Nexus 9 will come with Tegra Denver 64bit K1

[witeken]

Intel can have 3 nodes advantage, their GPU hardware and even more, their rubbish software still sucks big time :thumbsdown:

Yeah, like an 80nm SoC can somehow compete against 28nm. It can't.

The true is K1 is milles ahead of anything intel has now to offer and it will become even worst with Erista featuring Maxwell. Then Volta will be another giant step.

The true K1 will come in Q4 or so. By then, Intel will have Airmont. In mid-2015, Intel will have Gen9 graphics, which seems to be designed for mobile (name: Generation 9 Low Power" architecture).

Moreover, may I need to remind you that Intel can't even build a GPU without Nvidia patents ? They pay 600 millions dollars per year for that.
So keep your dreams of intel GPUs beating Nvidia, it won't happen in the next 5 years...

It certainly will. Probably even shorter, with Cannonlake and Gen10 in 2016.

and what about discussing with a guy who puts an intel logo as avatar

:sneaky:

 

[Homeles]

Moreover, may I need to remind you that Intel can't even build a GPU without Nvidia patents ? They pay 600 millions dollars per year for that.
So keep your dreams of intel GPUs beating Nvidia, it won't happen in the next 5 years...

That's not how cross-licensing agreements work. It's essentially a truce between the two companies to not sue each other, and it's very commonplace in the industry.

 

[Grooveriding]

nvidia is abandoning tablets & smartphones after Tegra never gaining ground

http://www.guru3d.com/news_story/nvidia_tegra_no_longer_is_an_soc_for_phones_and_tablets.html

 

[xpea]

nvidia is abandoning tablets & smartphones after Tegra never gaining ground

http://www.guru3d.com/news_story/nvidia_tegra_no_longer_is_an_soc_for_phones_and_tablets.html

No it's not like that. Nvidia said that they will stop making mid range smartphone chips as they are no profit in this business. JHH said specifically that T4i was a failure and they will focus in high-end market. in other words, it won't be any T5i but we will see Erista, Parker and so on in gaming devices, high-end tablets and automotive market.
exact quote:

JHH: I think that the phone marketplace has commoditized really, really fast. It is not our strategy to go after commodity phones. It is not our strategy to go after mainstream devices. But our strategy is to focus on performance-oriented, visual computing-oriented, gaming-oriented devices where we can add a lot of value.

 

[Rakehellion]

Huge design win (if true) for Nvidia :

Considering Nvidia is quitting the mobile business, I'd say they already lost.

 

[Homeles]

Considering Nvidia is quitting the mobile business, I'd say they already lost.

They're leaving the smartphone business, not the tablet business.

 

[toyota]

They're leaving the smartphone business, not the tablet business.

Nvidia gives up on the mainstream smartphone and tablet market

http://vr-zone.com/articles/nvidia-gives-mainstream-smartphone-tablet-market/79253.html

 

[Homeles]

Nvidia gives up on the mainstream smartphone and tablet market

http://vr-zone.com/articles/nvidia-gives-mainstream-smartphone-tablet-market/79253.html

Yes, journalists are equally clueless.

 

[AtenRa]

As far as I understand it, they are not pursuing the entry 7-8" tablets any more. That segment has become non profitable for high-performance more expensive SoCs. It is the same reason AMD also targeting only 11.6" and above.

 

[Homeles]

As far as I understand it, they are not pursuing the entry 7-8" tablets any more. That segment has become non profitable for high-performance more expensive SoCs. It is the same reason AMD also targeting only 11.6" and above.

Right.

 

[witeken]

Aren't they just out of the low-end and mid-end markets? If someone wants to make a high performance phone or 7-8" tablet, they could take a Tegra K1.

 

[AtenRa]

Aren't they just out of the low-end and mid-end markets? If someone wants to make a high performance phone or 7-8" tablet, they could take a Tegra K1.

JHH
The mainstream phone market commoditized so fast that really the…differentiators were price. And you can see the pressure that MediaTek is putting on Qualcomm, and you can see the pressure that MediaTek is putting on Marvell and Broadcom and all of these companies,” Huang told Cnet’s Shara Tibken. “We learned a lot in the process. But there are many things in our company that didn’t pan out. That’s OK. If you want to be an innovative company, you have to fail.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commoditization

In business literature, commoditization is defined as the process by which goods that have economic value and are distinguishable in terms of attributes (uniqueness or brand) end up becoming simple commodities in the eyes of the market or consumers. It is the movement of a market from differentiated to undifferentiated price competition and from monopolistic to perfect competition.

We really dont need anything else to really understand whats going on in the mainstream tablet segment. Intel will have a really tough time to continue in that market as well. Rockchip anyone ??

 

[toyota]

I cant believe the Nexus 9 will come with just 16gb standard yet again. that is freaking ridiculous at this point as 32gb is even standard with most of the popular phones. plus the Nexus line has never allowed SD cards which makes the choice for 16gb even more asinine for brand new tablet. 32gb should be the VERY minimum a device like this should have. and without an SD card that will even be limiting for many users.

 

[xpea]

Aren't they just out of the low-end and mid-end markets? If someone wants to make a high performance phone or 7-8" tablet, they could take a Tegra K1.

a new Tegra Note 8 is on the way (reference P1761W or ST8), SHIELD2 is also coming soon (booth already passed FCC)
sources:
http://www.ubergizmo.com/2014/06/nvidia-p1761w-tablet-appears-on-fcc/
http://www.slashgear.com/nvidia-device-hits-fcc-likely-the-shield-2-05332221/

 

[MarkLuvsCS]

The actual source material.

nvidia is abandoning tablets & smartphones after Tegra never gaining ground

http://www.guru3d.com/news_story/nvidia_tegra_no_longer_is_an_soc_for_phones_and_tablets.html

Considering Nvidia is quitting the mobile business, I'd say they already lost.

