish they'd start leaving off LPT and serial ports if they want to save a tiny bit of money. Not many people are going to be using a printer or an external modem from 1995 on their A64 system.

It doesn't really make any sense that the 250Gb is a new top-of-the-line chipset that has GBLAN [partially] integrated, but no 1394.

I guess the lack of 1394 is a nice excuse to get an Audigy, but the cheap Audigys don't have 1394. I don't see myself buying an $80 Audigy 2 ZS to get 1394, either, when Newegg has a 4-port 1394 adapter for $18.25. Besides, the idea of using a sound card for my firewire connection seems about as lame as plugging a CDROM into a soundcard. I guess I'd be better off just getting the Neo Platinum, but I think that board's overrated if you see how many people complain about it being quirky and having a bad layout.

Just thinking out loud here, really.
 
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ponyo

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I agree. Firewire should be standard on all motherboard. I had to move my MP3 to my NF7-S computer because my Chaintech NF3 doesn't have firewire to connect my iPod. Such a hassle.
 
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Tostada

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Originally posted by: dennisjai215
wrong place to rant
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Thanks for the useless reply. You don't look like a moderator to me. Give me a break.

This is the hardware forum. It would be nice just to hear other people's opinions. Do people just not need firewire yet? Those boards are really popular. Do most people just get an Audigy?

Your comments are the only thing that are in the wrong place.
 
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Macro2

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RE:"I agree. Firewire should be standardized on all boards. Hell even Macs have em!"

Naw, nothing gets standardized unless Intel came up with it...<G>
Intel came up with AGP, USB 2.0, ATX...

Actually, Apple stupidity hurt the adoption of firewire.
 
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Originally posted by: deathkoba
I agree. Firewire should be standardized on all boards. Hell even Macs have em!
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I hope Macs have them as Apple invented Firewire! Macs had firewire standard long before Wintels had it.
 
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Tostada

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Anyway, is the MSI Neo Platinum the cheapest thing that has 1394 onboard? Is that pretty much what everybody is getting who wants a 250Gb with 1394?

If you look at NewEgg, it says that the cheaper MSI 250Gb board has 1394, but MSI's site doesn't mention it, so I'm assuming that's a misprint on NewEgg.
 
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Originally posted by: Naustica
Originally posted by: deathkoba
I agree. Firewire should be standardized on all boards. Hell even Macs have em!
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I hope Macs have them as Apple invented Firewire! Macs had firewire standard long before Wintels had it.
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Eh...well...PC compatible firewire cards were out around the same time as the Macs had them built in/standardized...so......

you are WRONG!!!


READ IT AND WEEP! you..YOU ....CRAZY -=MAD MAC'ER=-!!!!!!!

























just playin around.
:p
 
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Macro2

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RE:"just playin around."

I hope so because that was really stooopid! lol
 
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Originally posted by: Naustica
I agree. Firewire should be standard on all motherboard. I had to move my MP3 to my NF7-S computer because my Chaintech NF3 doesn't have firewire to connect my iPod. Such a hassle.
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Agreed, especially since you need on-board Firewire to make use of the uber-handy front panel Firewire connectors on most cases; add-in cards don't have support for that.
 
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Another vote for "all mobos should have IEEE 1394" :)
 
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DerwenArtos12

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my nforce 2 has three onboard firewire headers, wait for the DFI 939 boards. I love DFI, great features, plus it'll de-horse the Neo2 platinu.
 
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manko

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I feel the same way about the IBM Thinkpad T4x series lack of firewire. USB2 just doesn't cut it. And if I'm paying that much for a portable machine, I don't want to have a PC Card sticking out the side just because they can't integrate a common port.
 
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WebDude

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[Sorta related question]: Is there something different about the MAC firewire interface? I ask this question because I recently purchased the Canon i9900 printer, which has both a USB2 and a firewire port in the back. I was going to try the firewire port off my PC, but then I read the fine print: "FireWire compatible with Mac OS only. USB Interface supports both Mac and Windows OS." link Or is it just that Canon didn't develop any windows firewire drivers for the printer? Kinda confused about this.
 
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Tostada

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WebDude: I think it's more an issue of Windows not knowing how to handle Firewire printers yet.
 
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KenSr

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What is so great about 1394?
I thought USB was faster and more compatable with most peripherals.
 
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I got a firewire card in my FAR Pinnacle Studio a year ago. What else are you going to use your PCI slots for? Lan? Nope. Audio? Nope. Video? Nope.

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Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
I got a firewire card in my FAR Pinnacle Studio a year ago. What else are you going to use your PCI slots for? Lan? Nope. Audio? Nope. Video? Nope.

:roll:
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It's about convenience. If motherboards didn't come with onboard USB ports and you had to add PCI card to add that function, would you feel the same way?

You can easily use up most PCI slots. Add wireless PCI, audio card, TV tuner card, and 2 slot AGP card and you end up with 1 slot free. Add a disk controller card and you end up with zero. Having to pay $15-20 to add PCI card for something that could easily be intergrated for pennies is what we're complaining about. We shouldn't have to use separate PCI slot for something that should be intergrated.
 
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mrwxyz

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Originally posted by: Naustica
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
I got a firewire card in my FAR Pinnacle Studio a year ago. What else are you going to use your PCI slots for? Lan? Nope. Audio? Nope. Video? Nope.

:roll:
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It's about convenience. If motherboards didn't come with onboard USB ports and you had to add PCI card to add that function, would you feel the same way?

You can easily use up most PCI slots. Add wireless PCI, audio card, TV tuner card, and 2 slot AGP card and you end up with 1 slot free. Add a disk controller card and you end up with zero. Having to pay $15-20 to add PCI card for something that could easily be intergrated for pennies is what we're complaining about. We shouldn't have to use separate PCI slot for something that should be intergrated.
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agreed. id much rather have an integrated solution anyday
 
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LocutusX

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I'd also like to know what sort of products are FireWire-only, OR in the event that they're both USB2.0 and FireWire-compatible, what sort of tangible improvement one gets by using the FireWire interface as opposed to USB2.0.
 
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Dman877

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I agree with the original poster, they should drop legacy crap like parallel and serial ports. Don't need ps2 ports anymore either. Just have USB and firewirse ports (p[lus audio and LAN, etc). Would save some space and money.
 
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Originally posted by: LocutusX
I'd also like to know what sort of products are FireWire-only, OR in the event that they're both USB2.0 and FireWire-compatible, what sort of tangible improvement one gets by using the FireWire interface as opposed to USB2.0.
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In no particular order:

  • Capible of providing more power via its connection than USB(enough that a 2.5" HD can easily be powered by it)
    Faster than USB in practice
    Not "host based"; lower CPU usage
    Also means that a host isn't needed to negotiate transfer; 2 devices can do it on their own
    Has an optical standard, so a Firewire cable can be longer than a USB cable
    2 words: Daisy chain
    1 standard, no need to worry about legacy(USB 1.1) devices slowing down everything else
    Video editing already uses it, it would be nice to not have to buy a separate card to use this
 
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Macro2

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I wonder how much they save by leaving off Firewire? Apple must still be getting a royalty on it...

I've never needed firewire..but that's just me. Video cameras and external HDs seem to be the main applications..and ipods. Maybe I'm missing something...

This appears to be a main difference between a $99 Soltek and a $138 Asus A64 nforce3 Mobo.

Chaintech is off my radar screen.
 
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