FALSE:
Q: Some reports say Nvidia isn't targeting smartphones and tablets with Tegra anymore. Has your strategy shifted?

"...We're going to focus on car computers where visual computing and supercomputing technology is really important to the future of cars. And then we're going to focus our energy on segments of mobile computing, segments of phones and tablets where computer graphics are really important." -JHH

As far as I understand it, they are not pursuing the entry 7-8" tablets any more. That segment has become non profitable for high-performance more expensive SoCs. It is the same reason AMD also targeting only 11.6" and above.

FALSE:
"A gaming-specific device certainly is one example. [Also] set-top boxes that are designed for gaming, tablets where they would like to highlight gaming. Tablets where instead of just highlighting the design, they'd also like to highlight the performance.

That goes hand in hand with gaming processors as performance. If you want to build the Porsche of tablets or phones, we're a fabulous partner for that. That's why companies like Xiaomi like working with us. They're reaching out to a technology-forward fan base." -JHH

"...It is not our strategy to go after commodity phones. It is not our strategy to go after mainstream devices. But our strategy is to focus on performance-oriented, visual computing-oriented, gaming-oriented devices where we can add a lot of value." -JHH

Whatever AMD wants to try to get into the market is irrelevant to NVIDIA's goals and this thread. It's quite clear NVIDIA is going to use it's expertise in a variety of areas to target high-end & more specialized devices, by leveraging their existing technologies like CUDA, unified graphics architecture, and polished software packages.

 

[witeken]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commoditization


We really dont need anything else to really understand whats going on in the mainstream tablet segment. Intel will have a really tough time to continue in that market as well. Rockchip anyone ??

There's been a price and performance war, that's sort of what happens when you have ~5 companies that want a piece of market share. But that's unsustainable, and now Intel comes in with higher performance and competitive prices.

 

[AtenRa]

Well it seams to me that manufactures artificially handicap Tablets in order to keep the Entry Laptop segment differentiation. I believe they dont want Tablets to compete directly against Entry level Laptops.
Otherwise we could easily have an 11.6" Quad-core Windows/Android Tablet with 64GB SSDs etc at $300-400. We had $300-400 NetBooks two-three years ago, why not a $300 Quad-Core 11.6" Win 8.1 Tablet today ?? Because nobody would buy a Entry crap-top at $400-450.

 

[xpea]

There's been a price and performance war, that's sort of what happens when you have ~5 companies that want a piece of market share. But that's unsustainable, and now Intel comes in with mid range performance and giving away their stuff by contra-revenue program.

fixed :biggrin:

 

[witeken]

Moorefield is the fastest Android SoC in existence. I don't know if it has contra-revenue, I think not because Moorefield != Bay Trail which was made for high-end tablets and laptops. Even if we're talking about tablets, contra-revenue does not mean giving away for free.

 

[sontin]

As far as I understand it, they are not pursuing the entry 7-8" tablets any more. That segment has become non profitable for high-performance more expensive SoCs. It is the same reason AMD also targeting only 11.6" and above.

The MiPad is a 7,9" tablet... :\

 

[Grooveriding]

Targeting 'high-performance phones' Let's face it, that is simply PR damage control speak. I'm not even aware that such a fantasy market exists. High performance phone ? Sure, iphone 5, Galaxy 5, HTC M8 etc. All dominated by the big players. The 'high-performance' phone market already exists and is spoken for.

Obviously we can't expect to hear 'We tried and got creamed, so now it's cars and trying to get the already faltering Shield to see some success' But that is the reality.

I agree that if anyone has a chance breaking into phones in a big way, it will be Intel, and even that is no guarantee. Nvidia had no chance.

 

[AtenRa]

Whatever AMD wants to try to get into the market is irrelevant to NVIDIA's goals and this thread. It's quite clear NVIDIA is going to use it's expertise in a variety of areas to target high-end & more specialized devices, by leveraging their existing technologies like CUDA, unified graphics architecture, and polished software packages.

Exactly what AMD is doing with its APUs, GCN, Mantle, HSA, HuMA, etc etc.
They both are leveraging their GPU IPs

I have mentioned AMD because both SoCs (Mullins and K1) are high-end GPU centric and also very expensive(in relationship to other ARM SoCs). They are not meant for high volume low cost devices. I believe Intel will follow the same road soon, 14nm process is not suitable for low cost SoCs in 2015. 28nm TSMC SoFIA enyone ??

 

[AtenRa]

The MiPad is a 7,9" tablet... :\

And how much that will cost in retail ??

 

[xpea]

Moorefield is the fastest Android SoC in existence. I don't know if it has contra-revenue, I think not because Moorefield != Bay Trail which was made for high-end tablets and laptops. Even if we're talking about tablets, contra-revenue does not mean giving away for free.

Not true. intel is a bit better in cpu when app goes through dalvik but it's far far away K1 in GPU...

 

[Homeles]

Not true. intel is a bit better in cpu when app goes through dalvik but it's far far away K1 in GPU...

Obviously he's not talking about the GPU.

Intel and Nvidia are actually pretty similar in this regard. Until only recently, both companies had rather lackluster performance in the tablet space, despite their respective strengths.